Confirmed with Link: Tim Erixon traded to Chicago for Jeremy Morin

[Socks]

Good God folks. You don't make a move just to make a move. I won't say that in moments of frustration I never called for something to be done but it has to be smart. Cotton, Leo and now Morin are smart acquisition of assets. Losing Boone, Nicky, Matty or hell even Erixon for someone subpar would not be.

 

[db2011]

i can't believe you're still on this battle...have you seen what the current price is for Tyler Myers? for Chris friggin Stewart?? the price to make a deal when we were in a desperate situation, would have been (and by most accounts) were too much to do a deal that made sense. This deal is a good hockey deal and I'm still fairly happy taht we held the course thru the tough times...

we sit 3 games back of a locked playoff spot in December...with a team we know is battle tested...and we have those extra assets we would have had to use to get someone earlier that come later, will cost less and be more useful in a race...

I don't care about the price for Chris Friggin Stewart because at no time was I calling for a name player. I was advocating the EXACT kinds of things that have actually happened, I just think they should have happened sooner. Like before losing 9 straight. I'm still on this because it gets ridiculous to hear posters who never felt moves needed to be made, that we should "stay the course", turn around and say "look we've made moves!!!". And at the exact same time continue to misconstrue the other position, which has turned out to more correct than anyone else, as insisting we mortgage the future and burn draft picks to plug holes- which nobody was ever saying. My nicotine withdrawal is peaking so I'm impatient and annoyed.

Connauton was a waiver-wire pickup, no contingencies there except timing. The Blues traded us Leopold for a 5th rounder THE DAY AFTER Tyutin went down for an extended period. That is to say, the Blues had a helluva lot more leverage the day they made the Leopold trade than the did the day before they made it. Therefore, that's the kind of move that could have been made earlier, and it is the GM's very job to make that move before we are sitting entirely too far down in the standings.

We are in a better position that I'd have expected but that's not because of much that Jarmo did, it's more thanks to Bob. It's not hard to imagine we'd be better off had Jarmo done pretty much what he has done, but a couple weeks sooner.

 

[db2011]

I have a hard time with this discussion because we're not discussing anything concrete.

Does anybody have some names they can throw out there - of guys passed through waivers between roughly Oct. 15th and Nov. 15th? Or guys who were definitely being shopped, that you think Jarmo should have bid on?

As I stated, Leopold was traded for the day after Tyutin went down, so leverage boilerplate significantly undercut.

Waiver wire I don't know and I'm not supposed to know- it's Jarmo's job, not mine. He has made the moves I wanted to see made but he waited too long to do it. Plain to see.

 

[db2011]

Good God folks. You don't make a move just to make a move. I won't say that in moments of frustration I never called for something to be done but it has to be smart. Cotton, Leo and now Morin are smart acquisition of assets. Losing Boone, Nicky, Matty or hell even Erixon for someone subpar would not be.

Please point out posts in which any of the above bolded players were shopped for help during the injury crisis before insinuating that's what anyone of sound mind wanted.

 

[DarkandStormy]

So much whining for a team that is 6 points out of the playoffs while leading MGL. Cool.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

 

[Crede777]

So much whining for a team that is 6 points out of the playoffs while leading MGL. Cool.

This is all because of the reluctance to re-sign Mackenzie. Or, as I call it, the Mackenzie-lypse.

Just think, if we had re-signed number 24, we wouldn't have had to sign D'amigo or Gibbons, claim Cracknell or Skille, play Boll, promote Chaput, trade Erixon, we wouldn't have had any injuries, and our top line would have been Rychel - Wennberg - Dano and they would each have 30 goals right now.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Dear God please let me save us all some time and boil this same old **** down in one post.

A: Do something!
B: What?
A: That's Jarmo's job.
B: But Jarmo said...
A: He's lying.
B: Team is winning now.
A: Exactly.

All: Next!

 

[ca5150]

This is good stuff boys! 6 wins in a row, beat the 2 best teams in the East, only 6 out of the playoffs and we are going Lord of the Flies on each other! Very entertaining! Keep it up, slow day at work today and this is making time go by faster!

 

[thebus2288*]

I have a hard time with this discussion because we're not discussing anything concrete.

Does anybody have some names they can throw out there - of guys passed through waivers between roughly Oct. 15th and Nov. 15th? Or guys who were definitely being shopped, that you think Jarmo should have bid on?

A resigned Foligno could still get us Perron or Eberle right?? I know, I know...Foligno PLUS a 1st for Eberle right??

Please point out posts in which any of the above bolded players were shopped for help during the injury crisis before insinuating that's what anyone of sound mind wanted.

TOO MANY people were ok with dealing Foligno for an "upgrade" earlier in the year.

 

[db2011]

Dear God please let me save us all some time and boil this same old **** down in one post.

A: Do something!
B: What? Name someone.
A: That's Jarmo's job.
B: But Jarmo said...
A: He's lying.
B: Team is winning now.
A: Exactly.

All: Next!

The bolded is bollocks and you know it. None of us ever gets these things right in the specifics because there is a universe of players and deals out there that we will never know. We just don't have that knowledge. The "He's lying" part is ********, too, I've never said he was lying. I believe he could have done a better job and that he knows how to spin things, as all FO people do. In fact your entire boiled-down post is a waste of time. Let's try an alternate version

A: Hold the line, we don't need to do anything
B: We're about to tie the franchise record for consecutive losses. The Columbus Blue Jackets franchise we're talking about
A: What, you think we can trade a couple draft picks for Crosby?
B: That's not what I'm saying at all. Low-impact players to fill in and help the youngsters
A: Look, we got Jordan Leopold and Kevin Connauton now
B: I thought you said we don't need to do anything?
A: Exactly

I've got no problem admitting when I'm wrong. It's a healthy thing to do. I'm not wrong here because what I wanted to happen has happened, but later than it should have.

