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Player Discussion Tim Stützle - L̶W̶/C - Part V

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GCK said:
I’m laying down the line for Stutzle point totals this season. Current 13 and 20. 26 games left.
Goals 20
Assist 35

Give me your Over/Under for each.
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Hmmm...just under PPG the rest of the way...with our schedule softening a bit in the next while I think it is attainable.

If we get Batherson back and he can play with Forms/Brown for any extended time then he has a very good chance.

55 points in 1st full season (full sched/with Covid isses on team/injuries to top F) while also moving to C and showing improvement is a pretty damn fine season IMO and bodes well for the future.

I will say over for both.
 
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To be honest. For truly skilled players, it is extremely easy to get a point per game. You just have to slow your game down, get separation from the defence with your skating, keep them guessing all the time, not forcing a play, take attention to yourself and wait when other players will open with a highway space to the net.
Even Zaitsev will score with all the time and space given to him. Do not try too hard along the boards, leave it for playoffs, save your energy for bursts during a shift. Ask your wingers to look for you, before making any passes, what Gretzky and Lemieux
were asking all the time. Mario would literally take a head off if his wingers would not give him a puck back and just dump it in or not making an effort to make a good pass to him in the OZ. Stutzle should take charge in a locker room, to give some crap to his plumbers to make at least an effort of a smart play in OZ and give him a puck back.
 
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This kid is hacked, tripped and held more than just about any player I've ever seen in a Sens uniform. Shame the refs have decided to label him a diver, it seems to be the only way he can get them to make even the most obvious calls.
 
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To be honest. For truly skilled players, it is extremely easy to get a point per game. You just have to slow your game down, get separation from the defence with your skating, keep them guessing all the time, not forcing a play, take attention to yourself and wait when other players will open with a highway space to the net.
Even Zaitsev will score with all the time and space given to him. Do not try too hard along the boards, leave it for playoffs, save your energy for bursts during a shift. Ask your wingers to look for you, before making any passes, what Gretzky and Lemieux
were asking all the time. Mario would literally take a head off if his wingers would not give him a puck back and just dump it in or not making an effort to make a good pass to him in the OZ. Stutzle should take charge in a locker room, to give some crap to his plumbers to make at least an effort of a smart play in OZ and give him a puck back.
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Just some ground breaking content here. You should coach, maybe teach these amateurs how to play the game. Scoring a ppg is never easy lol. You don't think that these players are looking for each other. That they don't want to give their best players the puck. Unbelievable content. It's crazy how clueless people are to how good these guys actually are and how hard the NHL is to score in. You can truly tell who has played or even plays at all.
 
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BankStreetParade said:
This kid is hacked, tripped and held more than just about any player I've ever seen in a Sens uniform. Shame the refs have decided to label him a diver, it seems to be the only way he can get them to make even the most obvious calls.
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I agree, and the reputation seems to be leading to some obvious missed calls. That said, He's a bit of a hacker himself, wonder if that plays into it.
 
BankStreetParade said:
This kid is hacked, tripped and held more than just about any player I've ever seen in a Sens uniform. Shame the refs have decided to label him a diver, it seems to be the only way he can get them to make even the most obvious calls.
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Do you remember a game years ago when Havlat got mugged twice by Phily? The third time he dropped the guy with an elbow and He got called for elbowing! It was on one shift.
 
I'd like him to get some more calls, but it is definitely one thing I would like to see Timmy improve upon. He goes down a lot. Not just when he is taken down by the opposition. Not sure if that means some extra strength training or balance oriented drills. Reminds me a little of Vermette in that way.
 
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He goes down even on his own a lot. It’s pretty crazy how often he falls
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Brady Tkachuk used to fall more than anyone during his first two seasons; then he got stronger, and now he barely falls. Stutzle is in the same boat, even though he is not weak, he is fairly lanky for his height and needs to increase his leg strength and core in order to become the dominant force we think he can be.

His mind and body are on two different levels right now, and it is making him look bad sometimes. Once his body catches up to his elite hockey brain, he is going to be unstoppable when he gets going.
 
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TheDebater said:
Brady Tkachuk used to fall more than anyone during his first two seasons; then he got stronger, and now he barely falls. Stutzle is in the same boat, even though he is not weak, he is fairly lanky for his height and needs to increase his leg strength and core in order to become the dominant force we think he can be.

