Player Discussion Tim Stützle - (C) - Part VI

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Going into next year I think Stu and Brady need to stay together. Brady is the perfect winger for Stu. I’d put Batherson with them and have Norris with Giroux and Formenton or Greig. Pinto Formenton/Greig and Debrincat would be a good 3rd line.
Lol DBC on the third line…. Why in the word would you put a much inferior player in Formy on the second line?

DBC is a top line winger, he’ll play on the second line with either Stu or Norris, with either Bath or Giroux.

Common Sense.

Formy if he plays again would be with Pinto on the third line where he belongs.

Reunite the Chucky - Norris - Batherson line. DBC - Stutzle - Giroux as top line and watch defenders shit themselves.

Relegate Joseph to 4th line and PKing for now and get a really good veteran 3rd liner for Pinto and Greig.

I think you'll like the results if you do that.

Assuming Norris is ever the same again, I hope to shit he is.
Conor Brown?
 
Lol DBC on the third line…. Why in the word would you put a much inferior player in Formy on the second line?

DBC is a top line winger, he’ll play on the second line with either Stu or Norris, with either Bath or Giroux.

Common Sense.

Formy if he plays again would be with Pinto on the third line where he belongs.


Conor Brown?
I don’t think a Debrincat Norris Giroux/Batherson line works well. I think a guy like Formenton fits better which allows Pinto Debrincat and Greig to generate some even strength offence which is sorely lacking outside of our top 2 lines.
 
IMO a Formenton - Greig - Pinto line would be a huge improvement to the 3rd line & allow our best six players to play in the top six.
 
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Formenton could probably be signed to Jospeph $ or below as well. Good Value.
Exactly & he's a former 30 pt guy & Pinto put up 30 pts & Greig has at least that potential next yr, all three have 40 plus pt potential IMO & would be a good line with speed, skills & some jam that will only get better with time.
 
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Brady Norris Bath
DBC Stu G
Formenton Pinto Greig
Crookshank Kastelic Joseph

The top 6 can be rearranged but that bottom 6 is vastly improved IMO without adding to salary cap.

If we can move on from Joseph I am not opposed to it but I don't think he has played to his potential this year either.
 
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As I stated a little while ago, this is Alfie all over again. Trying too hard to win it himself, and it ends up in the back ofyour net. He is learning lots, and he will learn to play within himself with maturity

This.

Have we all been missing how loud DJ has been yelling at Jimmy from the bench.

“No Jimmy!!!”

I swear I hear it once a game.

He’s got to learn, and he will. Giroux will help, he’s a big piece of that puzzle. But sometimes learning hurts - like giving it your everything, having a career season and falling short of the playoffs by 4 points.

It stinks. It hurts. It’s necessary.
 
I think Stutzle really benefits from Tkachuk’s puck retrieval and his ability to win and control any puck that comes around the net. I think Stu’s offence takes a significant hit if they are separated.


You ran out of cap space.
1.I think DBC can go and retrieve pucks with Giroux, but yes, that is a major consideration.

2.By how much cap space did I run out of? Not much, I assume.

Lol DBC on the third line…. Why in the word would you put a much inferior player in Formy on the second line?

DBC is a top line winger, he’ll play on the second line with either Stu or Norris, with either Bath or Giroux.

Common Sense.

Formy if he plays again would be with Pinto on the third line where he belongs.


Conor Brown?
I thought Brown left because of our acquisitions that would push him down to the 3rd line. Or do I remember it wrong? Plus, hard to afford him on the 3rd line, even if he takes a major cut.
 
I don’t think a Debrincat Norris Giroux/Batherson line works well. I think a guy like Formenton fits better which allows Pinto Debrincat and Greig to generate some even strength offence which is sorely lacking outside of our top 2 lines.
Well we really haven’t seen how a DBC/Norris/G line would work to be honest. Chemistry takes time, and Norris barely played.

In my opinion it would be worth trying because I don’t see Formy as a top six winger right now, and we would be better served with him and Pinto facing lesser competition to be bigger threats.

As others have stated, you don’t put a 7million and up dollar vet player on the third line.
 
1.I think DBC can go and retrieve pucks with Giroux, but yes, that is a major consideration.

2.By how much cap space did I run out of? Not much, I assume.


I thought Brown left because of our acquisitions that would push him down to the 3rd line. Or do I remember it wrong? Plus, hard to afford him on the 3rd line, even if he takes a major cut.
No you’re right…. But then he missed an entire season and is a UFA. Not sure how much money is out there to take a chance in a guy, how many top 6 spots are available on competing teams.

