Player Discussion Tim Stützle - L̶W̶/C - Part V

[GCK]

there is certainly an argument.

better offense: Brady was only pacing for around 50 points when he signed his contract. Norris is pacing for 40+goals

better defense: this one isn't close, Brady has a lot of work to do to just be a good defensive player, Norris is one of our best defensive players already.

those are the two most important traits in hockey players.

Brady has a huge edge in physical play I agree, do you think that's enough to make up for the clear advantage Norris has shown in offense and defense?

Brady is the better playmaker.

 

[Akrapovince]

I know we’re far removed from the discussion about Stützle’s embellishment but after watching this video I just wanted to discuss it again.



Watching these back, it’s crazy the amount of offense that he could generate if he wasn’t impeded illegally. A lot of highlight reel stuff that results in the other team taking a penalty.

Fans of opposing teams are obviously going to complain about drawn penalties, but there are also egregious moments similar to the ones we see in the video where an infraction wasn’t called.

It’s pretty clear from the video that we can draw the conclusion that Timmy’s style of play creates so much open ice, that the opposing team has to take a penalty as opposed to giving him free real estate. I don’t want to compare him, but I will- it’s almost McDavid-esque if Connor actually got calls.

When you’re on that many breakaways, your bound to draw infractions from chasing defenders. When you’re as evasive as he is and use turning/twisting motions, an opponents stick entangled in your legs/arms/body will trip you up.

Something that use to drive me crazy as a player was when a player held my stick and I would get called for hooking, a referee would tell me “If you don’t want him holding your stick, stop putting it their in the first place”. I see some merit in that now, stop putting your stick in Stützle’s skates or cross checking him from behind, simple solution.

Look, he might go down a bit easy at times, whether it be to sell a call or his lack of strength (teenager playing against men), but at the end of the day, you committing a penalty and expecting it not to get drawn solely because of another players reaction should make you reevaluate how you play the game as opposed to the person you’re committing infractions on.

/endrant Just thought you guys who haven’t seen the video would like a look.

 

[NyQuil]

In this league, once your reputation is established it will take years to change if ever.

 

[Akrapovince]

In this league, once your reputation is established it will take years to change if ever.

Maybe Jimmy should sue Gallagher for defamation a la Johnny Depp & Amber Heard?

Less calls, less power plays, less points, less money. Millions in damages!



But in all seriousness, I couldn’t quite care less about his reputation amongst other players. As long as referees keep calling penalties when he’s infracted, which for now they are, I’m okay.

 

[NyQuil]

Maybe Jimmy should sue Gallagher for defamation a la Johnny Depp & Amber Heard?

Less calls, less power plays, less points, less money. Millions in damages!



But in all seriousness, I couldn’t quite care less about his reputation amongst other players. As long as referees keep calling penalties when he’s infractdd, which for now they are, I’m okay.

Now everyone we play looks for dives even before he gets on the ice.

Devils fans claimed he dove twice in our last game and I really don’t remember anything egregious.

Just piling on.

 

[Akrapovince]

Now everyone we play looks for dives even before he gets on the ice.

Devils fans claimed he dove twice in our last game and I really don’t remember anything egregious.

Just piling on.

Yeah, your spot on with that one. It’s easy to find something that’s not even there if you look hard enough.

 

[guyzeur]

Gallagher was preaching for his own cause. He knows that he will have to stop no 18 and he'll need the refs to help him doing it.

 

[NyQuil]

Gallagher was preaching for his own cause. He knows that he will have to stop no 18 and he'll need the refs to help him doing it.

He's a rat that got schooled and instead of doing something about it personally he mouths off in the media.

 

[Bileur]

It'll be Karlsson 2.0 regardless.

There's a reason why I'm so careless and aggressive sometimes. When I first came to these boards, Sens players completely disregarded left and right. Easy to pick on the little brother with two mega giants beside us. And their media narratives completely undermine our talent.

