Player Discussion Tim Stützle - L̶W̶/C - Part V

[DJB]

He will be playing with Pinto he does not need first line minutes it will push that contract way to high too soon

Can't worry about contract. Need to worry about properly developing him and his confidence.

 

[supsens]

Can't worry about contract. Need to worry about properly developing him and his confidence.

They even gave mathews a couple years of shelter, he is young let him develop a bit, the NHL is a tough place when you are "the guy". I can't see how that will help him develop

 

[GCK]

I’m hoping Stu stays at centre. Easier to add wingers than centres.

 

[topshelf15]

I’m hoping Stu stays at centre. Easier to add wingers than centres.

His passing ability ,vision and creativity , is kinda is wasted at LW...Would love this too

 

[Sensinitis]

His passing ability ,vision and creativity , is kinda is wasted at LW...Would love this too

He’s also amazing at breakouts. Major waste having him on the boards

 

[Wondercarrot]

He’s 100% a center.
It emphasizes the strongest parts of his game, and de-emphasizes the weakest.

Though I did love Stutzle with Pinto, this is better and solves all our center issues. Unless we draft Wright I don’t see how Stutzle moves back to wing.
Giroux mostly plays LW, move Formenton over, or if Sokolov were ready in a year or two.
This is an outstanding forward group.
Wveryone slotted really well etc.

Tkachuk Norris Bath
Giroux Stutzle Formenton
Paul Pinto Brown

 

[topshelf15]

He’s 100% a center.
It emphasizes the strongest parts of his game, and de-emphasizes the weakest.

Though I did love Stutzle with Pinto, this is better and solves all our center issues. Unless we draft Wright I don’t see how Stutzle moves back to wing.
Giroux mostly plays LW, move Formenton over, or if Sokolov were ready in a year or two.
This is an outstanding forward group.
Wveryone slotted really well etc.

Tkachuk Norris Bath
Giroux Stutzle Formenton
Paul Pinto Brown

Real nice blend,some size ,skill and speed in that top 9

 

[supsens]

I think our first line will be our first / second line for years to come for a year where it doesnt matter to much id like to keep them together and build that chemistry. I want them to have that Sedin-Sedin chemistry.

I think Paul definitely looks more fit for the 3rd line and truthfully dont see much chemistry with Stu and Brown but given what we got i think Form Stu Brown is our best bet

I don't know if money puck is right but

Norris, Batherson, Tkachuk 174 minutes 4.82 GoalsPer60
Mcdavid,Drai,Pulj 128 mins 4.22 GP60
Ovechkin Kuz,wilson 252 minutes 4.75 GP60.
Marchand Berg Pasta 213 minutes 3.37 GP60

Who still says Norris isn't/wont be a top line center?

 

[HSF]

I don't know if money puck is right but

Norris, Batherson, Tkachuk 174 minutes 4.82 GoalsPer60
Mcdavid,Drai,Pulj 128 mins 4.22 GP60
Ovechkin Kuz,wilson 252 minutes 4.75 GP60.
Marchand Berg Pasta 213 minutes 3.37 GP60

Who still says Norris isn't/wont be a top line center?

I think Batherson and Tkachuk are very good I am still not sure if Norris is a 1c or 2c on a contending team which is what we want to be.

I hope we keep Timmy at C and see him take the 1C role

 

[supsens]

I think Batherson and Tkachuk are very good I am still not sure if Norris is a 1c or 2c on a contending team which is what we want to be.

I hope we keep Timmy at C and see him take the 1C role

They are one of the most productive lines in Hockey, if producing better than Edmonton's top line with the two best players on the planet isn't good enough... what is?

 

[DJB]

They even gave mathews a couple years of shelter, he is young let him develop a bit, the NHL is a tough place when you are "the guy". I can't see how that will help him develop

Sheltering him is one thing but being saddled with two guys that can barely pass or handle the puck is in no way good for his confidence or development

 

[supsens]

Sheltering him is one thing but being saddled with two guys that can barely pass or handle the puck is in no way good for his confidence or development

Lots of rookies start out with third line players it's normal.

