Player Discussion Tim Stützle - L̶W̶/C - Part V

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So I guess top 20 isn't a stretch as you have him there too?... Top 15 definitely seems like a possibility. He has had a better season than Rossi and is the bigger player that is younger and is a better skater. I think we both agree it is too early but he has been nothing but a stud since he was drafted. I think because he had such good chemistry with Stutzle people thought he was a product of him. He hasn't played a game with him since that wjc and has produced everywhere else he has been. Just a golden year for Germany with Reichel too.
I think this is just a bit of miscommunication, he said easily top 20 is a stretch, as in its debatable whether he's top 20, not that he definitely isn't.

I'm happy with Greig ahead of him, I really think that kid is going to shock people. Would have taken Peterka ahead of Jarventie though
 

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Speaking to this newspaper from Columbus Thursday morning after the club’s skate, Smith is upset with a hip check by Vancouver’s Travis Dermott near centre ice in the second period that went uncalled by the officials.

“Look at those hits the other night and how hard he’s getting hit? If that isn’t tripping then what is?,” Smith said.

The Senators are already without top defenceman Thomas Chabot along with forwards Colin White, Shane Pinto and Mathieu Joseph so ideally Stuetzle will be able to suit up in Columbus but Smith is frustrated.

If you stayed up late to watch Tuesday, it looked like the Canucks had decided to target Stuetzle. He took two or three big hits in the second and returned for the third but clearly wasn’t at full strength.
 

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It's fine, he'll need to learn to deal with teams targeting him because he's the GOAT. Continue to work on your core and they'll start bouncing off you.
 

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He is a ppg in the AHL with a terrific motor.... I made my list previously, see below. What's yours look like?


Its way too early to do this but in a redraft my top 20 looks like this. Alot of players I had a very hard time deciding on where they go specifically 4 through 7 to me those 4 players are interchangeable.

1. Stutzle
2. Lundell
3. Raymond
4. Byfield
5. Drysdale
6. Quinn
7. Sanderson
8. Mercer
9. Holtz
10. Jarvis
11. Lafreniere
12.Perfetti
13. Peterka
14. Reichel
15. Schneider
16. Rossi
17. Barron
18. Holloway
19. Chinekhov
20. Neighbours

Honorable mentions to Guhle, Perreault, Greig, Bourque, Lapierre
I think some respect needs to be given to Amirov who despite his terrible diagnosis isnt giving up, he’s still putting in work and skating everyday while undergoing treatment. He deserves to stay on these lists atleast for now.
 

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He is a ppg in the AHL with a terrific motor.... I made my list previously, see below. What's yours look like?


Its way too early to do this but in a redraft my top 20 looks like this. Alot of players I had a very hard time deciding on where they go specifically 4 through 7 to me those 4 players are interchangeable.

1. Stutzle
2. Lundell
3. Raymond
4. Byfield
5. Drysdale
6. Quinn
7. Sanderson
8. Mercer
9. Holtz
10. Jarvis
11. Lafreniere
12.Perfetti
13. Peterka
14. Reichel
15. Schneider
16. Rossi
17. Barron
18. Holloway
19. Chinekhov
20. Neighbours

Honorable mentions to Guhle, Perreault, Greig, Bourque, Lapierre

Lafreniere at 11 but Byfield at 4?

Neither guy looks great for where they were drafted, but Byfield looks much worse. Size isn't all that valuable when you don't use it.
 

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It's fine, he'll need to learn to deal with teams targeting him because he's the GOAT. Continue to work on your core and they'll start bouncing off you.
He just turned 20 and is on his way to being our best player. The players on the ice need to step up and defend him.

He gets run, the guy who runs him gets jumped and then we target a skill player too. That will put an end to it quickly.

Outside of that I agree with your point, he will deal with being the focus of the other team his entire career but the team can't be perceived as being OK with it, especially at this point of the season where we are going nowhere. Penalties don't mean anything to us.

There had better be some justice tomorrow night too. Chirping on the ice nd physical play on the ice is fine but to have another player on the HABS no less call him straight out by name in the media and we don't do anything would be straight up ridiculous.
 

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He just turned 20 and is on his way to being our best player. The players on the ice need to step up and defend him.

He gets run, the guy who runs him gets jumped and then we target a skill player too. That will put an end to it quickly.

Outside of that I agree with your point, he will deal with being the focus of the other team his entire career but the team can't be perceived as being OK with it, especially at this point of the season where we are going nowhere. Penalties don't mean anything to us.

There had better be some justice tomorrow night too. Chirping on the ice nd physical play on the ice is fine but to have another player on the HABS no less call him straight out by name in the media and we don't do anything would be straight up ridiculous.
Brady always does something though lol. They're so small and cute, there's nothing they can do against someone like Chucky except watch him run around and hit people with aplomb. Watson maybe, but the days of having an enforcer are done.

