Player Discussion Tim Stützle - L̶W̶/C - Part V

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He needs strong smart wingers. Formenton and Gaudette is setting up Stutzle for disaster.

Slaf would literally be perfect.

I wonder what management think of Yurov. Could also be excellent candidate.

I haven't really done my research on C.Gauthier.
I think Stu needs to get better at using his wingers. Batherson was on RW for a handful of games and was practically invisible because Stu has the puck all the time.

Formenton is a great winger for him now as North/South isn't bad for a creative C.

This will be inflammatory I know but with all the puck handling and dancing in the offensive zone Stu does he really doesn't set up many plays off the cycle. I keep waiting for him to set-up a tap-in or a nice one-timer but he doesn't seem to see those lanes yet.

He also really needs to get the doublle/triple clutching before he shoots out of his system. He almost always has to handle the puck before he let's his shot go and seems to feel he needs to be in tight before shooting.

Love the kid and he skill is undeniable but there is a tiny part of me worried he may not produce at the level his skill would allow. Hopefully we see a big jump next season and that tiny part of doubt gets squashed.
 
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Oh the irony.... You're either underrating Quinn massively, or you're lying about watching him or don't understand the context of how good he has been. He came up in two NHL games and was all over the ice had 5 shots in one of them. Not everyone is doing what he is doing. Norris was just over a ppg, Quinn has 59 n 43. Frankly Norris was simply not making the same types of plays, you definitely aren't watching. The most hilarious part of all of this is I said they are interchangeable and it's too early to tell but you're arrogance in the discussion isn't even open to that. You can't be objective in this one, no point in continuing this discussion.

Nah, most of it is me being tongue-in-cheek because I know you rated Quinn super highly pre-draft and I remember you were alllllllll about Drysdale over Sanderson, even first few months after the fact, I'm tryna challenge you on your preconceived ideas(perhaps subconscious at this point?).

What Sanderson's shown thus far, is worthy of potential 1st overall pick last year.

Interchangeable or not, no shot he's ranked 7th in any ranking. No shot he drops at all.

Guy was literally drafted 5th overall with some concerns or questions about his offense. Guy has been making winger plays and dashes since then. He's firmly in the top 5.

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I agree with the Guadette on Stü's line take. The Formenton take is one I truly just don't know about. Formenton has so much speed and solid hands that if he can work on increasing his offensive hockey IQ the kid could be An unreal linemate. Obviously hockey IQ may be the hardest thing to just "Get better at" so it's really difficult, but it's hard to give up on a kid with wheels like that. The final thing for me potentially in favor of Formenton on Stü's line is the kid is a tough customer. He isn't a fighter, but if I remember correctly the last time the Formenton threw fists he was quite impressive. If Formenton would be okay with becoming the guy to protect/stand up for Stü when guys like Gallagher punch him in the face while Stü is on his knees, his value as linemate would go up in my book. Overall Formenton is young, but if he could be a more talented prime Wayne Simmonds, I think that would be super valuable on Stü's line.

Agree on Formenton, I just don't want us to keep playing him with Stutzle until he figures it out. Formenton might take another couple years before we really see what he capable of. I want Stutzle to have strong IQ level players now.
 
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Nah, most of it is me being tongue-in-cheek because I know you rated Quinn super highly pre-draft and I remember you were alllllllll about Drysdale over Sanderson, even first few months after the fact, I'm tryna challenge you on your preconceived ideas(perhaps subconscious at this point?).

What Sanderson's shown thus far, is worthy of potential 1st overall pick last year.

Interchangeable or not, no shot he's ranked 7th in any ranking. No shot he drops at all.

Guy was literally drafted 5th overall with some concerns or questions about his offense. Guy has been making winger plays and dashes since then. He's firmly in the top 5.

Stutzle
Lundell
Raymond
Sanderson
Quinn
Lafreniere
Drysdale
Byfield



Agree on Formenton, I just don't want us to keep playing him with Stutzle until he figures it out. Formenton might take another couple years before we really see what he capable of. I want Stutzle to have strong IQ level players now.
Drysdale has 31 points in 78 games as a 20 year old rookie D man in the NHL. You are acting like it was a bad pick.... Ridiculously bad take. You're not challenging anything you just arent watching these players. I was bang on about Quinn because I actually watched the 67's unlike most that liked Rossi more because they stat watched. I dont know how you can actually look at what Sanderson has done since the draft compared to Quinn and Drysdale and believe its been more impressive. No one without a significant bias looks at it that way. Like I said all 4 could be interchangeable and were great picks. Fact of the matter is its a really really good draft and there are lots of good players.

