Player Discussion Tim Stützle - L̶W̶/C - Part V

[Burrowsaurus]

Batherson is so important to that top line, and that top line has been instrumental in any success we've had this year.

If you are worried about ruining Stutzle, I can see the merit, but I'm not too worried about that.

I’m not worried about ruining him. I’m worried about only have one good line

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

I’m not worried about ruining him. I’m worried about only have one good line

I'm more worried about having no good lines, which may very well be the case if we break up that top line. I kinda just think Stutzle isn't ready to be a consistently effective top 6er yet, unless he's the 3rd cog on a line (see: Raymond with Larkin & Bertuzzi).

 

[OD99]

It's because when they were together they showed great glimpses but were physically overpowered. Way too overpowered at times. It's not difficult to see why they are not together.

Batherson is not on the top line to overstack it.. but because Tkachuk provides excellent physical complementary play to give Batherson more space.

I can very much see Stutzle-Batherson as our duo of the future if/when they both become physically independent, or if we get an external LW from draft or free agency that will provide serious defensive and physical relief to that line.

Don't see that at all.

Batherson is plenty big and has been using his size very effectively all season and wins plenty of board battles.

Jimmy is in tough without really solid body position but has been upping his physical play in the last few weeks and well.

Maybe defensively they woul need a hand.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I'm more worried about having no good lines, which may very well be the case if we break up that top line. I kinda just think Stutzle isn't ready to be a consistently effective top 6er yet, unless he's the 3rd cog on a line (see: Raymond with Larkin & Bertuzzi).

Stutzle isn't ready for top line C..... yet. His play at C should be applauded though. He is not the 3rd cog on that line. Its not perfect or finished by any means but statistically vs wing with Paul at C .. the offensive stats of the line have shot up. He drives play on that line. If they continue to use him at C I think he should get some looks there towards the end of the year just to see how it goes. Next year at some point we may see more of it. He lacks strength and his D play is still a work in progress but there is no question on who the more dynamic player is imo .. will his continued development translate to a 1C .. The possibility shouldn't be discounted if the options remain the same.

IMO the issue now is the quality of the depth we have to play with him. Brown is ok. Paul is playing up above his ideal role. Formenton isn't ready and has to round out his game. Ennis is not a 2nd line NHL forward. Sanford's engagement level is too inconsistent.

 

[SENATOR]

Stutzle isn't ready for top line C..... yet. His play at C should be applauded though. He is not the 3rd cog on that line. Its not perfect or finished by any means but statistically vs wing with Paul at C .. the offensive stats of the line have shot up. He drives play on that line. If they continue to use him at C I think he should get some looks there towards the end of the year just to see how it goes. Next year at some point we may see more of it. He lacks strength and his D play is still a work in progress but there is no question on who the more dynamic player is imo .. will his continued development translate to a 1C .. The possibility shouldn't be discounted if the options remain the same.
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You are molding a guy with your post to a Canadian prototypical center. When good coaches in NHL let European centers to develop on their own. For example Nicklas Backstrom was put right away with Ovechkin on his wing. Why Sens with so many pieces to trade and so many draft picks could not get a top six winger for Stutzle? Mark Stone trade. Absolutely tunnel vision by management, grabbing undersized D, when you had to keep Stone at all cost to help in Stutzle's development. Or at least to get a future blue chip forward prospect.

 

[TheDebater]

There is absolutely ZERO rush to make Stutzle our #1 Centre, my God he literally just shifted to center less than 10 games ago.

Also, those who want to break up the top line to get Batherson with Timmy are being somewhat short-sighted, because the best thing we have going for us this season is that top line of Tkachuk-Norris- Batherson. They should stay together, and the way I see it is Timmy Stu needs to become a line driver himself and become the type of centre/player that makes other scrubs around him better. Having him on our 2nd line for a couple more seasons until he matures and gets stronger would be best case scenario.

Of course it will not hurt either if Dorion finds a good trading partner and brings in a veteran scoring winger to play with him.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Stutzle isn't ready for top line C..... yet. His play at C should be applauded though. He is not the 3rd cog on that line. Its not perfect or finished by any means but statistically vs wing with Paul at C .. the offensive stats of the line have shot up. He drives play on that line. If they continue to use him at C I think he should get some looks there towards the end of the year just to see how it goes. Next year at some point we may see more of it. He lacks strength and his D play is still a work in progress but there is no question on who the more dynamic player is imo .. will his continued development translate to a 1C .. The possibility shouldn't be discounted if the options remain the same.

IMO the issue now is the quality of the depth we have to play with him. Brown is ok. Paul is playing up above his ideal role. Formenton isn't ready and has to round out his game. Ennis is not a 2nd line NHL forward. Sanford's engagement level is too inconsistent.

Not casting any doubts on Stutzle, just saying I don't think he is ready to carry a good top 6 line, nor is he ready to supplant Norris. I do like him at C and I think he will be an excellent player. I just dont think breaking up that top line is a good idea right now.

 

[OD99]

No way Jimmy should have pressure to be a #1C at the moment, even being a #2C for the remainder of the year is a massive learning curve for him.

Ideally he has more dynamic talent on at least 1 of his wings but learning the defensive side first is pretty standard development curve and will go a long way to making him the full 200' C we need. He is creating a lot now on his own and that ability will be more pronounced for the next couple of years as he gets bigger/stronger/more experienced. It's sort of crazy to think with how he has played he has also been in a season long slump as far as scoring is concerned...he could easily have 5-10 more points IMO when you evaluate chances he has had/provided to teammates.