Call up Sabourin maybe? I dunno.
 

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He is a ppg in the AHL with a terrific motor.... I made my list previously, see below. What's yours look like?


Its way too early to do this but in a redraft my top 20 looks like this. Alot of players I had a very hard time deciding on where they go specifically 4 through 7 to me those 4 players are interchangeable.

1. Stutzle
2. Lundell
3. Raymond
4. Byfield
5. Drysdale
6. Quinn
7. Sanderson
8. Mercer
9. Holtz
10. Jarvis
11. Lafreniere
12.Perfetti
13. Peterka
14. Reichel
15. Schneider
16. Rossi
17. Barron
18. Holloway
19. Chinekhov
20. Neighbours

Honorable mentions to Guhle, Perreault, Greig, Bourque, Lapierre

I know I'm a bit biased. But Sanderson is in no way dropping out of top 5. Especially for Quinn or Byfield.

Sanderson is arguably the best defensive d prospect not in the NHL, combine that with him posting the best PPG for u20 D in NCAA in last 25 years.

Yea, this guy not leaving top 5 in redraft, as of now. And I sure as hell aint trading him for Drysdale. I wouldn't even trade him for Raymond. But he goes firmly number 4 in a redraft, imo. 5 at worst.
 
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Lafreniere at 11 but Byfield at 4?

Neither guy looks great for where they were drafted, but Byfield looks much worse. Size isn't all that valuable when you don't use it.
There are very different expectations for both players. Most thought Lafreniere would come in and be able to basically put up 50 points off the bat. Byfield was always going to take years to develop. When you measure them against their expected development curves at the time of the draft, Lafreniere is way off his, but Byfield is probably not far from where people expected. Give him a few more years before judging, potential is still sky high.
 

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Brady always does something though lol. They're so small and cute, there's nothing they can do against someone like Chucky except watch him run around and hit people with aplomb. Watson maybe, but the days of having an enforcer are done.

Call up Sabourin maybe? I dunno.
Not advocating for us to add anyone as I believe we have enough toughness to stand up for each other.

The entire 4th line could make life hard on some Habs if deployed smartly and then others too.

I am probably making more out of this than I should be when is the last time you recall a player being singled out by another player like that? I really think they need to send a strong message that the Senators have his back.
 

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Not advocating for us to add anyone as I believe we have enough toughness to stand up for each other.

The entire 4th line could make life hard on some Habs if deployed smartly and then others too.

I am probably making more out of this than I should be when is the last time you recall a player being singled out by another player like that? I really think they need to send a strong message that the Senators have his back.
Chucky should put Suzuki into next season in all honesty. No one better to do it than the captain, but yes, it's a good point that the 4th line should be big and fast.
 

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Lafreniere at 11 but Byfield at 4?

Neither guy looks great for where they were drafted, but Byfield looks much worse. Size isn't all that valuable when you don't use it.
Tools are great for Byfield, he has some dominating shifts. He is 11 months younger than Lafreniere, his development was always going to be longer than almost everyone in this draft. He plays a more important position. Big players take longer to develop, it's not even a debate at this point. This is my opinion, I welcome others to share their lists.
 

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I think some respect needs to be given to Amirov who despite his terrible diagnosis isnt giving up, he’s still putting in work and skating everyday while undergoing treatment. He deserves to stay on these lists atleast for now.
Would you draft him right now over anyone on that list? He was the 15th pick in a very deep draft. What's happened to him is very unfortunate and I hope he gets better but id rather have all these players over him at this point.
 

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I know I'm a bit biased. But Sanderson is in no way dropping out of top 5. Especially for Quinn or Byfield.

Sanderson is arguably the best defensive d prospect not in the NHL, combine that with him posting the best PPG for u20 D in NCAA in last 25 years.

Yea, this guy not leaving top 5 in redraft, as of now. And I sure as hell aint trading him for Drysdale. I wouldn't even trade him for Raymond. But he goes firmly number 4 in a redraft, imo. 5 at worst.
It's good to like your player. Nothing wrong with that but speaking in absolutes like that just isn't an accurate way of looking at this. You should probably watch some video of Quinn and look what he is doing in the AHL. Quinn very well could be a 40 goal 100 point player in the league and Byfield has the potential to be a franchise center. Like I said in the post you quoted I think those 4 players are interchangeable any of them could end up being the best of the group and it's too early to tell. No one has a crystal ball not you or me. But we can identify them all as elite players/prospects. Drysdale is a stud so is Sanderson.
 
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Stutzilla has really improved this year. He looks very confident with the puck. Man, one can only imagine what he will be to do when he reaches his prime years.
 
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It's good to like your player. Nothing wrong with that but speaking in absolutes like that just isn't an accurate way of looking at this. You should probably watch some video of Quinn and look what he is doing in the AHL. Quinn very well could be a 40 goal 100 point player in the league and Byfield has the potential to be a franchise center. Like I said in the post you quoted I think those 4 players are interchangeable any of them could end up being the best of the group and it's too early to tell. No one has a crystal ball not you or me. But we can identify them all as elite players/prospects. Drysdale is a stud so is Sanderson.