As for Formenton who should be playing with Stutzle over him? He has shown more chemistry than anyone this season.
 
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Drysdale has 31 points in 78 games as a 20 year old rookie D man in the NHL. You are acting like it was a bad pick.... Ridiculously bad take. You're not challenging anything you just arent watching these players. I was bang on about Quinn because I actually watched the 67's unlike most that liked Rossi more because they stat watched. I dont know how you can actually look at what Sanderson has done since the draft compared to Quinn and Drysdale and believe its been more impressive. No one without a significant bias looks at it that way. Like I said all 4 could be interchangeable and were great picks. Fact of the matter is its a really really good draft and there are lots of good players.

As for Formenton who should be playing with Stutzle over him? He has shown more chemistry than anyone this season.

Drysdale doing very well. But I see him more closer to Fowler type number 1 D. It's not a bad pick at all. Just see Sanderson with more impact. I've seen Drysdale struggle mightily cause of his size, and that's something that'll continue to limit him from being among the top top consecutively.

Sanderson is near flawless defensively, 6'2, being top 3 skater in the draft, and was making winger end-to-end rushes on offensive dashes. That to me is nuts. And a combination that could be most valuable among the entire draft. Like literally, the complete package right there. I don't see that combination in Drysdale or Quinn.

Formenton should continue to play with Stutzle rest of season due to injuries. But I want to see a big time acquisition for him next year and Batherson/Joseph/Brown on the other side. Let Formenton work on his playmaking and feasting on bottom 6s before riding shotgun on our most lethal offensive threat.

There's a reason why some were questioning Nylander or even possible Marner trade in package for Pesce or Slavvin. Number 1 D's in the mold of Sanderson are the epitome of invaluable. Unless it's a franchise centerman.
 
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Drysdale doing very well. But I see him more closer to Fowler type number 1 D. It's not a bad pick at all. Just see Sanderson with more impact. I've seen Drysdale struggle mightily cause of his size, and that's something that'll continue to limit him from being among the top top consecutively.

Sanderson is near flawless defensively, 6'2, being top 3 skater in the draft, and was making winger end-to-end rushes on offensive dashes. That to me is nuts. And a combination that could be most valuable among the entire draft. Like literally, the complete package right there. I don't see that combination in Drysdale or Quinn.

Formenton should continue to play with Stutzle rest of season due to injuries. But I want to see a big time acquisition for him next year and Batherson/Joseph/Brown on the other side. Let Formenton work on his playmaking and feasting on bottom 6s before riding shotgun on our most lethal offensive threat.

There's a reason why some were questioning Nylander or even possible Marner trade in package for Pesce or Slavvin. Number 1 D's in the mold of Sanderson are the epitome of invaluable. Unless it's a franchise centerman.
You're too biased to evaluate Quinn or Drysdale then. Quinn is the definition of a full package plays both wings, PP, PK on in the last minute of games. Drysdale is way ahead of Fowler at that age, as he gets stronger faster and more experienced you're going to see an all situations stud. Plays the game like Niedermayer. If someone questioned trading Marner for Pesce they should quit watching hockey. Quinn takes the puck to the net harder than either of those guys. It's more and more evident you haven't really watched him.

Again I like Sanderson, it is possible to appreciate players on other teams.
 

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Didn't like Tim's game Saturday. Looks very rattled and hopefully he learns how to deal with that better next year. Because, you know Habs fans, once something is in their heads, it ain't leaving
 

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Again I like Sanderson, it is possible to appreciate players on other teams.

I agree with you. Sanderson has potential to be a #1 NHL d-man. Drysdale also has potential to be a #1 NHL d-man, and is currently proving that in the NHL. There's very few rookie d-men who can do what Drysdale has done so far. Maybe Sanderson is one of them. Until he does it, I think Drysdale has to come first if you're ranking the players. Especially after such an injury-riddled year for Sanderson.
 