His mind and body are on two different levels right now, and it is making him look bad sometimes. Once his body catches up to his elite hockey brain, he is going to be unstoppable when he gets going.
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Tkatchuk falls cuz he’s wild. And sure strength is definitely an issue.

Stutzle was so suppose to be this beautiful skater but he blows a tire just turning
 
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Burrowsaurus said:
Tkatchuk falls cuz he’s wild. And sure strength is definitely an issue.

Stutzle was so suppose to be this beautiful skater but he blows a tire just turning
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He looks like an amazing skater.

He falls because he’s doing things at high speed. I think he’s still testing his limits at the NHL level, and his limits will expand as he gets stronger.
 
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Another report on Stutzle's progression in NHL.

Excellent.
Tim is doing better and better at carrying a puck and developing breakouts. His elusiveness along the boards is excellent. Quick pivots are Crosby's level. I would say his ability now to cary a puck through the middle in a traffic to the OZ is top five in a league. Tim desperately needs wingers with some kind of creativity, who can support him with a pass, who are actually looking for him to pass and make some kind of plays. And can actually shoot the puck. It is still a pressing problem number one, to develop Tim as a top five NHL centre, which could be addressed at the draft table. If Dorion has any IQ at all.

Still a work in progress.
Tim has to work on one-timers. It is not a factor at all during the PP time. Tim could fill the buckets, when there are will be two threats for one timers on the PP. It will open a lot of ice. HIs whole training sessions should be - one-timing pucks for an hour every day. He also has to work on his wrister precision. Tim has to stop taking himself out of the play by making hits in OZ during forechecks. It is idiocy, no skilled centres in the league do that. Please stop Tim. Save this stuff for the first round of playoffs and half of the second round. That's it. Whatever DJ is telling you it is counter productive. That's not your game. You game is to pick up loose pucks in the defensive zone and develop a breakout with your skating and puck handling skills. I understand, when you enter with a puck in the OZ, there is absolutely no-one to pass the puck but only defence. Your wingers do not support you, they do not know how to trail behind you for a drop pass. They do not understand really the cycle system and how to get open during the rush. Formenton has a tunnel vision and just a good to excellent special teams player. But do not try to do it all alone and losing pucks in a heavy traffic in OZ, just dump it to the corner for your wingers and support the boards. If I would be DJ, I would play Tim with Zub, Chabot or Branny, who are actually better at cycling than any wingers we have outside Tkachuk and may be Paul.
 
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I hope people realize that when Stützle started in the NHL, he was still very far from being a finished product. He was just too good to play anywhere else. Usually players this raw play in junior then in the AHL. Not the guys who have elite talent.

He'll need different linemates though. I love Formenton and Brown, they are really awesome players but play a different type of game. Stützle needs to play with guys like Batherson.

Problem is Norris also needs Batherson. If we could clone the Drake

Tkachuk - Norris - Batherson
Greig - Stutzle - Batherson
Formenton - Pinto - Brown
Crookshank - Paul - Sokolov
Kelly/Kastelic

Dayum
 
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One of the reasons Stuetzle falls so frequently is because of what he is trying to do on his skates. He's cutting back and shifting direction at really high speed even by NHL standards and it's leaving dmen with little option but to stick their stick in there. It doesn't take much to trip a guy when both feet are in the air. He drew a penalty that way last night in the 3rd. It's also why you see dmen giving it the old "I barely touched him" on their way to the box. He'll get stronger and it will help somewhat but I suspect he'll learn to give himself an extra foot on those moves.
 
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Missed the last few games. Sounds like the top line's becoming Tkachuk - Norris - Joseph/Batherson.
How's our second line of what sounds like Formenton - Stutzle - Batherson/Brown (50/50 minutes over last two games) been looking?
 
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Missed the last few games. Sounds like the top line's becoming Tkachuk - Norris - Joseph/Batherson.
How's our second line of what sounds like Formenton - Stutzle - Batherson/Brown (50/50 minutes over last two games) been looking?
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I'd like to see an extended look of these lines.

Tkachuk Norris Joseph
Formenton Stutzle Batherson
Gaudette White Brown
Tierney Gambrell Watson
 
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bert said:
I'd like to see an extended look of these lines.

Tkachuk Norris Joseph
Formenton Stutzle Batherson
Gaudette White Brown
Tierney Gambrell Watson
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I see 4 guys in the bottom six to be replaced, and Formenton should’ve on a third line.

I’ll tell you what, I miss wrecking ball Kelly on that fourth line. That guy is a missile.
 
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