Player Discussion Tim Stützle - L̶W̶/C - Part V

[Silencio]

Giving me flashbacks to the Preds who had the luxury of Suter and Weber. Yeah they were on the same pairing, but to be able to have two legitimate #1Dmen on the same roster, can't wait

Or Pronger and Niedermayer.

(too soon?)

 

[King Karl]

Or Pronger and Niedermayer.

(too soon?)

It'll always be too soon

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Found this gem while taking a look...

Holy God Almighty, that is horrific.

 

[bert]

Found this gem while taking a look...

Outside of the top 10 which was one of the deepest drafts of all time the sens had 4 seconds rounders and a late 1st. The draft is deep let's see how it goes from here. I am not ready to anoint this a good draft yet. No one isn't taking Stutzle 3. Sanderson looks good but everyone else picked around him is ripping it up. After that what picks are stand out? Not taking Peterka with the Jarventie or Grieg pick is trending toward being a massive miss.

Long way to go before we decide if this was a good draft or not.

 

[BondraTime]

Found this gem while taking a look...

He’s a joke

 

[Masked]

No one isn't taking Stutzle 3.

Bader wouldn't have taken him.



Assen na yo!

 

[bert]

Bader wouldn't have taken him.



Assen na yo!

Yeah he is an idiot. Rossi is a solid player but he should be no where near Stutzle. Teams that scouted the 67's knew he wasn't the best prospect on that team let alone a top 5 player in the draft.

 

[Oscar The Grouch]

He’s a joke

His comparable players are strange AF.

Stützle / Landeskog / Duchene ??? lol

Sanderson / Boqvist

 

[Micklebot]

Outside of the top 10 which was one of the deepest drafts of all time the sens had 4 seconds rounders and a late 1st. The draft is deep let's see how it goes from here. I am not ready to anoint this a good draft yet. No one isn't taking Stutzle 3. Sanderson looks good but everyone else picked around him is ripping it up. After that what picks are stand out? Not taking Peterka with the Jarventie or Grieg pick is trending toward being a massive miss.

Long way to go before we decide if this was a good draft or not.

Greig looks great imo, and while I agree it looks like we should have grabbed Peterka right now, there aren't many other guys I'd take ahead of Greig in that range, certainly not any I'd be critical over us passing on for him. For where he was picked, Sokolov looks like a steal, Kleven looks promising too. I agree it's a long way before you can definitively call it a good draft, but that take was way too early to call it a bad one and so far the trend imo is that take will likely look bad long term too.

There's always going to be a pick that you could have or should have taken, but for where we got our guys, they are mostly imo trending better than the expectation aside from probably Engstrand (haven't followed him at all).

 

[Maverick41]

Yeah he is an idiot. Rossi is a solid player but he should be no where near Stutzle. Teams that scouted the 67's knew he wasn't the best prospect on that team let alone a top 5 player in the draft.

I find his takes that relate to Sanderson worse than the ones concerning Stützle.

Maybe I am misunderstanding this one, but is he implying here that Slavin is not that good.
I am not a Sens fan, but would you guys be really upset if Sanderson turned into a Slavin calibre player?

 

[GCK]

Outside of the top 10 which was one of the deepest drafts of all time the sens had 4 seconds rounders and a late 1st. The draft is deep let's see how it goes from here. I am not ready to anoint this a good draft yet. No one isn't taking Stutzle 3. Sanderson looks good but everyone else picked around him is ripping it up. After that what picks are stand out? Not taking Peterka with the Jarventie or Grieg pick is trending toward being a massive miss.

Long way to go before we decide if this was a good draft or not.

With the number of picks they had it’s not surprising they swung for the fences with Jarventie who has the tools but could easily bust. There must be something they didn’t like in Peterka to skip him twice, they had a ton of viewings.

 

[Micklebot]

I find his takes that relate to Sanderson worse than the ones concerning Stützle.

Maybe I am misunderstanding this one, but is he implying here that Slavin is not that good.
I am not a Sens fan, but would you guys be really upset if Sanderson turned into a Slavin calibre player?

Yeah, he seems to be implying Slavin isn't a worthy result for a top 5 pick, and that there should be multiple better options in that draft. He's a muppet, and not the good kind...

Sanderson to me will be an absolute stud. I'm a little higher on him than many but I think he's got a chance at being the best pick in that draft, Raymond and Stutzle are the only guys I'd take ahead of him in a redraft though Drysdale is close.

 

[bert]

Yeah, he seems to be implying Slavin isn't a worthy result for a top 5 pick, and that there should be multiple better options in that draft. He's a muppet, and not the good kind...

