Player Discussion Tim Stützle - L̶W̶/C - Part V

[Tap on the Ankle]

Out of all recent (last 10 years) forwards who have started in the NHL in their D+1 year it looks like Stutzle has only been outproduced by the following teenagers:

McDavid
Eichel
Matthews
Laine
MacKinnon

He had similar production to MacKinnon's sophomore year but was beaten cleanly in the rookie year, was also outproduecd by Hischier in their rookie years but bested him in the sophomore. Most notable guy he cleanly outproduced as a teenager is Barkov.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Out of all recent (last 10 years) forwards who have started in the NHL in their D+1 year it looks like Stutzle has only been outproduced by the following teenagers:

McDavid
Eichel
Matthews
Laine
MacKinnon

He had similar production to MacKinnon's sophomore year but was beaten cleanly in the rookie year, was also outproduecd by Hischier in their rookie years but bested him in the sophomore. Most notable guy he cleanly outproduced as a teenager is Barkov.

Stutzle is going to be a top 5 player in this league and I don't even think some Sens fans are ready for it.

Going to be a scary next 4-5 years and beyond.

You can see why Dorion trying to capitalize by going after Chychrun. 3 years of phenomenal cap hit on what can be a homerun trade or a defender who, at worst, is worth his contract.

 

[Bevans]

Having that pace when Ottawa was well out of playoff contention doesn't mean much. Now if he maintains that pace over the course of the season, and Ottawa is competitive, then I'll be impressed.

This logic is so silly to me. Yes the last 40% of the nhl season is pond hockey. Everyone knows this. Points only count between november 14th and december 9th.

Give me a break. He put those points up as a 20 year old against teams trying to make the playoffs.

Breakouts don't exclusively happen within a full season. Development doesn't March to your clock. He has broken out. It began when he moved to center. Some have noticed and some have not.

 

[bicboi64]

I personally wouldn't say he's broken out yet just because I'd like to see what he does at C with 82 games. I think he has a good chance of turning into a high end offensive player, but before I start thinking he'll be an elite centre (top 10 in the league imo), I'd give it another season.

Truth is, he did pick up his pace once the Sens were out of the picture, but all that hockey isn't worthless. Playing against men and assholes who think he's a diver isn't easy and him being able to do that on our injury plagued roster is impressive.

I expect 70-75 points for him, really hope he hits that mark and makes a case for being our #1C

 

[Micklebot]

Ok, so Stützle's season can be broken up into 3 chunks.

Games 1-21, played on a line with Paul and Brown, mostly as a winger. 8 pts in 21 games, a 31 pts pace.

Games 22-44, transitioned to playing center, Formenton replaced Paul on his line. Scored 15 pts in 23 games, a 54 pts pace.

Games 45-79, finished strong with 35 pts in 35 games.

The last 58 games after a poor start misscast as Paul's winger, he paced at 70pts. This year he should be playing center with Giroux and DeBrincat on his wings from the start, a substantial upgrade over guys like Paul, Brown and Formenton. 70 pts would be a bit disappointing if the team stays healthy.

 

[Tuna99]

Best thing that ever happened to the Ottawa Senators and Tim Stutzle is Brendan Gallagher opening his big yap and calling Timmy a diver - Timmy went completely savage after that.

When you challenge and elite athletes pride, the real ones respond by getting better at everything. Brendan Gallagher gifted the Ottawa Senators and Tim Stutzle a motivation that took Timmy to the next level by pissing him off and a veteran challenging his game.

Thanks Brendan. NHL Captain shit

 

[Dan Patrick]

Ok, so Stützle's season can be broken up into 3 chunks.

Games 1-21, played on a line with Paul and Brown, mostly as a winger. 8 pts in 21 games, a 31 pts pace.

Games 22-44, transitioned to playing center, Formenton replaced Paul on his line. Scored 15 pts in 23 games, a 54 pts pace.

Games 45-79, finished strong with 35 pts in 35 games.

The last 58 games after a poor start misscast as Paul's winger, he paced at 70pts. This year he should be playing center with Giroux and DeBrincat on his wings from the start, a substantial upgrade over guys like Paul, Brown and Formenton. 70 pts would be a bit disappointing if the team stays healthy.

I dont know im going to have to watch some games before making a judgement on whether Debrincat and Giroux are better than Brown, Paul and Formenton.

 

[Tuna99]

I dont know im going to have to watch some shifts before making a judgement on whether Debrincat and Giroux are better than Brown, Paul and Formenton.

Fixed it for you

 

[robsenz]

Ppg next year or bust.

I think he'll score a powerplay goal next year!

 

[OD99]

Best thing that ever happened to the Ottawa Senators and Tim Stutzle is Brendan Gallagher opening his big yap and calling Timmy a diver - Timmy went completely savage after that.

