Player Discussion Tim Stützle - L̶W̶/C - Part V

[Micklebot]

In terms of powerplay proficiency you can drive a truck between Chabot and stutzle's skillet. I think stu's spot is safer.

As for hierarchy I'd rank them as

Stu
Norris
Tkachuk
Chabot
Debrincat
Giroux
Batherson
Pinto
Brannstrom
Joseph

I have Chabot so low because I think chychrun (or another top 4 trade) would knock him down.

I agree they can have 2 units that have the skillset of a first unit, but Stu's is on should be first.

In summer of 2023 I don't think there will be any dispute on this point.

Well, Chychrun doesn't play for us, so until he gets traded here he doesn't play into plans, and I'm not sure what about his history on Arz's PP makes you think he'd be any better an option than Chabot other than the grass always looking greener on the other side of the fence.

As for your opinion on Stützle vs Chabot's proficiency on the PP, it's largely irrelevant since they don't play the same position, the choice is more about Stützle vs Norris, Giroux, Batherson and DeBrincat. Giroux and Norris get a bit of an edge as they are both excellent at the dot, that might be enough of a consideration to tip the scales, but again, I think it will come down to chemistry, I don't really see any of the above as locks

 

[Bevans]

Well, Chychrun doesn't play for us, so until he gets traded here he doesn't play into plans, and I'm not sure what about his history on Arz's PP makes you think he'd be any better an option than Chabot other than the grass always looking greener on the other side of the fence.

As for your opinion on Stützle vs Chabot's proficiency on the PP, it's largely irrelevant since they don't play the same position, the choice is more about Stützle vs Norris, Giroux, Batherson and DeBrincat. Giroux and Norris get a bit of an edge as they are both excellent at the dot, that might be enough of a consideration to tip the scales, but again, I think it will come down to chemistry, I don't really see any of the above as locks

That's fine. In my mind the only lock is Stutzle. He is by far the most skilled PP player on the team. For that reason I just don't share the concern that the senators may not play their best player on unit 1.

I think eventually this conversation will be similar to asking whether kucherov or barkov or lindholm or matthews etc is going to be on 1st PP.

Obviously, to say it with foresight is controversial. But with hindsight I think it will go without saying that Stutzle is 1C 1PP.

Also obviously, I could be wrong about this. But until proven otherwise that's my baseline assumption.

 

[Micklebot]

That's fine. In my mind the only lock is Stutzle. He is by far the most skilled PP player on the team. For that reason I just don't share the concern that the senators may not play their best player on unit 1.

I think eventually this conversation will be similar to asking whether kucherov or barkov or lindholm or matthews etc is going to be on 1st PP.

Obviously, to say it with foresight is controversial. But with hindsight I think it will go without saying that Stutzle is 1C 1PP.

Also obviously, I could be wrong about this. But until proven otherwise that's my baseline assumption.

I think in the long run, Stützle will likely establish himself as the top PP talent on the team, but as of right now, I think it's close enough that chemistry is the deciding factor.

Also, Giroux has been an elite player on the PP for pretty much his entire career, he's probably as close as it gets to being a lock, and when you add in his faceoff prowess I really can't see him not being on the 1st unit taking draws.

 

[Sweatred]

That's fine. In my mind the only lock is Stutzle. He is by far the most skilled PP player on the team. For that reason I just don't share the concern that the senators may not play their best player on unit 1.

I think eventually this conversation will be similar to asking whether kucherov or barkov or lindholm or matthews etc is going to be on 1st PP.

Obviously, to say it with foresight is controversial. But with hindsight I think it will go without saying that Stutzle is 1C 1PP.

Also obviously, I could be wrong about this. But until proven otherwise that's my baseline assumption.

I’m curious to see how this goes - he offers a tonne of roaming creativity off that LD position that perhaps Giroux could replace but that would displace two of CAT, Norris, Bath, Brady.

 

[Bevans]

I think in the long run, Stützle will likely establish himself as the top PP talent on the team, but as of right now, I think it's close enough that chemistry is the deciding factor.

Also, Giroux has been an elite player on the PP for pretty much his entire career, he's probably as close as it gets to being a lock, and when you add in his faceoff prowess I really can't see him not being on the 1st unit taking draws.

I expect stu and giroux to have a similar relationship to norris/Tkachuk, mackinnon/landeksog, pettersson/Miller, and mcdavid/draisaitl in that Stu will be a center who doesn't take a lot of faceoffs.

Much like the rest of the centers I named, I don't think Stu's lack of faceoff taking will severely impede his ice time.

 

[Micklebot]

I expect stu and giroux to have a similar relationship to norris/Tkachuk, mackinnon/landeksog, pettersson/Miller, and mcdavid/draisaitl in that Stu will be a center who doesn't take a lot of faceoffs.

Much like the rest of the centers I named, I don't think Stu's lack of faceoff taking will severely impede his ice time.

Sure, but Giroux brings everything you want from a center on the PP, and he's been elite on it for his entire career. He stepped onto a presidents trophy winning Florida team and instantly was their top PP producer to finish off the reg season and in the playoffs. Stützle is not a sure thing over Giroux. Norris was Ottawa's top threat on the PP all year, even if you just look at the final 35 games where Stu was a pt/g Norris had a better pts/60 and pts/gp. Idk, I just don't see Stu as a lock, I figure he could start the year as sort of an understudy to Giroux.

