Tim Stutzle vs Auston Matthews Contracts Included

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

The same Stutzle that outscored him last year as a 20 year old?

If Stutzle's best offensive season being comparable to Matthews at his worst is enough to convince you he's the better player, that's pretty flimsy to say the least

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

How do you still not see the issue with comparing ONE career season from Stutzle to a season where Matthews was playing through injury and just came off a hart, lindsay and back to back rocket?

Matthews' floor season was Stutzle's peak.

You think Stutzle peaked at 20? Lol ok

If Stutzle's best offensive season being comparable to Matthews at his worst is enough to convince you he's the better player, that's pretty flimsy to say the least

Stutzle has played 3 seasons.

 

[ricky0034]

damn Leafs fans must be super insecure about Stutzle outscoring Matthews last year if they're trying to dunk on this poll based on 2 games

 

[All Mod Cons]

damn Leafs fans must be super insecure about Stutzle outscoring Matthews last year if they're trying to dunk on this poll based on 2 games

That or tired of being trolled 24/7 on this website? We could do a poll.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

That or tired of being trolled 24/7 on this website? We could do a poll.

Who bumped this thread?

 

[Xspyrit]

Damn, this horde of Leafs fans jumping on this after the first 2 games of the season is quite hilarious

That's actually the first thing I thought (my brain auto-bumped this even if complete afterthought) when I saw that Matthews had another 3 G

lmao, you are not fooling anyone.

Are facts supposed to "fool" people?

How do you still not see the issue with comparing ONE career season from Stutzle to a season where Matthews was playing through injury and just came off a hart, lindsay and back to back rocket?

Matthews' floor season was Stutzle's peak.

How many seasons do you want to use? The kid was 20 last season

"career season" lol, you guys are really something else.

 

[BlueBaron]

Stutzle very easily. Even ignoring contracts, I'm not sure if Matthews is better than Stutzle

Then you probably aren't qualified to vote.

Typical HF...is the second best player better than the 50th? I just don't know....

 

[Miro4Norris]

Matthews has won multiple Rockets. not to mention the Ted Lindsay and Hart as well.


you can not be serious.

I know and Ovi has won like 10 rockets and 2 or 3 hart but he isn't better than Matthews either at this point. It's hilarious that you guys are explaining Matthews losing this thread with something like Leafs hate etc. Stutzle's 3rd season was better than Matthews 3rd season as well, how about that?

And this is not only about regular season awards, Matthews has shown many times that he chokes in playoffs which obviously is a big minus for him.

Sorry that your boy is losing the poll to Stutzle, unfortunately 2 hot games are not changing the result

 

[Face Of Bear]

Stutzle isn't worthy of carrying Matthews jock strap

 

[ninetyeight]

Not a Leafs or Sens fans, but are people really surprised by this backlash by leafs fans? It's not just this thread but a bunch during last season and this off season, people shitting on one of the best goal scorers in the league for "only" scoring 40 goals after he just scored 60. I hope he has another killer season and leafs fans bump all these threads. People here way overrated capspace and potential.

 

[Xspyrit]

Not a Leafs or Sens fans, but are people really surprised by this backlash by leafs fans? It's not just this thread but a bunch during last season and this off season, people shitting on one of the best goal scorers in the league for "only" scoring 40 goals after he just scored 60. I hope he has another killer season and leafs fans bump all these threads. People here way overrated capspace and potential.

I am the one who made this poll below. I was among the only 25 posters (out of 123) who voted that he could get more than 800 career goals.

How many career goals can Matthews realistically score in that scenario?

Auston Matthews turned 25 years old last week. He has scored 259 goals so far, despite covid and injuries. How much more do you think he can realistically score IF he plays another 14 years and stay relatively healthy? Let's say he plays another 1066 games, which is 13 seasons of 82 games. All...

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I still find this backlash quite hilarious/ridiculous and despite thinking great things about Matthews goal scoring prowess, I still vote Stutzle in this poll, simply because Matthews is NOT 60% better (and that's without even accounting the age's difference)

 

[hamzarocks]

Matthews looking better than I thought he would

Stutzle won't be able to compete with Matthews if hes back to a 60 goal scorer

 

[Stamkos4life]

How do you still not see the issue with comparing ONE career season from Stutzle to a season where Matthews was playing through injury and just came off a hart, lindsay and back to back rocket?

Matthews' floor season was Stutzle's peak.

A more accurate statement is stutzles 3rd season is better than matthews third or 7th.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I know and Ovi has won like 10 rockets and 2 or 3 hart but he isn't better than Matthews either at this point. It's hilarious that you guys are explaining Matthews losing this thread with something like Leafs hate etc. Stutzle's 3rd season was better than Matthews 3rd season as well, how about that?

And this is not only about regular season awards, Matthews has shown many times that he chokes in playoffs which obviously is a big minus for him.