Sanderson to me will be an absolute stud. I'm a little higher on him than many but I think he's got a chance at being the best pick in that draft, Raymond and Stutzle are the only guys I'd take ahead of him in a redraft though Drysdale is close.

Drysdale, Mercer, Jarvis, Quinn, Lundell are all candidates to take 5th so far since the draft happened. Drysdale is having a heck of a year he just plays in Anaheim and is overshadowed by the likes of Terry and Zagras. It was a really really good draft in terms of top end talent depth. Even Holtz, Perfetti and Rossi are developing well just not to the extent of the other guys. I am not saying Sanderson wasn't a good pick there are just other guys that also look exceptional. It was hard to miss in that range with the depth. Ironically Lafreniere might be looking like the biggest miss of all. Lundell is having a spectacular season. In a redraft I think he is a top 3 pick. His two way game is unbelievable. I'd also like to reiterate I like Sanderson at 5.

 

[Micklebot]

Drysdale, Mercer, Jarvis, Quinn, Lundell are all candidates to take 5th so far since the draft happened. Drysdale is having a heck of a year he just plays in Anaheim and is overshadowed by the likes of Terry and Zagras. It was a really really good draft in terms of top end talent depth. Even Holtz, Perfetti and Rossi are developing well just not to the extent of the other guys. I am not saying Sanderson wasn't a good pick there are just other guys that also look exceptional. It was hard to miss in that range with the depth. Ironically Lafreniere might be looking like the biggest miss of all. Lundell is having a spectacular season. In a redraft I think he is a top 3 pick. His two way game is unbelievable. I'd also like to reiterate I like Sanderson at 5.

Ya, no doubt there weren't a lot of opportunities to outright miss at that point. You mention Lafreniere, but Byfield hasn't made any waves yet either (though big guys like him usually take a bit longer).

After the top 10 though, I really like our picks, even if we did miss on Peterka. Not a lot of changes I'd make to that draft at this point, even with the benefit of hindsight,

 

[Masked]

Ya, no doubt there weren't a lot of opportunities to outright miss at that point. You mention Lafreniere, but Byfield hasn't made any waves yet either (though big guys like him usually take a bit longer).

Byfield was expected to be a guy who needed to time to develop. You can excuse his production because of injuries and needing time to develop.

Laf was supposed to be able to step right in and produce. The guy was hyped as one of those really good #1 picks. Not McDavid or Crosby good but next level down from that. Now he's looking like a guy who maybe should have been picked at #10.

Assen na yo!

 

[Alf Silfversson]

Ya, no doubt there weren't a lot of opportunities to outright miss at that point. You mention Lafreniere, but Byfield hasn't made any waves yet either (though big guys like him usually take a bit longer).

After the top 10 though, I really like our picks, even if we did miss on Peterka. Not a lot of changes I'd make to that draft at this point, even with the benefit of hindsight,

I am OK with how we picked after the first round as well. I'm not a huge Kleven fan, unlike many on here, but he's a pretty standard 2nd rounder and has progressed like you'd expect, IMO. An NHL career is a real possibility. The only real beef I have is with trading up to get him. Givng up what basically amounts to two 2nd round picks for a player like this seems like a bad idea. For what we gave up for him we could have traded for an established youngish D who is already right around Kleven's ceiling.

At that point in the draft I think you just take two shots instead of one at finding an NHL player unless you see an absolute, blue chip, star sitting there waiting to be picked. Tyler Kleven is 99.5% not going to be an NHL star. Very few 44th OA picks are.

 

[UglyPuckling]

Yeah, he seems to be implying Slavin isn't a worthy result for a top 5 pick, and that there should be multiple better options in that draft. He's a muppet, and not the good kind...

Sanderson to me will be an absolute stud. I'm a little higher on him than many but I think he's got a chance at being the best pick in that draft, Raymond and Stutzle are the only guys I'd take ahead of him in a redraft though Drysdale is close.

That is the impression I got as well. I'd wonder who he thinks is a good defenseman then. Not sure that person is good at evaluating players.

 

[bert]

Ya, no doubt there weren't a lot of opportunities to outright miss at that point. You mention Lafreniere, but Byfield hasn't made any waves yet either (though big guys like him usually take a bit longer).