Just look at what Gallagher incident did. The guy missed two freaking games after and he's still considered a diver off a hit that is closer to suspension worthy than an embellishment.

I legit remember Schenn > Karlsson and Doughty > Karlsson in droves, even with no opposition by Sens fans.

Just look at the freaking Batherson mainboard thread. What a ridiculous goal and like 5 posts with 3-4 Sens fans.

Greig is 3rd in PPG in entire WHL and his thread was buried in literally page 16.

Someone's gotta step up

Agreed. I also remember some gems like “Wellwood is as good a playmaker as Spezza” or three way polls between Wellwood, Spezza and Higgins.

Heck Karlsson was winning Norrises and still getting called a fourth forward.

I probably won’t be starting threads but *cue Will Smith voice* KEEP STÜTZLE’S NAME OUT YO F******* MOUTH

 

[Bileur]

He's a rat that got schooled and instead of doing something about it personally he mouths off in the media.

I agree, he tried to bully him and ended up at the bottom of the pile with a ref pulling a laughing Stützle away. He was embarrassed and lashed out.

 

[Xspyrit]

Pinto getting injured was a blessing in disguise. How different he's looked down the middle cannot be overstated. Absolutely exploded at that point.

I just made a count not sure if it's 100% accurate but he changed to center early Dec. Since that time (or around that time) he has 49 pts in 56 games...

November 24th

Is Now the Right Time to Move Tim Stutzle to Centre?

Stutzle played on the wing for Germany at the World Junior Hockey Championships last year. When he joined the Sens following that tournament, he stuck to the wing as well. Some expected him to get a look at centre heading into this season, but until now, it’s never happened.

facesmag.ca

Following the trail that brought Stuetzle to playing centre

Stuetzle has been searching for something, stuck in a season-long slump, scoring once and registering only 32 shots on goal in his first 16 games.

ottawasun.com

21 goals, 50 pts in 61 games (28 goals, 67 points pace per 82 games, 0.82 PPG)

In what world is Norris better than Tkachuk?

Norris just has a better one-time and that is it.

Norris is/will be better offensively and defensively

There's one thing that is forgotten when talking about Brady : he is an unicorn modern days power forward. 30+ goals, ~65 pts, close to league leading in hits and shots, does a lot of damage in front of the net and along the boards, a big intimidation factor, leadership, etc. We're not talking about Sabourin "intangibles" here... for that level of player, it is quite valuable. Brady Tkachuk is an impact player.

Do people remember that? Weber was one of the most feared and respected players in the league.

 

[Answer]

In this league, once your reputation is established it will take years to change if ever.

Regarding of what reputation you have around the league, fair or unfair. The refs should be able to call it as they see it, and make the right call. Their decision should not be fogged by any sort of biased, or reputation, but solely on what the right call should be on that very play, in front of them. That is what they are paid for.

Is this too much to ask? To do your job right?

 

[Akrapovince]

Regarding of what reputation you have around the league, fair or unfair. The refs should be able to call it as they see it, and make the right call. Their decision should not be fogged by any sort of biased, or reputation, but solely on what the right call should be on that very play, in front of them. That is what they are paid for.

Is this too much to ask? To do your job right?

Absolutely false. There is a level of rapport when accessing penalties and there are certain players that do not deserve the benefit of the doubt.

In a vacuum, a trip is a trip. But in the case where let’s say a player that has a reputation for diving/embellishing gets tripped and the officials are on the fence about whether he dived afterwards, they absolutely should reference his past and history when determining that.

Same thing with suspensions, if you’re a repeat offender you no longer get the benefit of the doubt. If you continue to malicious intend to injure someone, you lose your credibility. If you repeatedly run around headshotting people, maybe on the seventh time when you accidentally make incidental contact with another’s players head, it’s viewed differently, as it should be.