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Didn't like Tim's game Saturday. Looks very rattled and hopefully he learns how to deal with that better next year. Because, you know Habs fans, once something is in their heads, it ain't leaving
Same here, he played like he was afraid.
 
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Didn't like Tim's game Saturday. Looks very rattled and hopefully he learns how to deal with that better next year. Because, you know Habs fans, once something is in their heads, it ain't leaving
Ottawa should have targeted Susuki & Caufield the way Montreal was targeting Stutzle. That's the code, if you go after our star we will go after your star. Don't even bother with Gallagher he's not a star any more, he's in decline, go after the guy's who can score on you now. That's how you stop them from targeting our stars by going after theirs. Tit for tat. :cf: :fight:
 

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Ottawa should have targeted Susuki & Caufield the way Montreal was targeting Stutzle. That's the code, if you go after our star we will go after your star. Don't even bother with Gallagher he's not a star any more, he's in decline, go after the guy's who can score on you now. That's how you stop them from targeting our stars by going after theirs. Tit for tat. :cf: :fight:
We needed a Parker Kelly beat down on one of those two guys. I agree....hammer them Every Single Time.
 

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Didn't like Tim's game Saturday. Looks very rattled and hopefully he learns how to deal with that better next year. Because, you know Habs fans, once something is in their heads, it ain't leaving

Could also be that the kid has been nursing an injury. Puck the Habs and their fans.
 

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Didn't like Tim's game Saturday. Looks very rattled and hopefully he learns how to deal with that better next year. Because, you know Habs fans, once something is in their heads, it ain't leaving
We saw completely different games.

He seemed comfortable to me and maybe wanted to score too badly but he was physical and really should have had a few more calls against him and a few more guys taking liberties with Habs on his behalf.

He is 20, playing banged up and had the national media quoting a has-been trashing him. He did just fine IMO
 

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We saw completely different games.

He seemed comfortable to me and maybe wanted to score too badly but he was physical and really should have had a few more calls against him and a few more guys taking liberties with Habs on his behalf.

He is 20, playing banged up and had the national media quoting a has-been trashing him. He did just fine IMO

I agree that I thought he looked fine. I saw some timid-ness at first, but then he settled in and look good and engaged to me. He doesn't draw that penalty driving to the net late in the game if he was rattled and scared. Someone like Marner would have probably doubled back and waited for support.
 

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Stutzle didn't look rattled or scared at all! He played his usual game, draw penalties, buzzing in the offensive zone. Unfortunately, just wasn't able to score

I don't know what everyone was watching, to be honest
 
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We saw completely different games.

He seemed comfortable to me and maybe wanted to score too badly but he was physical and really should have had a few more calls against him and a few more guys taking liberties with Habs on his behalf.

He is 20, playing banged up and had the national media quoting a has-been trashing him. He did just fine IMO

Yea there was a powerplay late in the game where I thought was one of the best looking powerplays we've had all year and it was entirely because Stutzle was controlling and directing all of it.

He is usually uncharacteristically deferential on the pp I find, but on that power play he had a fire in him and was imposing his will on all the other players. Looked like a superstar.

Might not have been his best game, but I saw a lot to like. His mentality combined with his skill level and physical gifts is unicorn package.
 
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Timmy now with 57 points.
3 more in 2 games (Panthers & Flyers) for 60?
And 3 more for a P/GP average of 1.00 in the 2nd half.
 

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He should be on Jack Hughes style breakout next season

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He should be on Jack Hughes style breakout next season

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hopefully they get him better linemates. what we had him playing with for most of the year was disgraceful.
 

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hopefully they get him better linemates. what we had him playing with for most of the year was disgraceful.
Worst case for me is putting Joseph with Brady and josh, and drake with Jimmy and formenton? ( worst case as in we don’t get a giroux or fiala type player, and have to break up the top line into the “pairs” dj talks about
 

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hopefully they get him better linemates. what we had him playing with for most of the year was disgraceful.

What, Adam Gaudette isn't good enough for you?? Maybe he hasn't registered a point in 23 consecutive games, but he's DUE
 
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