Player Discussion Tim Stützle - L̶W̶/C - Part V

[BloodRedArmy]

Picking Jarventie over Peterka seemed like a dumb move for all the reasons you mentioned. Teammates with chemistry, Peterka also plays LW, and had a better season in the german league than Jarventie did in the Finnish league.

Pretty sure the scouting staff should be axed over this blunder. If we wait to see what these kids actually look like in the NHL, it'll be too late.

 

[saskytaxi]

Tim Stutzle has entered the chat. Guy will dominate next year

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Just watched peterka on the weekend versus B Sens didn’t look like an absolute must take

PPG in the AHL as 19 year old is pretty nice.

 

[coladin]

Drysdale, Mercer, Jarvis, Quinn, Lundell are all candidates to take 5th so far since the draft happened. Drysdale is having a heck of a year he just plays in Anaheim and is overshadowed by the likes of Terry and Zagras. It was a really really good draft in terms of top end talent depth. Even Holtz, Perfetti and Rossi are developing well just not to the extent of the other guys. I am not saying Sanderson wasn't a good pick there are just other guys that also look exceptional. It was hard to miss in that range with the depth. Ironically Lafreniere might be looking like the biggest miss of all. Lundell is having a spectacular season. In a redraft I think he is a top 3 pick. His two way game is unbelievable. I'd also like to reiterate I like Sanderson at 5.

Do you not think that Lundell being on Florida pehaps inflates his numbers? I mean, he is a great player, but one can only imagine a player like Stutzle on the Florida team and the impact. I'm not sure we can say the same thing with Lundell in Ottawa

 

[Alf Silfversson]

Do you not think that Lundell being on Florida pehaps inflates his numbers? I mean, he is a great player, but one can only imagine a player like Stutzle on the Florida team and the impact. I'm not sure we can say the same thing with Lundell in Ottawa

It's so hard to tell.

I'm not so sure that Stü produces in FLA like he is in Ottawa. He just wouldn't get the opportunity he gets here with all of Florida's depth. Lundell might get that chance here.

 

[Micklebot]

PPG in the AHL as 19 year old is pretty nice.

They got a bunch of guys on that team putting up big points it seems,

Quinn 56 in 40 at 19, Rustolainin and Biro are both close to pt per game at 23 yrs old, then a couple older vets in Malone and Mersch are close too, they had Kreb before the callup, that's a high scoring team in general.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Do you not think that Lundell being on Florida pehaps inflates his numbers? I mean, he is a great player, but one can only imagine a player like Stutzle on the Florida team and the impact. I'm not sure we can say the same thing with Lundell in Ottawa

His numbers are absolutely inflated, like everyone else on the Panthers this year.

He's also a year ahead of development as a '01 compared to most of the 2020 draft class, including Stutzle.

Will be a damn good player but probably not on Stutzle's tier.

 

[Masked]

Do you not think that Lundell being on Florida pehaps inflates his numbers?

It seems like all numbers are inflated this season. I'm not sure why. Maybe expansion has watered things down and COVID issues have weakened defensive play.

Assen na yo!

 

[SquidNasty]

Almost every gm picks Stützle 1st overall in a redraft no?

 

[DrunkUncleDenis]

Almost every gm picks Stützle 1st overall in a redraft no?

With the way Raymond has been playing it might be up for debate, but since position would win out, yeah probably.

 

[bert]

Do you not think that Lundell being on Florida pehaps inflates his numbers? I mean, he is a great player, but one can only imagine a player like Stutzle on the Florida team and the impact. I'm not sure we can say the same thing with Lundell in Ottawa

He plays on the third line doesnt play with Huberdeau or Barkov. He is one of the best defensive players in the league. Doesnt get any pp1 time at all he actually isnt currently even on their second pp. But he plays on their first pk. I dont believe his numbers are inflated in the slightest. I am not sure what this has to do with Stutzle either I didnt compare the two. Didnt say id take him over Stutzle just that he would be a top 3 pick in a redraft.

 

[yogibear]

Almost every gm picks Stützle 1st overall in a redraft no?

No, some at no 2 after… Sanderson lol

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Picking Jarventie over Peterka seemed like a dumb move for all the reasons you mentioned. Teammates with chemistry, Peterka also plays LW, and had a better season in the german league than Jarventie did in the Finnish league.

Meh... Both are good prospects. Jarventie is still top 5 in pts amongst AHL U20's, he's 7 months younger than Peterka, has less pro experience, and has 4+ inches but only around 5lbs on him. If Peter becomes a stud and Jarventie becomes nothing, that's one thing, but Jarventie seems to be trending well and has a tantalizing skillset.

 

[SlapJack]

He plays on the third line doesnt play with Huberdeau or Barkov. He is one of the best defensive players in the league. Doesnt get any pp1 time at all he actually isnt currently even on their second pp. But he plays on their first pk. I dont believe his numbers are inflated in the slightest. I am not sure what this has to do with Stutzle either I didnt compare the two. Didnt say id take him over Stutzle just that he would be a top 3 pick in a redraft.

Funny how Lundell is a product of a good team, but Lafreniere is doing poorly because he's on a good team.