Sorry that your boy is losing the poll to Stutzle, unfortunately 2 hot games are not changing the result

Stutzle doesn't get to the playoffs

 

[HockeyVirus]

Not a Leafs or Sens fans, but are people really surprised by this backlash by leafs fans? It's not just this thread but a bunch during last season and this off season, people shitting on one of the best goal scorers in the league for "only" scoring 40 goals after he just scored 60. I hope he has another killer season and leafs fans bump all these threads. People here way overrated capspace and potential.

Exactly. I don't think it is even Stutzle that pisses off Leaf fans it's that 5m in cap space somehow makes up the difference. Most fans accept Stutzle is the worse player outside of homers. But 5M of cap is a nothing player in todays NHL. Basically saying I take Stutzle and a middle 6 player over a guy who is a rocket threat every year he plays. This is without mentioning Stutzle is terrible defensively and Matthews is elite.

When Matthews is playing like a top player in the world as he has most of his career, it shows how ridiculous these narrative threads are and it shows how many posters don't watch the teams and players they comment on the most.

 

[Xspyrit]

Exactly. I don't think it is even Stutzle that pisses off Leaf fans it's that 5m in cap space somehow makes up the difference. Most fans accept Stutzle is the worse player outside of homers. But 5M of cap is a nothing player in todays NHL. Basically saying I take Stutzle and a middle 6 player over a guy who is a rocket threat every year he plays. This is without mentioning Stutzle is terrible defensively and Matthews is elite.

When Matthews is playing like a top player in the world as he has most of his career, it shows how ridiculous these narrative threads are and it shows how many posters don't watch the teams and players they comment on the most.

It becomes hard to argue intelligently when you read things like this. While 5 M$ could certainly badly spent, it might be the difference between being able to retain a guy like Nylander or have to settle for a guy like Domi and additional depth

That's a point that some Leafs fans simply refuse to acknowledge

And sorry but Stutzle was not "terrible" defensively last year by any means, and considering he was 20 y/o, he has not done progressing

 

[DitchMarner]

Matthews finished top two in Hart voting two seasons in a row (winning once) prior to last season. Stutzle will be a great player, but he may never reach that level.

There isn't really a good reason to believe that Matthews has regressed significantly from being the player he was in 2022.

Not that I'm comparing him to these players, but Ovechkin had a worse season in '09 than in '08 and then he played some of his best hockey the following season. McDavid wasn't as good in 2022 as in 2021 and then rebounded with a monster season.

Early indications are looking good for AM.


If someone wants to pick Stutzle based on contract, that's fine, but I think Matthews is definitely the better hockey player at this point in time.

 

[Xspyrit]

If someone wants to pick Stutzle based on contract, that's fine, but I think Matthews is definitely the better hockey player at this point in time.

Which is the point of the current poll...

If Leafs fans want to make a Matthews vs Stutzle poll WITHOUT contracts to be re-assured, then ok

 

[DitchMarner]

Which is the point of the current poll...

If Leafs fans want to make a Matthews vs Stutzle poll WITHOUT contracts to be re-assured, then ok

Fair enough, but people in here have questioned whether Matthews is the better player. I think it's fair to say he is.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Exactly. I don't think it is even Stutzle that pisses off Leaf fans it's that 5m in cap space somehow makes up the difference. Most fans accept Stutzle is the worse player outside of homers. But 5M of cap is a nothing player in todays NHL. Basically saying I take Stutzle and a middle 6 player over a guy who is a rocket threat every year he plays. This is without mentioning Stutzle is terrible defensively and Matthews is elite.

When Matthews is playing like a top player in the world as he has most of his career, it shows how ridiculous these narrative threads are and it shows how many posters don't watch the teams and players they comment on the most.

Just use Chychurn’s number since he’s a Sen at 4.6 million.

 

[Contenderorpretender]

Stutzle is 21 and has 2 seasons. Matthews is 27. How many times did you expect him to outproduce Matthews?
As for playoffs, one guy has disappointed so far and the other guy hasn’t had a chance in his first 2 years.

What is this lol Stutzle is in his 4th season. He's played 3 already and Matthews just turned 26. Those aren't facts that are difficult to get right.

 

[Silky Johnson]

Which 5 million dollar players are people taking when contracts are considered? Can I get a list?



He barely outproduced an injured Matthews (didn't outpace him)... this sounds like an argument for Matthews

Doesnt need to be a $5M player,
you could also see it as upgrading a $5 million player to a $10 million player or a $3M to an $8M and so on.

$5M is a lot. Its the difference between Mathiew Joseph and Jack Hughes for example. Of course you have to spend it wisely but it is not a small amount of cap space.

 

[Silky Johnson]

So none then, cap hit doesn't make one player better than another

Doesn't see the value impact of cap hit on players...Kyle Dubas, is this your burner account?

 

[Deadly Dogma]

things like this are unfair to Stutzle, guy is a great player but just not in the same tier. I am fairly confident if the NHL were to do a full redraft, Matthews goes top 3 or 4 and Tim around 30 ish

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

things like this are unfair to Stutzle, guy is a great player but just not in the same tier. I am fairly confident if the NHL were to do a full redraft, Matthews goes top 3 or 4 and Tim around 30 ish

Not if the re-draft includes their current contracts lol.