TLDR: There are calls that aren’t exactly black and white where a player’s history should and will play a huge part in decision making in any facility

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

he was putting on some of the most impressive shifts i have seen from a player since EK. Doing whatever he wanted.

This guy will challenge Alfie for all time best Senators forward.

 

[Nova Stutzlia]

Hope he's able to play in the World Championships.

 

[aragorn]

I know we’re far removed from the discussion about Stützle’s embellishment but after watching this video I just wanted to discuss it again.



Watching these back, it’s crazy the amount of offense that he could generate if he wasn’t impeded illegally. A lot of highlight reel stuff that results in the other team taking a penalty.

Fans of opposing teams are obviously going to complain about drawn penalties, but there are also egregious moments similar to the ones we see in the video where an infraction wasn’t called.

It’s pretty clear from the video that we can draw the conclusion that Timmy’s style of play creates so much open ice, that the opposing team has to take a penalty as opposed to giving him free real estate. I don’t want to compare him, but I will- it’s almost McDavid-esque if Connor actually got calls.

When you’re on that many breakaways, your bound to draw infractions from chasing defenders. When you’re as evasive as he is and use turning/twisting motions, an opponents stick entangled in your legs/arms/body will trip you up.

Something that use to drive me crazy as a player was when a player held my stick and I would get called for hooking, a referee would tell me “If you don’t want him holding your stick, stop putting it their in the first place”. I see some merit in that now, stop putting your stick in Stützle’s skates or cross checking him from behind, simple solution.

Look, he might go down a bit easy at times, whether it be to sell a call or his lack of strength (teenager playing against men), but at the end of the day, you committing a penalty and expecting it not to get drawn solely because of another players reaction should make you reevaluate how you play the game as opposed to the person you’re committing infractions on.

/endrant Just thought you guys who haven’t seen the video would like a look.

"If you're not cheating, you're not trying hard enough", Garry Galley.

 

[Sun God Nika]

Lol at people taking shots at Tkachuks contract . Tkachuk is the player the team values enough to put a C on the jersey for . Tkachuk is also a more unique talent than the average star player he has size, and hits while scoring above average top 6 forward production while doing it . You aren’t gonna find tkachuks and your gonna have to pay for it. That contract is market value imo.

Yes Stutzle is not gonna take less than Tkachuk but that doesn’t matter since we all knew Stutzle being anything less than a 8m $ player after his elc would have been disappointing.

Sens need to negotiate with him this summer . Cut the bullshit and let Stutzle’s camp know they are expecting him to be a 80+ pt player they will negotiate with him like he is one . Give a small discount now and he won’t have to risk playing a season and getting injured or snake bitten.

Go Sens Go . I’m actually excited for next year

 

[Ice-Tray]

One thing I want Timmy to do is start passing the puck after he goes for a skate.

It’s great to see him draw players in and follow him around, but he gets tunnel vision for the shot too often, and at the moment is holding on to the puck too long in those instances.

More often than not, he ends up either turning the puck over, or taking a low percentage shot, which is a bit of a downer after his awesome moves.

He has to realize that his skating around often leaves a guy wide open, and he needs to start seeing those plays. He’ll get more points, and the opposing teams will have to respect his passing along with his shot.

I know he can do it because he is excellent at it on the PP. perhaps he needs a long term linemate that he gets to know and gels with. Doesn’t seem to work well with Formy, or Batherson in their short stint together.

Sky is the limit with this guy.

 

[Samsquanch]

Honestly whatever Stu gets its not going to be much over 9m at max imo - hes too much of a team guy and loves this group too much to flex that hard on the group like that (when he knows what the other players do in their own way that contributes to winning).

Tim isnt egotistical imo and doesnt act at all like he is carrying the team like so many of the young super stars of today do.

I would bet a lot of money on Tim not being a huge pain in contract negotiations (at least in terms of asking for the moon),, and no chance he demands a massive increase over Brady. It just doesnt happen in a group that is that tight and has that kind of respect for each other. And no doubt Tim wants a long term deal and to avoid being in the individual spotlight every couple of seasons.