 

[bert]

Funny how Lundell is a product of a good team, but Lafreniere is doing poorly because he's on a good team.

Or that 'everyone is inflated..... How can every player be inflated? Someone has to cause the inflation. They are just a really good team. Lundell plays behind Barkov and Bennett but Lafreniere gets the benefit of the doubt because he plays behind Panarin and Kreider... Which one is it.

 

[SlapJack]

Or that 'everyone is inflated..... How can every player be inflated? Someone has to cause the inflation. They are just a really good team. Lundell plays behind Barkov and Bennett but Lafreniere gets the benefit of the doubt because he plays behind Panarin and Kreider... Which one is it.

I think it depends on what side of the argument is being taken.

I do believe if those 2 players switched teams, Laf might get a slight bump in stats and Lundell might not be as productive, but it would still be clear Lundell is superior right now.

The depth on Florida right now is criminal, crazy how they could get a guy like that where they did. Same with Jarvis for Carolina

 

[bert]

I think it depends on what side of the argument is being taken.

I do believe if those 2 players switched teams, Laf might get a slight bump in stats and Lundell might not be as productive, but it would still be clear Lundell is superior right now.

The depth on Florida right now is criminal, crazy how they could get a guy like that where they did. Same with Jarvis for Carolina

I think Lundell gets a bump in production, he will get PP time and probably takes the 2nd line C spot away from Strome.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Funny how Lundell is a product of a good team, but Lafreniere is doing poorly because he's on a good team.

Sens have a little history with FLA ... Dadonov and Duclair.
Lundell's done very well; I think is fair to say he exceeded expectations. Lafreniere has not met expectations.
Seems that Lundell's game was more NHL ready. We have to check back in on these two over the next couple years. If Lundell continues to outperform Lafreniere welp.. A lot of people were way more wrong than some of us trying to explain their current production.

 

[bert]

Sens have a little history with FLA ... Dadonov and Duclair.
Lundell's done very well; I think is fair to say he exceeded expectations. Lafreniere has not met expectations.
Seems that Lundell's game was more NHL ready. We have to check back in on these two over the next couple years. If Lundell continues to outperform Lafreniere welp.. A lot of people were way more wrong than some of us trying to explain their current production.

Going into the draft year Lundell was a top 5 projected pick and was a very good player as a 17 year old at the WJC. He was hurt in his draft year and apparently never played healthy. That combined with a draft that had alot of high end talent contributed to him dropping. Some questioned his offensive production at the NHL level as he isnt overly flashy. His two way play was well documented, like Stone alot of his offense comes from this defense. Hard to predict or project but makes for a very valuable player, cant teach hockey sense and apparently he has it at both ends of the ice. His goal the other night where he beats Raymond back and calls for Barkov to make the no look pass sums up the player well. Willing to work hard and communicate while executing.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Going into the draft year Lundell was a top 5 projected pick and was a very good player as a 17 year old at the WJC. He was hurt in his draft year and apparently never played healthy. That combined with a draft that had alot of high end talent contributed to him dropping. Some questioned his offensive production at the NHL level as he isnt overly flashy. His two way play was well documented, like Stone alot of his offense comes from this defense. Hard to predict or project but makes for a very valuable player, cant teach hockey sense and apparently he has it at both ends of the ice. His goal the other night where he beats Raymond back and calls for Barkov to make the no look pass sums up the player well. Willing to work hard and communicate while executing.

I watched a fair bit of Lundell in both his DY and his DY+1 .. I agree his a good player

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

As I said in another post, the Sens scouts saw a lot of Peterka so there is obviously something they saw as a red flag because he was the easy pick.

Do you think it was intangibles related ? Because in terms of play style Peterka is hard working competitive two way player. Alfie type, right in our DNA.

 

[SlapJack]

I think Lundell gets a bump in production, he will get PP time and probably takes the 2nd line C spot away from Strome.

Good point, Rangers needed a C way more than a winger.

Without that weird Covid draft, they would have probably been picking in the range Lundell was selected.

 

[Korpse]

Pretty sure the scouting staff should be axed over this blunder. If we wait to see what these kids actually look like in the NHL, it'll be too late.

If this is the standard they would have been axed with Tkachuk over Zadina and then Pinto over Kaliyev.

 

[Big Muddy]

He plays on the third line doesnt play with Huberdeau or Barkov. He is one of the best defensive players in the league. Doesnt get any pp1 time at all he actually isnt currently even on their second pp. But he plays on their first pk. I dont believe his numbers are inflated in the slightest. I am not sure what this has to do with Stutzle either I didnt compare the two. Didnt say id take him over Stutzle just that he would be a top 3 pick in a redraft.

Oddly, you can't compliment a player on another team without someone taking offense. It's a thing it seems.

 

[R2010]

If this is the standard they would have been axed with Tkachuk over Zadina and then Pinto over Kaliyev.

I'm sorry but Boucher at 10 is a pretty bad one. Tkachuk was higher on bob's list then Zadina. Lotta revisionist history of people acting like Tkachuk wasn't rated higher on Bob's final list.