Player Discussion Tim Stützle - L̶W̶/C - Part V

[DueDiligence]

After drafting him and seeing him at the WJC I remember hoping we could develop him into an Ovechkin type (in terms of having comparable physicality to Ovie) and from watching him this season that potential is seeming increasingly realistic.

No offense but that is a big leap. There is not one other forward that combines the skill and physicality that Ovie brings.

 

[DueDiligence]

Stutzle skills wise is a bonafide top 10 centres in the league. He has to be used properly. We need a coach in a fold like Martin St. Louis

Give me a break. A guy like Martin St. Louis who has been a pro head coach for 6 games??? Dam silly comparison.

 

[RAFI BOMB]

Ovechkin is just one a different level though when it comes to a big and heavy player that can skill skate and be elite.

Ovechkin is built pretty thick and I feel like in order for Timmy to get that type of strength and he would have to put on way more muscle and I am not sure that it would not affect his overall quickness and speed.

Very few players in NHL history can be both heavy and fast like Ovechkin is.

I would say a Ryan Getzlaf might be more of a comparison but I do think Stützle is a better skater than Getzlaf.

Stützle doesn't have Ovechkin's size but he will be a strong player as he physically matures and he has similar speed and agility to Ovechkin. In watching this compilation of Ovechkin hits, in my opinion I had seen Stützle attempt hits that look fairly similar. I think as he gets stronger his physicality will start to stand out more. Over the next stretch of games just watch the kinds of hits Stützle attempts and then think what they might look like when he his physically stronger and bigger.

 

[Micklebot]

Stützle doesn't have Ovechkin's size but he will be a strong player as he physically matures and he has similar speed and agility to Ovechkin. In watching this compilation of Ovechkin hits, in my opinion I had seen Stützle attempt hits that look fairly similar. I think as he gets stronger his physicality will start to stand out more. Over the next stretch of games just watch the kinds of hits Stützle attempts and then think what they might look like when he his physically stronger and bigger.

Honestly, if you're looking at a physical winger that he could hypothetical develop into I think Peter Forsberg is a better comparison, OV is an absolute horse and Stützle will never match his combination of tools, but I think if it all were to perfectly come together, he has the tools that could develop into a Forsberg clone

 

[Silencio]

I think Hossa is a decent Stutzle comparison in terms of playmaking and physicality. They also put up similar numbers in their first two seasons.

 

[TheDebater]

I really don't see Getzlaf at all... He's a way better skater and not comparable in terms of playmaking. Are you just using him in terms of physicality?

Why are they not comparably in terms of playmaking?

I see Getzlaf because of his combination of playmaking, scoring, defensive awareness and physicality as a center who put up pretty good point totals without being recognized as a purely offensive player.

Getzlaf is/was a bit bigger than Stutzle for sure, but I see Timmy becoming an excellent two-way center who will still put up great offensive numbers but maybe never top of the league numbers. He is a better passer than he is a shooter and with a bit more physical maturing he will be dominant with puck on his stick and will be tough to knock off, just like Getzlaf.

Anyway, maybe I am seeing Getzlaf today, and it could change tomorrow but I do not think it is that bad of a comparison to be honest.

 

[Micklebot]

Why are they not comparably in terms of playmaking?

I see Getzlaf because of his combination of playmaking, scoring, defensive awareness and physicality as a center who put up pretty good point totals without being recognized as a purely offensive player.

Getzlaf is/was a bit bigger than Stutzle for sure, but I see Timmy becoming an excellent two-way center who will still put up great offensive numbers but maybe never top of the league numbers. He is a better passer than he is a shooter and with a bit more physical maturing he will be dominant with puck on his stick and will be tough to knock off, just like Getzlaf.

Anyway, maybe I am seeing Getzlaf today, and it could change tomorrow but I do not think it is that bad of a comparison to be honest.

Getzlaf is imo an absolute elite playmaker, I see Stützle as being more jack of all trades, his playmaking is very good, just not at the pinnacle of elite like Getzlaf. Maybe I'm wrong and Stützle ends up being among the top playmakers of his generation like Getzlaf was, I just don't see it right now.

 

[Cosmix]

Getzlaf is imo an absolute elite playmaker, I see Stützle as being more jack of all trades, his playmaking is very good, just not at the pinnacle of elite like Getzlaf. Maybe I'm wrong and Stützle ends up being among the top playmakers of his generation like Getzlaf was, I just don't see it right now.

