Player Discussion Tim Stützle - (C) - Part VI

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Byfield will most likely be a primary culture guy, while Stutzle projects as a secondary culture guy.

what the f*** does that even mean, man lol

In sports, you need guys who are going to be leaders and set the culture the right way, push things forward, have the emotional intelligence to help drive guys around things, etc.

Then there are guys who need to be led, and might push the culture when led the right way, but aren't the type of personalities on their own who are going to lead and establish what the group is about.

I assume it is important to get these "primary culture" guys who are also stars, because the way the team dynamic works is that you can't really force a culture through bringing in a random veteran 4th liner who was a great leader in 1997. They just won't be in a position to affect or build a strong culture or norms within a team.

That would be my take on it, without actually knowing what he was talking about.

As far as the Byfield pick goes, I can't give LA flack for the pick. It's like saying the Rangers were dumb for taking Lafreniere instead of Stutzle or Sanderson. By consensus, 2nd overall was a toss-up between Byfeild and Lafreniere. Development also is not linear. With Byfield's size, it is going to take him longer. Similar to a player like Tage Thompson. I don't think Byfield will surpass Stutzle, but it wouldn't exactly shock me either.

Look at Mika Zibanejad, he wasn't a superstar until his 8th season in the league. That is how long it took him to start putting up 1st line numbers.

 

[Golden_Jet]

In sports, you need guys who are going to be leaders and set the culture the right way, push things forward, have the emotional intelligence to help drive guys around things, etc.

Then there are guys who need to be led, and might push the culture when led the right way, but aren't the type of personalities on their own who are going to lead and establish what the group is about.

I assume it is important to get these "primary culture" guys who are also stars, because the way the team dynamic works is that you can't really force a culture through bringing in a random veteran 4th liner who was a great leader in 1997. They just won't be in a position to affect or build a strong culture or norms within a team.

That would be my take on it, without actually knowing what he was talking about.

As far as the Byfield pick goes, I can't give LA flack for the pick. It's like saying the Rangers were dumb for taking Lafreniere instead of Stutzle or Sanderson. By consensus, 2nd overall was a toss-up between Byfeild and Lafreniere. Development also is not linear. With Byfield's size, it is going to take him longer. Similar to a player like Tage Thompson. I don't think Byfield will surpass Stutzle, but it wouldn't exactly shock me either.

Look at Mika Zibanejad, he wasn't a superstar until his 8th season in the league. That is how long it took him to start putting up 1st line numbers.

No consensus, second overall was between Stutzle and Byfield, Bob McKenzie had Tim second.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

 

[Dan Patrick]

I’ve noticed him wincing a lot during games and obviously he hasn’t seemed on his game to start the season. I was hoping it was just because teams were focusing in on him. Just don’t let it be a shoulder injury, I wouldn’t be able to handle that.

Hopefully, he just ate some bad fish.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

I’ve noticed him wincing a lot during games and obviously he hasn’t seemed on his game to start the season. I was hoping it was just because teams were focusing in on him. Just don’t let it be a shoulder injury, I wouldn’t be able to handle that.

Hopefully, he just ate some bad fish.

Gabriel's Seafood Pizza - delivered by Pierre

 

[Butchy Dakkar]

If he’s out we could be down our top 3 C. That would be disappointing.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I’ve noticed him wincing a lot during games and obviously he hasn’t seemed on his game to start the season. I was hoping it was just because teams were focusing in on him. Just don’t let it be a shoulder injury, I wouldn’t be able to handle that.

Hopefully, he just ate some bad fish.

maintenance day. Teams will be targeting him and he doesn't avoid contact.

 

[bert]

maintenance day. Teams will be targeting him and he doesn't avoid contact.

He hasnt been very good to start the season. If he is banged up that explains it.

 

[Nova Stutzlia]

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DJ Smith - Stützle maintenance day. Will be back tomorrow.

 

[Korpse]

He hasnt been very good to start the season. If he is banged up that explains it.

He’s been a slow starter as well. Outside of his rookie season, when he played in the WJC before the season started I’ve found it takes him a couple weeks to get going. Only had 12 shots in the first 8 games last season.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Damn taking maintenance days. That'll get you skewered around here if your name were Erik Karlsson.

 

[aragorn]

Stutzle will be fine, he just needs to stop whining at the refs & concentrate on playing hockey & let the refs do their job even if they aren't that great at times, hopefully over a season it all balances out. Ottawa has to stop taking so many of these crappy penalties, if they reduce the penalties, they reduce the shots on net which reduce the goals against. Simple as that.

 

[Samsquanch]

Damn taking maintenance days. That'll get you skewered around here if your name were Erik Karlsson.

Does it really? I thought EK played 30 mins a night and went PPG for us most years, and we had no problems with him taking a day off from practice as need be.

Boucher with his whole "rest is a weapon" philosophy for the rest of the team though, well that was a different story I think.

 

[Flamingo]

Stutzle will be fine, he just needs to stop whining at the refs & concentrate on playing hockey & let the refs do their job even if they aren't that great at times, hopefully over a season it all balances out. Ottawa has to stop taking so many of these crappy penalties, if they reduce the penalties, they reduce the shots on net which reduce the goals against. Simple as that.

Let the refs do their job? He was outright can-openered on Sunday night, no call.

 

[Butchy Dakkar]

Let the refs do their job? He was outright can-openered on Sunday night, no call.

Twice, although he me was more of a “routine” missed trip, RFA can-opener was brutal

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Does it really? I thought EK played 30 mins a night and went PPG for us most years, and we had no problems with him taking a day off from practice as need be.