When you challenge and elite athletes pride, the real ones respond by getting better at everything. Brendan Gallagher gifted the Ottawa Senators and Tim Stutzle a motivation that took Timmy to the next level by pissing him off and a veteran challenging his game.

Thanks Brendan. NHL Captain shit

It gave Jimmy more publicity but that kid has all the inner drive and motivation needed to be a star.

Gallagher didn't make that happen but he will pay for his insolence each and every game against the Senators as Jimmy takes it to him. I might hedge a bet he will fight Gallagher this year if Brendan keeps chirping him.

 

[Bevans]

I personally wouldn't say he's broken out yet just because I'd like to see what he does at C with 82 games. I think he has a good chance of turning into a high end offensive player, but before I start thinking he'll be an elite centre (top 10 in the league imo), I'd give it another season.

Truth is, he did pick up his pace once the Sens were out of the picture, but all that hockey isn't worthless. Playing against men and assholes who think he's a diver isn't easy and him being able to do that on our injury plagued roster is impressive.

I expect 70-75 points for him, really hope he hits that mark and makes a case for being our #1C

This would be a regression from what he did for last 40% of the season.

I don't understand the idea that it has to be a full season to be a breakout. Let's say he continues his per game pace from when he switched to center for the full season, that would mean in the past 111 games he'd have 118 points.

Do we really need to wait a season and a half to call it a breakout? Such a restrictive definition basically renders the word worthless.

I refuse to wait that long. When you see it you see it.

 

[bicboi64]

This would be a regression from what he did for last 40% of the season.

I don't understand the idea that it has to be a full season to be a breakout. Let's say he continues his per game pace from when he switched to center for the full season, that would mean in the past 111 games he'd have 118 points.

Do we really need to wait a season and a half to call it a breakout? Such a restrictive definition basically renders the word worthless.

I refuse to wait that long. When you see it you see it.

I'm not saying he won't be PPG this whole season, i just want to wait and see him continue his play from the end of last season before I expect elite production from him

 

[Sweatred]

Complete shredding of all things defence from skate #1 on.

Stutzle may be the most creative person in the league. Some of its misdirected or poorly channeled but the kid is going to put on a show.

He alone is worth $25.50 and a cold long walk from lot 9 to watch live.

 

[RAFI BOMB]

 

[playasRus]

Out of all recent (last 10 years) forwards who have started in the NHL in their D+1 year it looks like Stutzle has only been outproduced by the following teenagers:

McDavid
Eichel
Matthews
Laine
MacKinnon

He had similar production to MacKinnon's sophomore year but was beaten cleanly in the rookie year, was also outproduecd by Hischier in their rookie years but bested him in the sophomore. Most notable guy he cleanly outproduced as a teenager is Barkov.

In what capacity?

Stutzle:
29 in 53 (0.54 ppg)
58 in 79 (0.73 ppg)

Petersson:
66 in 71 (0.92 ppg)
66 in 68 (0.99 ppg)

Pretty sure there are a few other examples of better PPG (with greater total points) since Barzal was similarly close to PPG in his first 2 and 3 seasons with near fulled 82 games played.

 

[Hale The Villain]

In what capacity?

Stutzle:
29 in 53 (0.54 ppg)
58 in 79 (0.73 ppg)

Petersson:
66 in 71 (0.92 ppg)
66 in 68 (0.99 ppg)

Pretty sure there are a few other examples of better PPG (with greater total points) since Barzal was similarly close to PPG in his first 2 and 3 seasons with near fulled 82 games played.

As a late-birthday Pettersson was entering his 20YR old season when he started with the Canucks.

This upcoming season will be Stutzle's 20YR old season. Spent his 18 and 19YR old seasons in the NHL, unlike Pettersson and Barzal who played at lower levels at the same age.

 

[Golden_Jet]

In what capacity?

Stutzle:
29 in 53 (0.54 ppg)
58 in 79 (0.73 ppg)

Petersson:
66 in 71 (0.92 ppg)
66 in 68 (0.99 ppg)

Pretty sure there are a few other examples of better PPG (with greater total points) since Barzal was similarly close to PPG in his first 2 and 3 seasons with near fulled 82 games played.

Pettersson was D+2

 

[Sweatred]

We don’t need Brady as team policeman anymore … we have Jimmy.

 

[Sweatred]

In what capacity?

Stutzle:
29 in 53 (0.54 ppg)
58 in 79 (0.73 ppg)

Petersson:
66 in 71 (0.92 ppg)
66 in 68 (0.99 ppg)

Pretty sure there are a few other examples of better PPG (with greater total points) since Barzal was similarly close to PPG in his first 2 and 3 seasons with near fulled 82 games played.

You need to compare these guys at the same age or years post draft. Timmy played in his draft year, he was still eligible for the u20’s the three weeks ago.