I have. Context is important. Guy is ripping the AHL but so are a dozen others. Scoring is way up everywhere. Norris, at the exact same age, didn't have that far off a scoring impact, and was 4th in league in points. Quinn, although missing a lot of games, is 16th. 3rd or something in PPG. Nonetheless, probably good indicator of 40 goals, not of 100 points.

Sanderson, who I raved about far earlier than when we drafted him(and said could be most valuable piece of the draft), was already a top 5 selection. With his offensive showing, he's probably selected at 3/4.

Being best defensive D not in NHL AND best PPG in 25 years u-20 in NCAA on a rebuilding team????? (i think second to Fox though, albeit on significant weaker division).

No shot I trade or draft that for a winger. Especially being a whole year younger. Can't imagine what Sanderson would do in NCAA as a 20 year old. By all accounts will slot in to a pivotal top 4 role.
 

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Hopefully as he matures he will manage the puck better & he needs to use his linemates more, passing the puck gets it up the ice faster than skating it up. Good for him to stand in there & to give it back. :cf::clap:
 
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He needs strong smart wingers. Formenton and Gaudette is setting up Stutzle for disaster.

Slaf would literally be perfect.

I wonder what management think of Yurov. Could also be excellent candidate.

I haven't really done my research on C.Gauthier.
 
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Haven't been this pleased watching a prospect flourish since Karlsson. Once guys like that start figuring out the league and realizing they're actually better than most, it's awesome to see it slowly creep into their game.

Stützle's skating is so elusive he's giving defenders fits. Those quick cuts and turn backs are so hard to cover and he creates opportunities constantly from his speed and shiftiness.

Still a few things to work on but it'll all come soon enough and he'll be a superstar very shortly.
 

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He needs strong smart wingers. Formenton and Gaudette is setting up Stutzle for disaster.

Slaf would literally be perfect.

I wonder what management think of Yurov. Could also be excellent candidate.

I haven't really done my research on C.Gauthier.
I don't know anything about who you're suggesting but yeah I've been banging this drum a while too.

Formenton is too north south, Gaudette just isn't that good, a plug. Neither should be playing with your star talent level centerman.
 

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f***ing love how much he pisses of opposing players. And he doesn't even do it by being a pest, just by straight dummying with his skill level. It's hilarious.
 

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I have. Context is important. Guy is ripping the AHL but so are a dozen others. Scoring is way up everywhere. Norris, at the exact same age, didn't have that far off a scoring impact, and was 4th in league in points. Quinn, although missing a lot of games, is 16th. 3rd or something in PPG. Nonetheless, probably good indicator of 40 goals, not of 100 points.

Sanderson, who I raved about far earlier than when we drafted him(and said could be most valuable piece of the draft), was already a top 5 selection. With his offensive showing, he's probably selected at 3/4.

Being best defensive D not in NHL AND best PPG in 25 years u-20 in NCAA on a rebuilding team????? (i think second to Fox though, albeit on significant weaker division).

No shot I trade or draft that for a winger. Especially being a whole year younger. Can't imagine what Sanderson would do in NCAA as a 20 year old. By all accounts will slot in to a pivotal top 4 role.
Oh the irony.... You're either underrating Quinn massively, or you're lying about watching him or don't understand the context of how good he has been. He came up in two NHL games and was all over the ice had 5 shots in one of them. Not everyone is doing what he is doing. Norris was just over a ppg, Quinn has 59 n 43. Frankly Norris was simply not making the same types of plays, you definitely aren't watching. The most hilarious part of all of this is I said they are interchangeable and it's too early to tell but you're arrogance in the discussion isn't even open to that. You can't be objective in this one, no point in continuing this discussion.
 
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He needs strong smart wingers. Formenton and Gaudette is setting up Stutzle for disaster.

I agree with the Guadette on Stü's line take. The Formenton take is one I truly just don't know about. Formenton has so much speed and solid hands that if he can work on increasing his offensive hockey IQ the kid could be An unreal linemate. Obviously hockey IQ may be the hardest thing to just "Get better at" so it's really difficult, but it's hard to give up on a kid with wheels like that. The final thing for me potentially in favor of Formenton on Stü's line is the kid is a tough customer. He isn't a fighter, but if I remember correctly the last time the Formenton threw fists he was quite impressive. If Formenton would be okay with becoming the guy to protect/stand up for Stü when guys like Gallagher punch him in the face while Stü is on his knees, his value as linemate would go up in my book. Overall Formenton is young, but if he could be a more talented prime Wayne Simmonds, I think that would be super valuable on Stü's line.

Slaf would literally be perfect.

No doubt.
 
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