He would have to come at the expense of Jospeh, but I was more a pie in the sky pipe dream. He’d be a perfect vet third liner guy to play with pinto and Grieg/Formy. A G light.
 
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No you’re right…. But then he missed an entire season and is a UFA. Not sure how much money is out there to take a chance in a guy, how many top 6 spots are available on competing teams.

He would have to come at the expense of Jospeh, but I was more a pie in the sky pipe dream. He’d be a perfect vet third liner guy to play with pinto and Grieg/Formy. A G light.
He would be perfect, but he made his bed and now there's no room IMO. He should have stayed (unless we forced him out). He would have been awesome for Pinto (in theory) and would have been a huge part of this team. But...what's done is done.
 
Brady Norris Bath
DBC Stu G
Formenton Pinto Greig
Crookshank Kastelic Joseph

The top 6 can be rearranged but that bottom 6 is vastly improved IMO without adding to salary cap.

If we can move on from Joseph I am not opposed to it but I don't think he has played to his potential this year either.
That bottom 6 isn’t good enough for a playoff team. Far too young to all play together.
 
That bottom 6 isn’t good enough for a playoff team. Far too young to all play together.
So what is your mathematical criteria for age in the bottom 6 = playoff team?

Formenton and Joseph have been around and Joseph has been part of Stanley Cup winning teams.

Pinto would be 3rd year in the league, Kastelic, Crookshank are old enough.

Only rookie would be Greig and he seems to have a mature game plus adds flexibility to move up the lineup if required.

They may not be ready for the Cup but they can certainly play well enough and have the skills to be an effective bottom 6.
 
1.I think DBC can go and retrieve pucks with Giroux, but yes, that is a major consideration.

2.By how much cap space did I run out of? Not much, I assume.
It was a little facetious on my part but a 1B goalie will cost 3-4M I would imagine. I don’t think Joseph is moveable without attaching a pick so I always include his cap hit.
 
Well we really haven’t seen how a DBC/Norris/G line would work to be honest. Chemistry takes time, and Norris barely played.

In my opinion it would be worth trying because I don’t see Formy as a top six winger right now, and we would be better served with him and Pinto facing lesser competition to be bigger threats.

As others have stated, you don’t put a 7million and up dollar vet player on the third line.
You don’t want Debrincat on the 3rd line to balance scoring that’s fine.

Tkachuk Stu Batherson
Formenton Norris Debrincat
Joseph Pinto Giroux
 
It was a little facetious on my part but a 1B goalie will cost 3-4M I would imagine. I don’t think Joseph is moveable without attaching a pick so I always include his cap hit.
3 or 4 mil? That's a lot of coin for a backup, is it not?

4 mill.....might as well go the extra mile and go for a starter at that price.

You don’t want Debrincat on the 3rd line to balance scoring that’s fine.

Tkachuk Stu Batherson
Formenton Norris Debrincat
Joseph Pinto Giroux
I think you need to deploy a 3rd line consisting of Greig/Formenton - Pinto - veteran who doesn't suck.

You don't put any of our existing top 6 on the third line to fester (IMO).
 
So what is your mathematical criteria for age in the bottom 6 = playoff team?

Formenton and Joseph have been around and Joseph has been part of Stanley Cup winning teams.

Pinto would be 3rd year in the league, Kastelic, Crookshank are old enough.

Only rookie would be Greig and he seems to have a mature game plus adds flexibility to move up the lineup if required.

They may not be ready for the Cup but they can certainly play well enough and have the skills to be an effective bottom 6.
Formenton 109 NHL games
Pinto 95 NHL games
Greig. 19 NHL games
Crookshank 0 NHL games
Kastelic 77 NHL games
Joseph. 284 NHL games

That is extremely inexperienced and pretty much guarantees another failed season.

3 or 4 mil? That's a lot of coin for a backup, is it not?

4 mill.....might as well go the extra mile and go for a starter at that price.


I think you need to deploy a 3rd line consisting of Greig/Formenton - Pinto - veteran who doesn't suck.

You don't put any of our existing top 6 on the third line to fester (IMO).
It’s trying to balance scoring. Regardless what do you like as top 2 lines ?
 
If we have Cat next year, would be cool to see what he could do with Stu on the top line. I want the Brady Norris Bath line back next year, they were very effective 5on5 and could be a first line on their own. Stu with Giroux is already hacks, and if there's anyone that can get Cat going its those two.
 