Boucher with his whole "rest is a weapon" philosophy for the rest of the team though, well that was a different story I think.

That was definitely only in reference to like 2 or 3 people that seemed to throw shade at him for it in hindsight. Most respect his decisions at the time, or knew it was coming from Boucher, but ya, Boucher's wording was often a bit strange.

 

[Dionysus]

He's been taking a lot of extra shots so far this year, taking a toll it appears.

 

[JD1]

Let the refs do their job? He was outright can-openered on Sunday night, no call.

Definitely he was out right can openered the other night.

But Stuetzle needs to grow the f*** up. This is his 4th season and it's the NHL. He's got a bad rep, which he's earned, by turning to look at the refs with a wtf look on his face whenever he's infracted. Stop showing them up. Stop trying to call penalties for them just do your job, let them do their job.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Definitely he was out right can openered the other night.

But Stuetzle needs to grow the f*** up. This is his 4th season and it's the NHL. He's got a bad rep, which he's earned, by turning to look at the refs with a wtf look on his face whenever he's infracted. Stop showing them up. Stop trying to call penalties for them just do your job, let them do their job.

Alfie will teach him.

 

[Flamingo]

Definitely he was out right can openered the other night.

But Stuetzle needs to grow the f*** up. This is his 4th season and it's the NHL. He's got a bad rep, which he's earned, by turning to look at the refs with a wtf look on his face whenever he's infracted. Stop showing them up. Stop trying to call penalties for them just do your job, let them do their job.

I'm certainly open to the possibility that I'm biased, blind, or just plain wrong, but my perception is that Stu started his NHL career as a lightweight who tried to carry the puck through checks, resulting in lots of spills and stepping over sticks. I didn't see much of what I would call diving. Gallagher's comments about Stu were typical Habs brinksmanship, and attracted a lot of confirmation bias around the observation that yeah, this kid does go down easy.

I do see him giving the refs the works when he thinks there should be a call. And yeah, he should reign that in.

If refs do indeed opt to not call trip against him, and the fraternity kind of goes along with that attitude, I think that culture's complete BS. It takes away a lot of high-speed, risk-taking hockey that makes for entertaining hockey.

 

[K1900L]

Don't necessarily like how he forces himself to shoot sometimes. I get that he was close to reaching 40 goals last year, but he certainly isn't a natural goal scorer, no Matthews or Draisaitl.
His game lives off of a wide repertoire of possibilities: he has the skill to skate through pairings, go wide on them, pass it or rush the goalie as well as shooting it. Forcing the latter will ultimately hurt his game imo, he has done so too often this year so far, especially on the power play. To me, he is at his best when he used his speed and hands.

And yes, he should stop whining whenever there has been no call or a bad call on him.
Instead, the bench, especially the coaches should have a talk with the refs (because there most certainly are some blatantly missed or ignored calls on Stützle; DJ should call them out and protect Stützle by doing so).

 

[OD99]

Holy cow...PPG while looking a little off after 3 games yet the insights are on full blast.

He has been fine. More physical, more engaged defensively and those non calls will be penalties for most of the season.

Cripes, the guy is a stud, just appreciate him. Nitpicking this stuff right now is outrageous.

 

[JD1]

I'm certainly open to the possibility that I'm biased, blind, or just plain wrong, but my perception is that Stu started his NHL career as a lightweight who tried to carry the puck through checks, resulting in lots of spills and stepping over sticks. I didn't see much of what I would call diving. Gallagher's comments about Stu were typical Habs brinksmanship, and attracted a lot of confirmation bias around the observation that yeah, this kid does go down easy.

I do see him giving the refs the works when he thinks there should be a call. And yeah, he should reign that in.

If refs do indeed opt to not call trip against him, and the fraternity kind of goes along with that attitude, I think that culture's complete BS. It takes away a lot of high-speed, risk-taking hockey that makes for entertaining hockey.

I kinda remember him jumping a lot. Being in the air where you're not anchored and it's easy for a stick to go between your legs and really trip you up. I don't see that much anymore. He's not going down like he used to, but this business of constantly looking to the refs has to stop

 

[aragorn]

Let the refs do their job? He was outright can-openered on Sunday night, no call.

Most likely because he whines to them too much & they are people too & don't want to listen to him. They should have called that one, but they also let some go. I think it balances out over a season, but if this team whines to the refs too much that will only go against them.

 

[Korpse]

Don't necessarily like how he forces himself to shoot sometimes. I get that he was close to reaching 40 goals last year, but he certainly isn't a natural goal scorer, no Matthews or Draisaitl.
His game lives off of a wide repertoire of possibilities: he has the skill to skate through pairings, go wide on them, pass it or rush the goalie as well as shooting it. Forcing the latter will ultimately hurt his game imo, he has done so too often this year so far, especially on the power play. To me, he is at his best when he used his speed and hands.

I have to disagree. I find he's at his best when he is playing selfish, and taking plenty of shots. For me it's an indication that he is attacking the middle of the ice. He isn't one who takes shots from distance, it's usually from in between the dots and the top of the circle down. Looking at his shot chart for this season, that remains the case. It's not as common for him to throw the puck at the net for the sake of getting the puck to the net, he is more purposeful with his shot selection. Even looking at his PP shot attempts this season, he has just 4 in the 3 games. 3 of those attempts came on the 4v3 PP against Philly, I don't think he is forcing any shots there. If anything my one complaint about PP1 in the first three games is that nobody has stepped up as a trigger man on that unit.