I agree and don't see much of Getzlaf in Stutzle; the Forsberg comparison is more of what I see in Stutzle.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

I agree and don't see much of Getzlaf in Stutzle; the Forsberg comparison is more of what I see in Stutzle.

My fav player of all-time.

 

[Big Muddy]

I think Hossa is a decent Stutzle comparison in terms of playmaking and physicality. They also put up similar numbers in their first two seasons.

Yes perhaps. This comparison seems closer than the one to Ovechkin imho.

Ovechkin is 6 ft 3 inches and weighs 235 pounds. Stutzle (right now) is 6 ft (also have seen 6 ft. 1 inch on some sites) and 190 lbs. Ovechkin is a tank by comparison.

 

[OD99]

Honestly, if you're looking at a physical winger that he could hypothetical develop into I think Peter Forsberg is a better comparison, OV is an absolute horse and Stützle will never match his combination of tools, but I think if it all were to perfectly come together, he has the tools that could develop into a Forsberg clone

That would be incredible.

Forsberg was a machine at holding the puck and shielding it with his body and I think he entered the NHL D+3 so next year for Stu would line up with that.

Stu needs to get a much stronger base but I don't doubt he will put the work in.

Norris as our Sakic (just as being shooters)

Greig as Claude Lemieux

Who is our Drury?

Kleven as our Foote?

Just missing Roy and Blake...

 

[Silencio]

Who is our Drury?

Brady I guess, or maybe Connor Brown.

 

[Six Assets]

12 g/17 a/29 points in 53 games. exact same as last season.

 

[Blacephalon]

12 g/17 a/29 points in 53 games. exact same as last season.

Made massive strides in his defensive game which is nice. Hopefully more offence follows.

 

[playasRus]

Stutzle is closer to Turris in strength, than Ovechkin.

 

[Adrianopolous]

12 g/17 a/29 points in 53 games. exact same as last season.

He started slow but has picked it up. Other than that brief period we haven't seen consistent production from him. If his good stretches and bad stretches consistently leave us with 50ish point seasons, then I think we can declare him a disappointment. We'll see how he finishes this year and starts next year.

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

Stutzle is closer to Turris in strength, than Ovechkin.

Hopefully that changes. He just turned 20 a few weeks ago.

 

[Nova Stutzlia]

12 g/17 a/29 points in 53 games. exact same as last season.

Starting Dec. 4 (game #22 - start of 2nd quarter) he's had 21 points in 32 games for a P/GP average of 0.65.6.
Also, starting Mar. 10 the Sens have a relatively easier schedule of opponents (although going by yesterday's result ...)

 

[Tuna99]

Stutzle is closer to Turris in strength, than Ovechkin.

Ouchy Ouch - why’d you have to do Jimmy like this?

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Stutzle is closer to Turris in strength, than Ovechkin.

He's won more puck battles this year than Turris did his whole career. I have no qualms whatsoever.

 

[Tuna99]

He's won more puck battles this year than Turris did his whole career. I have no qualms whatsoever.

Turris has a better shot maybe?

 

[Answer]

He started slow but has picked it up. Other than that brief period we haven't seen consistent production from him. If his good stretches and bad stretches consistently leave us with 50ish point seasons, then I think we can declare him a disappointment. We'll see how he finishes this year and starts next year.

He doesn't get to play with 1st line players for more than half the season.

Sometimes you need your line-mates to help you out during those bad patches. Unfortunately, he doesn't have those kind of line-mates

Zibanejad is a prime example. Flirting with 40-50 points when he was in Ottawa, playing up and down the line-up with all sort of players.

As soon as he went to Rangers, everything changed for him. Only difference is, he consistently had 1st line or top 6 players to be alongside

 

[GCK]

He doesn't get to play with 1st line players for more than half the season.

Sometimes you need your line-mates to help you out during those bad patches. Unfortunately, he doesn't have those kind of line-mates

Zibanejad is a prime example. Flirting with 40-50 points when he was in Ottawa, playing up and down the line-up with all sort of players.

As soon as he went to Rangers, everything changed for him. Only difference is, he consistently had 1st line or top 6 players to be alongside

Actually Zibanejad didn’t really breakout until his 3rd season in New York.

 

[Answer]

Actually Zibanejad didn’t really breakout until his 3rd season in New York.

Yes, it is also true that production and consistency is also dependent on the line-mates you play with, unless you're generational type of player, or close to that.

 

[bicboi64]

I'm happy with Stu's development. Same point production as last year but finally playing centre with meh linemates with significant strides in his defensive game. I expect next year for him to have a leap in points and he still has a legit chance to be our best offensive forward since Spezza