Timmy played with garbage line mates - he only really had a shot at scoring on the PP.

Stu is an Uber competitive kid - he’s going to come into a contract year and blow it up. Zero doubt he’s put in a tonne of work to set this year up. That skinny,
Smiley kid is gone, he’s in beast mode now.

The only thing potentially holding him back

1) a potential lack of chemistry with top 6 wingers.

2) DJ uses him on PP2.

3) the “i” words which shall not be spoken.

If he finds chemistry and remains the focal point of PP1 he’s going to blow up this year.

 

[Bevans]

You need to compare these guys at the same age or years post draft. Timmy played in his draft year, he was still eligible for the u20’s the three weeks ago.


Timmy played with garbage line mates - he only really had a shot at scoring on the PP.

Stu is an Uber competitive kid - he’s going to come into a contract year and blow it up. Zero doubt he’s put in a tonne of work to set this year up. That skinny,
Smiley kid is gone, he’s in beast mode now.

The only thing potentially holding him back

1) a potential lack of chemistry with top 6 wingers.

2) DJ uses him on PP2.

3) the “i” words which shall not be spoken.

If he finds chemistry and remains the focal point of PP1 he’s going to blow up this year.

I have zero fear of this. Since switching to center Stu was tied with Huberdeau for 5th in PPP in the league.

He is the 1st player on PP1, he is not 5 or 6.

 

[Psycroptic86]

Stutzle talks Senators aiming for playoffs in Q&A with NHL.com

Didn't see this interview on here, so I figured I would share it.

 

[Sweatred]

I have zero fear of this. Since switching to center Stu was tied with Huberdeau for 5th in PPP in the league.

He is the 1st player on PP1, he is not 5 or 6.

I agree … I don’t see that happening.

 

[Micklebot]

I have zero fear of this. Since switching to center Stu was tied with Huberdeau for 5th in PPP in the league.

He is the 1st player on PP1, he is not 5 or 6.

It's hard to say for sure. We have a tone of PP options, Tkachuk and Chabot seem like the only locks for unit 1 imo, Tkachuk because of his unique abilities in front of the net and Chabot because he's our top offensive Dman (I guess we could slot in Brannstrom)

After that, pick three of Stützle, Batherson, Giroux, DeBrincat and Norris; there isn't a bad option among them and it likely boils down to chemistry.

Tbh, it might be hard to tell which unit is PP1, good chance Chabot plays the full 2 mins, and after that we have 6 guys that all belong on a number 1 unit. If we plug in Joseph and Formenton on each unit, well have two groups that could easily be thrown out as a #1 PP unit

 

[Bevans]

It's hard to say for sure. We have a tone of PP options, Tkachuk and Chabot seem like the only locks for unit 1 imo, Tkachuk because of his unique abilities in front of the net and Chabot because he's our top offensive Dman (I guess we could slot in Brannstrom)

After that, pick three of Stützle, Batherson, Giroux, DeBrincat and Norris; there isn't a bad option among them and it likely boils down to chemistry.

Tbh, it might be hard to tell which unit is PP1, good chance Chabot plays the full 2 mins, and after that we have 6 guys that all belong on a number 1 unit. If we plug in Joseph and Formenton on each unit, well have two groups that could easily be thrown out as a #1 PP unit

In terms of powerplay proficiency you can drive a truck between Chabot and stutzle's skillet. I think stu's spot is safer.

As for hierarchy I'd rank them as

Stu
Norris
Tkachuk
Chabot
Debrincat
Giroux
Batherson
Pinto
Brannstrom
Sanderson (edit)
Joseph

I have Chabot so low because I think chychrun (or another top 4 trade) would knock him down.

I agree they can have 2 units that have the skillset of a first unit, but Stu's should be on fitst unit.

In summer of 2023 I don't think there will be any dispute on this point.

 

[Sweatred]

It's hard to say for sure. We have a tone of PP options, Tkachuk and Chabot seem like the only locks for unit 1 imo, Tkachuk because of his unique abilities in front of the net and Chabot because he's our top offensive Dman (I guess we could slot in Brannstrom)

After that, pick three of Stützle, Batherson, Giroux, DeBrincat and Norris; there isn't a bad option among them and it likely boils down to chemistry.

Tbh, it might be hard to tell which unit is PP1, good chance Chabot plays the full 2 mins, and after that we have 6 guys that all belong on a number 1 unit. If we plug in Joseph and Formenton on each unit, well have two groups that could easily be thrown out as a #1 PP unit

No need for Joseph or Formy to see anything over :30 sec a PP. They just aren’t good enough, especially formy at distributing or shooting.

Trigger options
1. Cat
2. Norris
3. Jimmy
4. Brady
5. Batherson

No need for Formy to be spoiling a PP shooting … or even worse be being relied on for a creative quick pass.