 

[cslebn]

This is good stuff boys! 6 wins in a row, beat the 2 best teams in the East, only 6 out of the playoffs and we are going Lord of the Flies on each other! Very entertaining! Keep it up, slow day at work today and this is making time go by faster!

QFT b/c of the Lord of the Flies reference

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

The bolded is bollocks and you know it.

Are you saying no one ever posted that?

 

[DarkandStormy]

As if Jarmo has a magic button like in EA Sports to pull off a trade. Skille, Cracknell, Connauton - he had to wait for them to get waived to pick them up. So clearly they monitor that every day. They pulled the trigger on Leopold because they needed blue line depth and a veteran. They moved Erixon because they have 9-10 NHL-capable defensemen when healthy, 8 of which are expected to be healthy this week.

What's your point on timing?

 

[db2011]

Are you saying no one ever posted that?

No, I am not saying no one ever demanded a specific solution. That happened a lot. But it's a stupid demand to make because it's a near-impossible one to satisfy. If I'd had the ability to answer "Do what, exactly?" with "Trade a 5th to the Blues for Jordan Leopold and pick up Kevin Connauton off waivers", I would have done it.

It's a course of action I was calling for, and one which has been followed, but has happened later than I think it should have. Expecting fans to be able to answer exactly how that course of action should be followed is expecting too much.

 

[db2011]

As if Jarmo has a magic button like in EA Sports to pull off a trade. Skille, Cracknell, Connauton - he had to wait for them to get waived to pick them up. So clearly they monitor that every day. They pulled the trigger on Leopold because they needed blue line depth and a veteran. They moved Erixon because they have 9-10 NHL-capable defensemen when healthy, 8 of which are expected to be healthy this week.

What's your point on timing?

It's Jarmo's job. It's not easy, but it's not magic either.

My point on timing is a 9-game losing streak and a 2-15 stretch

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

It's Jarmo's job.

Almost verbatim from my summary.


You don't like that I did the summary because we butted heads on the topic. But my summary is spot on, with no bias. Read through the thread.

 

[db2011]

Almost verbatim from my summary.

not following this fragment of a post but it's certainly no cop-out to say it's his job. Since, you know, it's his job

I don't mind at all butting heads, but your summary is one among other possibilities, of which I have provided another. And please show me where anyone said Jarmo is "lying"

 

[Fro]

No, I am not saying no one ever demanded a specific solution. That happened a lot. But it's a stupid demand to make because it's a near-impossible one to satisfy. If I'd had the ability to answer "Do what, exactly?" with "Trade a 5th to the Blues for Jordan Leopold and pick up Kevin Connauton off waivers", I would have done it.

It's a course of action I was calling for, and one which has been followed, but has happened later than I think it should have. Expecting fans to be able to answer exactly how that course of action should be followed is expecting too much.

but yet you say if we believe the Jarmo talk, we're basically full of it...it can't be both ways...you said he needed to make a move, everyone said (including Jarmo) that the cost of getting help was too steep, so we stayed put, that's not the answer you want so you continue to go off on this tangent, its time to accept that he tried, and that we have what we have now b/c of it...

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

not following this fragment of a post but it's certainly no cop-out to say it's his job. Since, you know, it's his job

I'm saying my summary is accurate. (Edited post above - sorry.)

And please show me where anyone said Jarmo is "lying"

Dude. Previous page.

If you're content to buy their lip service, good for you.

 

[Crede777]

I think that we have differing views on where the franchise is and that's what is leading to the disagreement.

Are we ready to compete or are we still rebuilding? How much should Jarmo value the future versus the present? If sacrificing some of the future can bolster us in the present, should he do that?

(We have Jarmo's answer on that, by the way, which is that he is unwilling to subtract from the future to bolster the present, which indicates that we're still in the process of building.)

 

[Fro]

I think that we have differing views on where the franchise is and that's what is leading to the disagreement.

Are we ready to compete or are we still rebuilding? How much should Jarmo value the future versus the present? If sacrificing some of the future can bolster us in the present, should he do that?

(We have Jarmo's answer on that, by the way, which is that he is unwilling to subtract from the future to bolster the present, which indicates that we're still in the process of building.)

i think we're still building...but we're getting closer...

 

[Socks]

Please point out posts in which any of the above bolded players were shopped for help during the injury crisis before insinuating that's what anyone of sound mind wanted.

Please point out where you or anyone else who are upset about lack of action have any definitive proof that Jarmo wasn't trying to upgrade and that those upgrades WOULDN'T have cost us an arm and a leg. You have no idea. You only know that nothing actually happened but unless you're privy to Jarmo's cell phone logs you're just complaining to complain that he didn't try anything.

 

[db2011]

but yet you say if we believe the Jarmo talk, we're basically full of it...it can't be both ways...you said he needed to make a move, everyone said (including Jarmo) that the cost of getting help was too steep, so we stayed put, that's not the answer you want so you continue to go off on this tangent, its time to accept that he tried, and that we have what we have now b/c of it...

We didn't stay put. We've made several low-impact moves which is exactly what I was saying needed to happen. And we have what we have now because of it.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

B: Team is winning now.
A: Exactly.

Like I said.

We didn't stay put. We've made several low-impact moves which is exactly what I was saying needed to happen. And we have what we have now because of it.