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Player Discussion Tim Stützle - L̶W̶/C - Part V

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I liked him better on the wing, I hate watching him cover the defensive side up by the blue line while Brown and Formenton are in deep trying to score.
 
supsens said:
I liked him better on the wing, I hate watching him cover the defensive side up by the blue line while Brown and Formenton are in deep trying to score.
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That's nothing to do with him being a center and it isn't him covering up the defensive side. Teams are using the top of the zone more often as an attacking strategy, having that F3 at the top of zone acting as a distributor causes a lot of chaos.
 
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Guuse said:
That's nothing to do with him being a center and it isn't him covering up the defensive side. Teams are using the top of the zone more often as an attacking strategy, having that F3 at the top of zone acting as a distributor causes a lot of chaos.
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They were exposed with teams rotating out high and using 3 players at the top of the zone earlier this year
 
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Guuse said:
That's nothing to do with him being a center and it isn't him covering up the defensive side. Teams are using the top of the zone more often as an attacking strategy, having that F3 at the top of zone acting as a distributor causes a lot of chaos.
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I like his speed and would rather seems him bust out of the corner to the front of the net Hossa style. It’s just my personal preference. I like the high speed high skilled guys on the wing And yes he stays high for defensive reasons, nobody wants to get caught with three guys deep
 
supsens said:
I like his speed and would rather seems him bust out of the corner to the front of the net Hossa style. It’s just my personal preference. I like the high speed high skilled guys on the wing And yes he stays high for defensive reasons, nobody wants to get caught with three guys deep
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I can understand your logic here. I thought the same for the start of the season, I thought it was a bad idea to put him at C but I was wrong. I think there's a pretty substantial difference on how he played at wing compared to how he's been playing lately. The biggest thing seems to be that he thrives when he has the puck more. He's a player that was used to being better than anyone on the ice growing up so he naturally had the puck a ton compared to now in the NHL. At center he has the opportunity to control the play a lot more and he's also very good at transitioning which is probably our biggest weakness. He's not perfect at all, and he still has things to develop but it'll come.

With how he's looked at center and considering how hard it is to acquire top quality centers, I personally think it would be smart to let him round out his game at that position.

To play devils advocate, I also think having Paul as a center was never going to work. Paul is a great forechecker and defensive forward but he's not a guy that we can use to generate offense (and regardless - Paul was terrible all-around on that line). Maybe with Pinto things would be different. Formenton seems like a pretty big upgrade on that line compared to Paul.

If I'm the GM I probably want to have Stutzle at center. If the day comes where we have three solid enough centers and he doesn't need to play there then I would slot him back at wing but I'd definitely be reluctant. I'd probably rather see Greig on Stutzle's wing, I think he could bring a lot to the table.
 
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Boud said:
I can understand your logic here. I thought the same for the start of the season, I thought it was a bad idea to put him at C but I was wrong. I think there's a pretty substantial difference on how he played at wing compared to how he's been playing lately. The biggest thing seems to be that he thrives when he has the puck more. He's a player that was used to being better than anyone on the ice growing up so he naturally had the puck a ton compared to now in the NHL. At center he has the opportunity to control the play a lot more and he's also very good at transitioning which is probably our biggest weakness. He's not perfect at all, and he still has things to develop but it'll come.

With how he's looked at center and considering how hard it is to acquire top quality centers, I personally think it would be smart to let him round out his game at that position.

To play devils advocate, I also think having Paul as a center was never going to work. Paul is a great forechecker and defensive forward but he's not a guy that we can use to generate offense (and regardless - Paul was terrible all-around on that line). Maybe with Pinto things would be different. Formenton seems like a pretty big upgrade on that line compared to Paul.

If I'm the GM I probably want to have Stutzle at center. If the day comes where we have three solid enough centers and he doesn't need to play there then I would slot him back at wing but I'd definitely be reluctant. I'd probably rather see Greig on Stutzle's wing, I think he could bring a lot to the table.
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He is a good player, I thought he looked unreal on the wing too tho, just a lot of bad luck. The points I guess matter but he should have had a lot more at the start. As long as he keeps getting better I don’t care where they play him.
 
I consider us lucky that Stützle was considered a winger in his draft year, because if he was projected as a center he would have probably gone 1st overall to NY that year.
 
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He was viewed as a potential center by a lot of people/scouts out there,
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Yes I know, but potential center, and being an actual pure bred locked and loaded center (MacKinnon, McDavid, Matthews, Hughes etc.) is a little different and probably the reason why Byfield went #2.

I just think if Stützle sticks at center, we have literally drafted an elite franchise #1 center which few teams in the league actually have.
 
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TheDebater said:
Yes I know, but potential center, and being an actual pure bred locked and loaded center (MacKinnon, McDavid, Matthews, Hughes etc.) is a little different and probably the reason why Byfield went #2.

I just think if Stützle sticks at center, we have literally drafted an elite franchise #1 center which few teams in the league actually have.
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I like jimmy but he is just barely over .5 ppg. I hope he keeps on keeping on but those guys you mentioned are on another level
 
bert said:
He is 19 years old did you not understand any of the context of the article?
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Do you not understand Mathews scored goals at the same rate jimmy scores points? Mcdavid put up 100 points his second year after going point per His first year and MacKinnon who had a slow start put up 63 points his first year
I didn’t read the article and I don’t care what it says
 
supsens said:
Do you not understand Mathews scored goals at the same rate jimmy scores points? Mcdavid put up 100 points his second year after going point per His first year and MacKinnon who had a slow start put up 63 points his first year
I didn’t read the article and I don’t care what it says
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Glad you continued to post about it. You're such a great contributor around here. Its your ball and you are going to take it home whether we like it or not!
 
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supsens said:
Do you not understand Mathews scored goals at the same rate jimmy scores points? Mcdavid put up 100 points his second year after going point per His first year and MacKinnon who had a slow start put up 63 points his first year
I didn’t read the article and I don’t care what it says
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The article is pretty good, and doesn’t compare his production to Matthews, McDavid and MacKinnon - it actually uses Barkov, Draisaitl, Lecavalier and Seguin - still elite centremen but it’s a bit more fair than comparing him to the three best centres in the NHL (although I guess you could put Draisaitl in there too).
 
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supsens said:
Do you not understand Mathews scored goals at the same rate jimmy scores points? Mcdavid put up 100 points his second year after going point per His first year and MacKinnon who had a slow start put up 63 points his first year
I didn’t read the article and I don’t care what it says
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This feel like you aren't having an honest discussion. Do you really believe anyone is looking to compare McDavid to Jimmy? McJesus, a prodigy since he could skate who is putting up Gretzky like stats?

Obviously the commentary is that with Jimmy moving to C and going .5PPG as a teenager across 2 seasons so far we can be optimistic about his potential.
 
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Tim is the most talented player we’ve had since Karlsson. Watching him grow has been treat. He’s already the best playmaker on the team and his defensive game has drastically improved in less than a season’s worth of games. His shot is already good but when he learns to get it off quicker and with a little more velocity he will be the definition of a dual threat, ala Patty Kane
 
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