Formenton 109 NHL games
Pinto 95 NHL games
Greig. 19 NHL games
Crookshank 0 NHL games
Kastelic 77 NHL games
Joseph. 284 NHL games

That is extremely inexperienced and pretty much guarantees another failed season.


It’s trying to balance scoring. Regardless what do you like as top 2 lines ?
I wanna try

DBC - Stu - Giroux
Chuck - Norris - Bath
 
Formenton 109 NHL games
Pinto 95 NHL games
Greig. 19 NHL games
Crookshank 0 NHL games
Kastelic 77 NHL games
Joseph. 284 NHL games

That is extremely inexperienced and pretty much guarantees another failed season.
Lol, come on now, having Formenton and Greig in over the likes of Gambrell, Kelly, Brown and Motte is a massive improvement, Pinto will be a year more experienced and slotted correctly too.

I'm not sold that Crookshank is ready, but aside from that its a pretty good group, even if a touch inexperienced. Maybe not what you're looking for as a contender, but for a team looking to make the playoffs for the first time in 6 years and to gain experience it's fine.
 
If we have Cat next year, would be cool to see what he could do with Stu on the top line. I want the Brady Norris Bath line back next year, they were very effective 5on5 and could be a first line on their own. Stu with Giroux is already hacks, and if there's anyone that can get Cat going its those two.
A Debrincat Stu Giroux line is missing a power element, I don’t see it being successful

Lol, come on now, having Formenton and Greig in over the likes of Gambrell, Kelly, Brown and Motte is a massive improvement, Pinto will be a year more experienced and slotted correctly too.

I'm not sold that Crookshank is ready, but aside from that its a pretty good group, even if a touch inexperienced. Maybe not what you're looking for as a contender, but for a team looking to make the playoffs for the first time in 6 years and to gain experience it's fine.
I couldn’t disagree more. I think you need to spread the inexperience out more which is why I like Greig or Formenton with Norris and Giroux and Debrincat with Pinto and Joseph.
 
I couldn’t disagree more. I think you need to spread the inexperience out more which is why I like Greig or Formenton with Norris and Giroux and Debrincat with Pinto and Joseph.
Well no lines will survive the full year, things will get put through a blender over the course of a year so I don't find it's really useful to think of it as set lines.

If a line struggles things will get shaken up a bit, so if we shift Greig or Formenton into a top 6 and Giroux or DeBrincat onto a scoring third for a bit, no big deal, having said when you have good players they'll make it work. Stone Hoffman and Lazar were an amazing line when they were all rookies, but we did shake things up and move Hoff and Stone up with Turris, not because an all rookie line was going to guarantee failure but because Hoff and Stone had more to give, heck Turris only had ~300 career games at that point.

I imagine we'll sign a guy like Brassard rather than count on Crookshank anyways, so that will get you some experience in the bottom 6.
 
Well no lines will survive the full year, things will get put through a blender over the course of a year so I don't find it's really useful to think of it as set lines.

If a line struggles things will get shaken up a bit, so if we shift Greig or Formenton into a top 6 and Giroux or DeBrincat onto a scoring third for a bit, no big deal, having said when you have good players they'll make it work. Stone Hoffman and Lazar were an amazing line when they were all rookies, but we did shake things up and move Hoff and Stone up with Turris, not because an all rookie line was going to guarantee failure but because Hoff and Stone had more to give, heck Turris only had ~300 career games at that point.

I imagine we'll sign a guy like Brassard rather than count on Crookshank anyways, so that will get you some experience in the bottom 6.
This is essentially what I was originally getting at. Start with 3 duos and I’ll switch them up so it works better.

Tkachuk Stu
Norris Debrincat
Pinto Giroux

Then rotate Formenton, Greig and Joseph around when we need to shake them up.

Go with low priced role players on line 4.

Of course this means no Hamonic or goalie.
 
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This is essentially what I was originally getting at. Start with 3 duos and I’ll switch them up so it works better.

Tkachuk Stu
Norris Debrincat
Pinto Giroux

Then rotate Formenton, Greig and Joseph around when we need to shake them up.

Go with low priced role players on line 4.

Of course this means no Hamonic or goalie.
Ok, I was arguing something similar in the offseason before it was known Formenton wasnt going to be around, I figure Joseph with Tkachuk and Norris was solid to finish off last year, Formenton and Stü worked, so adding Batherson would be good, and DeBrincat, Pinto Giroux would really insulate Pinto.

But at the same time, there are games where loading is needed, and I still think a line of Formenton-Pinto -Joseph would be a nightmare to defend against.

That all said, if your just criticizing how he lined them up, I think it misses his overall point that the roster depth is improved without adding.
 
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