Believe it or not but the Sens focus on high character guys is going to pay off in a big way for us one day - and sadly it will go right over the heads of a lot of folks who cant look at the bigger picture.

 

[JD1]

Honestly whatever Stu gets its not going to be much over 9m at max imo - hes too much of a team guy and loves this group too much to flex that hard on the group like that (when he knows what the other players do in their own way that contributes to winning).

Tim isnt egotistical imo and doesnt act at all like he is carrying the team like so many of the young super stars of today do.

I would bet a lot of money on Tim not being a huge pain in contract negotiations (at least in terms of asking for the moon),, and no chance he demands a massive increase over Brady. It just doesnt happen in a group that is that tight and has that kind of respect for each other. And no doubt Tim wants a long term deal and to avoid being in the individual spotlight every couple of seasons.

Believe it or not but the Sens focus on high character guys is going to pay off in a big way for us one day - and sadly it will go right over the heads of a lot of folks who cant look at the bigger picture.

I agree with what you've said here in that I don't see him demanding massive money more than his peers.

Young stars often come into the league and there's a few big dogs on the team with big dog contracts. Then you see the kid outplay the dog and start thinking I'm worth more than the dog.

What I do like about our group is they are coming of age together. Stuetzle didn't come in with an established big dog order. Kids playing together and figuring out how to win. I think they're all going to be lumped close together salary wise, they being Chabot, Tkachuk, Norris and Stuetzle. There isn't a big dog there play wise or ego wise. I also think whatever Batherson paid his agent, he should ask for a refund.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

 

[GCK]

Interesting that DJ asked Stuetzle if he wanted to move to centre to open the season and Timmy said not yet. Another example that DJ knows where his players will succeed

 

[Akrapovince]

One thing I want Timmy to do is start passing the puck after he goes for a skate.

It’s great to see him draw players in and follow him around, but he gets tunnel vision for the shot too often, and at the moment is holding on to the puck too long in those instances.

More often than not, he ends up either turning the puck over, or taking a low percentage shot, which is a bit of a downer after his awesome moves.

He has to realize that his skating around often leaves a guy wide open, and he needs to start seeing those plays. He’ll get more points, and the opposing teams will have to respect his passing along with his shot.

I know he can do it because he is excellent at it on the PP. perhaps he needs a long term linemate that he gets to know and gels with. Doesn’t seem to work well with Formy, or Batherson in their short stint together.

Sky is the limit with this guy.

I share the same sentiment, another thing that I would like to see is him aggressively attacking the centre of the ice more.

His wide rushes are great, and occasionally he’ll score from a bad angle shot when the defender forces him wide, but would love to see him curl around the net or drive to the middle more often.

Once Stützle gets stronger, the hard drive to the net shielding the puck off the rush is going to be an insane weapon for him to utilize to create chances.

 

[Ice-Tray]

I share the same sentiment, another thing that I would like to see is him aggressively attacking the centre of the ice more.

His wide rushes are great, and occasionally he’ll score from a bad angle shot when the defender forces him wide, but would love to see him curl around the net or drive to the middle more often.

Once Stützle gets stronger, the hard drive to the net shielding the puck off the rush is going to be an insane weapon for him to utilize to create chances.

I want to see Peter Forsberg, I think he has it in him.

 

[armani]

Agreed. I also remember some gems like “Wellwood is as good a playmaker as Spezza” or three way polls between Wellwood, Spezza and Higgins.

Heck Karlsson was winning Norrises and still getting called a fourth forward.

I probably won’t be starting threads but *cue Will Smith voice* KEEP STÜTZLE’S NAME OUT YO F******* MOUTH

How can I forget that St. Louis fan claiming Pietrangelo is at a different level while comparing Karlsson to our neighbourhood real estate agent Michael Del Zotto. Lol.