From a fans perspective I would support breaking up the top line and spreading out the scoring if we were desperate to win but with the long game in mind I say let our top line round out in to a true #1 line and see how we look next year with some additions in Pinto/White (Soks/Crookshank/FA?).

Happy to see him continue to improve and have full belief he will be a fantastic, dominant player within 2 years.

 

[SensFan1010]

I think our first line will be our first / second line for years to come for a year where it doesnt matter to much id like to keep them together and build that chemistry. I want them to have that Sedin-Sedin chemistry.

I think Paul definitely looks more fit for the 3rd line and truthfully dont see much chemistry with Stu and Brown but given what we got i think Form Stu Brown is our best bet

 

[bicboi64]

Get Paul off his line, put Ennis or Sanford with him and he'll already have more speed and skill to complement that line. CBrown is enough grit on his line. Stop anchoring him with Paul, which also puts Paul in a poor position. Paul is a good third line guy, let him play in his role

 

[DJB]

I'll continue to say it:

He needs skilled line mates. Being saddled with Brown and Paul is just brutal.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

I'll continue to say it:

He needs skilled line mates. Being saddled with Brown and Paul is just brutal.

Brown is fine but he definitely needs someone a top 6 LW.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Brown is fine but he definitely needs someone a top 6 LW.

Even Brown needs it, lol.

 

[sens13]

It’s sad he’s on a line where he has to carry all the offence his himself. Dorion needs to get off his ass and get him a winger.

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

I'll continue to say it:

He needs skilled line mates. Being saddled with Brown and Paul is just brutal.

Ya true. And we have zero skill outside our first line right now.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

Brown is fine but he definitely needs someone a top 6 LW.

I agree, I don't think Brown is holding Stützle back at all, he's a perfectly capable middle 6 winger who can slide into the top 6 and not look out of place.

Paul definitely is however. It's clear he's holding back the line offensively. I wonder if the decision to have Stützle play C was partially so they can move Paul off that line in the future for someone like Formenton or Ennis.

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

Paul and Brown aren’t bad players, they are just bottom 6’ers. Put the puck in deep and chase after it.

Stutzle likes to play a possession game. Hopefully we can find some players to gel with him, because he hasn’t really gelled with anyone yet.

 

[Yak]

Stutzle isn't ready for top line C..... yet. His play at C should be applauded though. He is not the 3rd cog on that line. Its not perfect or finished by any means but statistically vs wing with Paul at C .. the offensive stats of the line have shot up. He drives play on that line. If they continue to use him at C I think he should get some looks there towards the end of the year just to see how it goes. Next year at some point we may see more of it. He lacks strength and his D play is still a work in progress but there is no question on who the more dynamic player is imo .. will his continued development translate to a 1C .. The possibility shouldn't be discounted if the options remain the same.

IMO the issue now is the quality of the depth we have to play with him. Brown is ok. Paul is playing up above his ideal role. Formenton isn't ready and has to round out his game. Ennis is not a 2nd line NHL forward. Sanford's engagement level is too inconsistent.

I disagree with your take on him playing with Forms! I think Forms will bring him a speedy winger to compliment him and Forms can score. Forms being stuck on the 3rd line with Hacks is not helping his game because has to do it all alone to make anything happen.

Forms- Stutzle- Brown makes for a nice balanced line and room for everyone to grow, learn and be a dangerous 2nd line. Not like we have a ton of options or any in Belleville.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I disagree with your take on him playing with Forms! I think Forms will bring him a speedy winger to compliment him and Forms can score. Forms being stuck on the 3rd line with Hacks is not helping his game because has to do it all alone to make anything happen.

Forms- Stutzle- Brown makes for a nice balanced line and room for everyone to grow, learn and be a dangerous 2nd line. Not like we have a ton of options or any in Belleville.

I am probably one of Forms biggest fans here. I just don't think he's ready for that expanded role.. Just my opinion. I would bet he gets some looks there shortly.

 

[Crosside]

I am probably one of Forms biggest fans here. I just don't think he's ready for that expanded role.. Just my opinion. I would bet he gets some looks there shortly.

Last game in the third play there

 

[DJB]

It’s sad he’s on a line where he has to carry all the offence his himself. Dorion needs to get off his ass and get him a winger.

True but I blame DJ. He loads up Tkachuk and Timmy is always left with the scraps

 

[Wondercarrot]

I bet he’d look pretty good with Giroux on his right side, then put a shooter on the line with them.

 

[Sensinitis]

I bet he’d look pretty good with Giroux on his right side, then put a shooter on the line with them.

Formenton-Stutzle-Giroux would be sexy

 

[supsens]

He will be playing with Pinto he does not need first line minutes it will push that contract way to high too soon

 

[Samsquanch]

Formenton-Stutzle-Giroux would be sexy

Stutzle-Pinto-Giroux
Tkachuk-Norris-Batherson
Formenton-White-Brown

Start the season like that next year - and we actually start to make some noise in the league.

I still think Pinto could be a huge match with Stutzle in the long term. And adding a player like G in the offseason to that duo, and that could end up being called our top line by the end of next season. All 3 can shoot - which opens up a lot of possibilities imo. Sexy possibilities.

Either way its a joke how bad Stutzles linemates have been to start his career. He deserves so much better.