 

[OD99]

I’m hoping Stu stays at centre. Easier to add wingers than centres.

He has already proven he can play C in the NHL and that is after being thrust in to the role with 3rd line players while playing 2nd line competition.

The team would be foolish to put him back at W unless something really incredible happens. Of all the things that would be a nice trouble to have is that we have too many good, young C.

Have to believe that with current C we have that White is now a winger.

If we get fortunate and win the lottery and get Wright then he probably starts out as...what...4th line C? Norris/Jimmy/Pinto/Wright?

Would need to sort something out with that but happy to have to make it work.

 

[SensFactor]

Please sign Ottawa boy Giroux in the offseason...that is all

 

[InTkachukWeTrust]

Giroux GirouxGirouxGiroux girouxxxx girouxxx

 

[Cosmix]

Stutzle isn't ready for top line C..... yet. His play at C should be applauded though. He is not the 3rd cog on that line. Its not perfect or finished by any means but statistically vs wing with Paul at C .. the offensive stats of the line have shot up. He drives play on that line. If they continue to use him at C I think he should get some looks there towards the end of the year just to see how it goes. Next year at some point we may see more of it. He lacks strength and his D play is still a work in progress but there is no question on who the more dynamic player is imo .. will his continued development translate to a 1C .. The possibility shouldn't be discounted if the options remain the same.

IMO the issue now is the quality of the depth we have to play with him. Brown is ok. Paul is playing up above his ideal role. Formenton isn't ready and has to round out his game. Ennis is not a 2nd line NHL forward. Sanford's engagement level is too inconsistent.

I would try Stutzle with C. Brown and Formenton. C. Brown and Formenton can be useful both in the D and O zones.

Regarding Sanford, he has been virtually non-existant. He has size and strength but does not use it.

 

[Wallet Inspector]

Stutzle
Norris
Pinto

Imagine not wanting that as our centre group for the next decade

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Please sign Ottawa boy Giroux in the offseason...that is all

Giroux GirouxGirouxGiroux girouxxxx girouxxx

Why even post this? Do you not see who our GM is? The state of our team? I am not even trying to sound rude and pessimistic but only way we sign Giroux is if serious changes are made to GM personnel.

 

[PlayersLtd]

Regarding Giroux, I'm not sure why everyone is so excited to sign a guy who is destined to be a cap drag on this team once we are ready to contend and is primed to begin his regression. Unless he comes cheap or if the term is short but I don't see either being realistic so I take a hard pass.

Andrew Copp is a much better option. Fits our system well, will likely come cheaper and is still improving as a player. Much better fit for 2nd line LW and the team in general.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Regarding Giroux, I'm not sure why everyone is so excited to sign a guy who is destined to be a cap drag on this team once we are ready to contend and is primed to begin his regression. Unless he comes cheap or if the term is short but I don't see either being realistic so I take a hard pass.

Andrew Copp is a much better option. Fits our system well, will likely come cheaper and is still improving as a player. Much better fit for 2nd line LW and the team in general.

Why not both? We need to have 4 lines running to be a threat.

at least with Giroux we get to make offers and he can decline, but we’re not picking up a shit veteran deal here.

Copp would be a solid edition as well.

I feel like this really is the divisive season where half expect more half expect less and it’s kind of a turning point.

It’s been all placeholders up until now. I think this summer will be the time where we need to make moves to do damage.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

I feel like this really is the divisive season where half expect more half expect less and it’s kind of a turning point.

It’s been all placeholders up until now. I think this summer will be the time where we need to make moves to do damage.

It must. It's not a matter of maybe but a matter of necessity.

If the argument before was "wait and see what we have" well now we know.

We know:

1) Batherson is top line winger potential star
2) Tkachuk is top line winger
3) Norris is 1b C
4) Stutzle can play centre and looks to be on verge of breaking out
5) After Chabot and Zub our defense is EMPTY.
6) We have no real threats outside of our top line and Stutzle, and the likes of Formenton and Pinto should be sheltered temporarily.

What this means is we need at least one top 4 defender this offseason (because Sanderson will be the other) and we need at least 2 top 6 forwards.