 

[Sun God Nika]

Having that pace when Ottawa was well out of playoff contention doesn't mean much. Now if he maintains that pace over the course of the season, and Ottawa is competitive, then I'll be impressed.

Lol any time a guy goes point per game for decent stretch under 20 it means something

 

[Ice-Tray]

If Stu and Cat click it would be easy to see the PP’s being built around a passer and trigger man combo.

Stu-cat and Norris-Gman

You have down low guys in Bath and Brady, and you have D in Chabot, and likely Sanderson as soon as DJ feels he’s comfortable.

Then we’ll see who from the bottom 6 can play a position. I suspect we’ll see Pinto perhaps as the low man for Brady in front of the net, and maybe Joseph as the net front on a line with Bath down low for that bumper play they love..

Or they may simply load up a PP1.

 

[Micklebot]

If Stu and Cat click it would be easy to see the PP’s being built around a passer and trigger man combo.

Stu-cat and Norris-Gman

You have down low guys in Bath and Brady, and you have D in Chabot, and likely Sanderson as soon as DJ feels he’s comfortable.

Then we’ll see who from the bottom 6 can play a position.

Or they may simply load up a PP1.

Yeah, I agree, though historically Chabot has played both units and if Brannstrom is in the lineup he's probably ahead of Sanderson on the PP for a while yet.

Pinto might make an appearance on the PP, he has a good one timer and got some shifts before getting injured, Formenton and Joseph could use their speed to stretch out the D and make entries easier. Nobody from our 4th line (Watson, Gambrell, Kelly, Kastelic) is getting PP time though. Maybe if Sokolov, Greig, or Jarventie cracks the roster they could get a look. Crookshank is a bit of a wild card,

 

[Ice-Tray]

Yeah, I agree, though historically Chabot has played both units and if Brannstrom is in the lineup he's probably ahead of Sanderson on the PP for a while yet.

Pinto might make an appearance on the PP, he has a good one timer and got some shifts before getting injured, Formenton and Joseph could use their speed to stretch out the D and make entries easier. Nobody from our 4th line (Watson, Gambrell, Kelly, Kastelic) is getting PP time though. Maybe if Sokolov, Greig, or Jarventie cracks the roster they could get a look. Crookshank is a bit of a wild card,

Agreed, though I think Chabot played two minutes due to lack of options, and he really needs to shave off a few minutes.

If Sanderson is the guy we all think he is, he’ll be a PP mainstay.

 

[thinkwild]

Our #1 pp last year with the chuck norris line and Stu on D was pretty deadly. I hope they get a chance to re-establish that. Brinksy and Gru were brought in as support players so they should be ok as the 2nd unit with Pinto and Sanderson, at least to start.

 

[JungleBeat]

Tkachuk
Debrincat - Giroux - Norris
Stutzle


Can substitute Batherson for Tkachuk

 

[Ice-Tray]

I doubt we’ll see a PP like that. We’ll run two PPs with dual threats to capitalize on lesser PKs and tired PKers.

We have enough quality players to have multiple options across two PPs.

 

[JD1]

It's hard to say for sure. We have a tone of PP options, Tkachuk and Chabot seem like the only locks for unit 1 imo, Tkachuk because of his unique abilities in front of the net and Chabot because he's our top offensive Dman (I guess we could slot in Brannstrom)

After that, pick three of Stützle, Batherson, Giroux, DeBrincat and Norris; there isn't a bad option among them and it likely boils down to chemistry.

Tbh, it might be hard to tell which unit is PP1, good chance Chabot plays the full 2 mins, and after that we have 6 guys that all belong on a number 1 unit. If we plug in Joseph and Formenton on each unit, well have two groups that could easily be thrown out as a #1 PP unit

I like Formenton and think he established a lot of credibility last year as an NHL player. But he also established he doesn't belong on an NHL PP.

 

[Micklebot]

I like Formenton and think he established a lot of credibility last year as an NHL player. But he also established he doesn't belong on an NHL PP.

Yeah, Pinto makes far more sense, I'd forgotten about him when I wrote that. No doubt that Formenton will get the odd PP shift on the second unit if/when injuries hit or on the tail end when there's only a dozen seconds remaining, but he's probably not a regular when healthy.

 

[sensswagger]

 

[RAFI BOMB]

 

[Sweatred]

Stüd… Beware NHL.

 

[Crosside]

I love Ottawa, I love the city, I love the guys... I'm really committed to signing long-term maybe and i'm going to be looking forward to joining them for a long time there" - Tim Stützle on 32 Thoughts

 

[SlapJack]

I love Ottawa, I love the city, I love the guys... I'm really committed to signing long-term maybe and i'm going to be looking forward to joining them for a long time there" - Tim Stützle on 32 Thoughts

Start panicking now

 

[Silencio]

"Hey I just started playing for you/and this is crazy/but here's my number/so sign me maybe"

 

[Wallet Inspector]

"Otta-wait"

I wonder how long that social media intern has been holding on to that pun.

 

[Nova Stutzlia]

I love Ottawa, I love the city, I love the guys... I'm really committed to signing long-term maybe and i'm going to be looking forward to joining them for a long time there" - Tim Stützle on 32 Thoughts

Hopefully he added "maybe" so he wouldn't piss off his agent.

 

[Sweatred]

The whole league should just get out of his way. No need to clutter the inevitable.

 

[R We A Team]

Maybe he is just saying maybe because he is not management, so he has no idea if they want to sign him long term or short term at this time so therefore the maybe. Why do we always jump to the negative conclusion over a simple comment?