After the top 10 though, I really like our picks, even if we did miss on Peterka. Not a lot of changes I'd make to that draft at this point, even with the benefit of hindsight,

I have watched a few L.A games you can see the raw ability for Byfield, his skating for his size and his length is very unique. I dont think he is going to be a miss, longer development curve for sure he is also a late birthday I think August? Lafreniere just doesnt seem to have the same motor as he did in jr. His development is really strange. I mean he could easily get it together but he needs to work on his explosiveness.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Drysdale, Mercer, Jarvis, Quinn, Lundell are all candidates to take 5th so far since the draft happened. Drysdale is having a heck of a year he just plays in Anaheim and is overshadowed by the likes of Terry and Zagras. It was a really really good draft in terms of top end talent depth. Even Holtz, Perfetti and Rossi are developing well just not to the extent of the other guys. I am not saying Sanderson wasn't a good pick there are just other guys that also look exceptional. It was hard to miss in that range with the depth. Ironically Lafreniere might be looking like the biggest miss of all. Lundell is having a spectacular season. In a redraft I think he is a top 3 pick. His two way game is unbelievable. I'd also like to reiterate I like Sanderson at 5.

Very strong draft. I think Lafreniere will figure it out. He stepped into a better team definitely playing behind Kreider and Panarin on the left wing. He is getting 3rd line minutes.. Not saying he has not been a little disappointing. He was a clear cut #1 pick in the draft. I don't think you'd find 5% of scouts to say different.
Speed is a factor. I would still love to buy low on him if that was at all possible. Kakko (2019) has been more disappointing imo. I remember the Finnish fans talking about how he should go 1OA .. playing with men.
I like the Sanderson pick at 5. I would have been fine with Drysdale as well.. I was a little on the fence between those 2. In the 2019 draft it looks like Boldy should have gone higher. Very good player .

Lundell, Jarvis and Mercer were all great picks where they were taken. Still time for some of them to pan out.
I think Guhle will prove to be a good pick. Schneider has been very good.

Sens did well at 28 with Greig. I think Kleven will pan out .. some more development required, I would have liked to see him jump to the AHL but the good NCAA programs have proven to be good development environments with many players stepping into the NHL and looking like they belong. Merilainen also looks like he could be good.

Buffalo should continue to improve with Cozens, Quinn, Krebs, Peterka and Power all coming

If Stutzle went 1OA .. at this point .. I think the hockey world would approve. Sky's the limit with him.

 

[Micklebot]

I have watched a few L.A games you can see the raw ability for Byfield, his skating for his size and his length is very unique. I dont think he is going to be a miss, longer development curve for sure he is also a late birthday I think August? Lafreniere just doesnt seem to have the same motor as he did in jr. His development is really strange. I mean he could easily get it together but he needs to work on his explosiveness.

I don't think skill set was ever in question for Byfield (at least not for me), it's more of a case of whether he can apply them at this level with the increased pace and intensity. I think he will be a good player, but we'll have to wait and see.

Completely agree wrt Lafreniere, not sure how to explain what's happening with him

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

The 2020 draft was great but could have been perfect if they just take Peterka. And they had two chances.

And just ignoring that Peterka is an incredible high IQ and competitive player, did they not see his natural chemistry with Stutzle?

And this shouldn't be a reason to draft/sign anyone i know, but as a bonus I feel like it would be easier to retain Stutzle if we have Peterka.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

The 2020 draft was great but could have been perfect if they just take Peterka. And they had two chances.

And just ignoring that Peterka is an incredible high IQ and competitive player, did they not see his natural chemistry with Stutzle?

And this shouldn't be a reason to draft/sign anyone i know, but as a bonus I feel like it would be easier to retain Stutzle if we have Peterka.

Just watched peterka on the weekend versus B Sens didn’t look like an absolute must take

 

[GCK]

The 2020 draft was great but could have been perfect if they just take Peterka. And they had two chances.

And just ignoring that Peterka is an incredible high IQ and competitive player, did they not see his natural chemistry with Stutzle?

And this shouldn't be a reason to draft/sign anyone i know, but as a bonus I feel like it would be easier to retain Stutzle if we have Peterka.

As I said in another post, the Sens scouts saw a lot of Peterka so there is obviously something they saw as a red flag because he was the easy pick.

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

I find his takes that relate to Sanderson worse than the ones concerning Stützle.

Maybe I am misunderstanding this one, but is he implying here that Slavin is not that good.
I am not a Sens fan, but would you guys be really upset if Sanderson turned into a Slavin calibre player?

If he turns into Slavin, we should all be ecstatic.

 

[bicboi64]

The 2020 draft was great but could have been perfect if they just take Peterka. And they had two chances.

And just ignoring that Peterka is an incredible high IQ and competitive player, did they not see his natural chemistry with Stutzle?

And this shouldn't be a reason to draft/sign anyone i know, but as a bonus I feel like it would be easier to retain Stutzle if we have Peterka.

Picking Jarventie over Peterka seemed like a dumb move for all the reasons you mentioned. Teammates with chemistry, Peterka also plays LW, and had a better season in the german league than Jarventie did in the Finnish league.