This must/should be the off-season where we splurge to complement the guys we have.

Any combination of:

One of: Forsberg/Hertl/Kessel/Giroux/Palat/Smith/Kadri

PLUS one of: Nino/Perron/Rakell/Nichush/Barabanov/Fabbri/Buro/Strome/Copp/Rodriguez/Pavs

PLUS one of: Miller/Goligoski/Letang/Miller/Manson


At minimum a combination of the 1st and 3rd ones. At minimum. If people think that's a lot for one off-season, well, we are compensating for having done dog all last 2.

If people asking about money, we have 8.25 in the minors and we can buyout Colin White for addition 3 million. Also, half those names i put about are strategic because they either wont cost a ton or since they are older, their contracts wont be too long to be a problem.

 

[Samsquanch]

His passing ability ,vision and creativity , is kinda is wasted at LW...Would love this too

Its only wasted because hes got shite linemates.

Guys like Panarin, Kucherov, Kane and Marner are devastating teams with their vision and creativity off of the wing. And there is no shortage of shoot first mentality centermen out there like Zibanejad, Matthews, Schiefele, Bergeron, Larkin, Stamkos, ect ect that have proven that elite goal scoring and passing are interchangeable qualities amongst centermen and wingers today.

Put Stu on a line with Pinto and Batherson, and this is a different conversation imo. At ES its almost comical how alone his out there offensively. Hes got no choice but to do it all himself - and yeah, I suppose thats an easier task to attempt as a C than a winger.

But I still feel like the best and ultimate version of Stu will be a guy whos allowed to focus on being a teams most dangerous offensive player, and has two linemates that are high level shooters to work with.

No teams are winning the cup with young and inexperienced offensive minded centermen. It just doesnt happen in the current NHL. And in the playoffs especially, creativity takes a major backseat to attention to defensive details. Especially at center.

 

[PlayOn]

Regarding Giroux, I'm not sure why everyone is so excited to sign a guy who is destined to be a cap drag on this team once we are ready to contend and is primed to begin his regression. Unless he comes cheap or if the term is short but I don't see either being realistic so I take a hard pass.

Andrew Copp is a much better option. Fits our system well, will likely come cheaper and is still improving as a player. Much better fit for 2nd line LW and the team in general.

Giroux might actually come to Ottawa because he lives here, that’s why. Even then it might be a long shot, but really we are not getting anyone else of quality in FA if the last few years are any indication.

He’s also genuinely a perfect fit. He can help with faceoffs which we need, is a good 200 ft player and has a ton of skill. The mentoring he would provide someone like Stützle as a skilled forward that has played both centre and both wings is invaluable. Even Pinto, Norris, Batherson etc would greatly benefit from having him around. It would also likely lead to us having three good scoring lines.

3 years I’d do without hesitation, and I probably do 4 as well although that’s not ideal. I think it’s doable if he does genuinely want to play here as reported.

 

[supsens]

Regarding Giroux, I'm not sure why everyone is so excited to sign a guy who is destined to be a cap drag on this team once we are ready to contend and is primed to begin his regression. Unless he comes cheap or if the term is short but I don't see either being realistic so I take a hard pass.

Andrew Copp is a much better option. Fits our system well, will likely come cheaper and is still improving as a player. Much better fit for 2nd line LW and the team in general.

Unless it's a 3 million cap hit it would be a disaster, he is already on the decline and will be 34 next month

 

[OD99]

Unless it's a 3 million cap hit it would be a disaster, he is already on the decline and will be 34 next month

You guys are insane. Do you see who we throw out there and how much we pay them? How much of that is now on waivers or in the minors?

Giroux is a legit top 6 player with loads of skill and grit and his play isn't just going to fall off a cliff. He would be our leading scorer right now and by far our best C in FO%.

He would instantly stabilize our 2nd line, improve our PP and probably our PK just by winning more FO.

He has been a captain for however long now, has high compete and has a vested interest in making Ottawa proud.

How are some of you seeing so much downside here? Who hurt you? Or right...GMPD.