Proposal: Three Way Trade between ANA, WPG, and NYR

[Ducks in a row]

I like simple trades, but I couldn't make it work, this is my best shot! Any comment is appreciated!

To Winnipeg (gives up Trouba and Hutchinson):
Jonathan Bernier
Brady Skjei
Jacob Larsson
NYRs 1st in 17'

Comment: Bernier has talent, it he worth a shot for Anaheim? Can't be worse than what they have got this season. Skjei and Larsson are two very good looking young LDs. Larsson can go to the AHL/SHL this season, Skjei can play right now. Another piece in NYR's 1st in 2017. This is a very good return in today's NHL when nobody have Cap space. A lot of cost controlled assets, decent deal IMO for Trouba.

To Anaheim (gives up Fowler, Jonathan Bernier and Jacob Larsson):
Mats Zuccarello
Dylan McIlrath
Michael Hutchinson
Comment: Anaheim clears cap space, get NYRs best forward the last years, and a young cheap physical RD in McIlrath.

To NYR (Gives up Zuccarello, McIlrath, Skjei and 1st in 17'):
Jacob Trouba
Cam Fowler
Comment: NYR needs to get Ds that can move the puck. They give up a helluva lot, but OTOH Fowler and Trouba are not old. Biggest downside is that Fowler is a UFA after next season...

Anaheim's Cap Impact:
In: 4.5m + 1.15m + 800k = 6.4m
Out: 4.15m + 4m + 925k = 9.75m
Net: 3.35m out

Winnipeg's Cap Impact:
In: 4.15m + 925k + 925k = 6m
Out: Trouba + 1.15m
Net: 4.85 - Trouba (Bernier is only signed for another year) in

NYR's Cap Impact:
In: 4m + Trouba (app. 5.5m) = 9.5m
Out: 4.5m + 800k = 5.3m
Net = 4.2m in

In other words, this deal can be done, but NYR maybe have to wait a few weeks to accrue more cap space.

We don't want Dylan McIlrath not even if we traded away two defenseman. We are not interested in trading Jacob Larsson.

 

[Maukkis]

I like simple trades, but I couldn't make it work, this is my best shot! Any comment is appreciated!

To Winnipeg (gives up Trouba and Hutchinson):
Jonathan Bernier
Brady Skjei
Jacob Larsson
NYRs 1st in 17'

Comment: Bernier has talent, it he worth a shot for Anaheim? Can't be worse than what they have got this season. Skjei and Larsson are two very good looking young LDs. Larsson can go to the AHL/SHL this season, Skjei can play right now. Another piece in NYR's 1st in 2017. This is a very good return in today's NHL when nobody have Cap space. A lot of cost controlled assets, decent deal IMO for Trouba.

To Anaheim (gives up Fowler, Jonathan Bernier and Jacob Larsson):
Mats Zuccarello
Dylan McIlrath
Michael Hutchinson
Comment: Anaheim clears cap space, get NYRs best forward the last years, and a young cheap physical RD in McIlrath.

To NYR (Gives up Zuccarello, McIlrath, Skjei and 1st in 17'):
Jacob Trouba
Cam Fowler
Comment: NYR needs to get Ds that can move the puck. They give up a helluva lot, but OTOH Fowler and Trouba are not old. Biggest downside is that Fowler is a UFA after next season...

Anaheim's Cap Impact:
In: 4.5m + 1.15m + 800k = 6.4m
Out: 4.15m + 4m + 925k = 9.75m
Net: 3.35m out

Winnipeg's Cap Impact:
In: 4.15m + 925k + 925k = 6m
Out: Trouba + 1.15m
Net: 4.85 - Trouba (Bernier is only signed for another year) in

NYR's Cap Impact:
In: 4m + Trouba (app. 5.5m) = 9.5m
Out: 4.5m + 800k = 5.3m
Net = 4.2m in

In other words, this deal can be done, but NYR maybe have to wait a few weeks to accrue more cap space.

This deal robs the Jets and benefits the Ducks and is a landslide win for the Rangers.
Horrible.

 

[KevinRedkey]

Judging by other trade threads they think trouba is comparable to lindholm.

Is this actually true? Are any Jets fan saying Trouba >or= H.Lindholm?

I can see the argument for > Klefbom (even though I disagree), but > Lindholm is more than a stretch.

 

[Ola]

This deal robs the Jets and benefits the Ducks and is a landslide win for the Rangers.
Horrible.

Hm, are you familiar with Larsson and Skjei?

Not saying that Winnipeg couldn't do better, I don't know, but I don't really think you can label a return of TWO very cost controlled top young Ds AND a 1st for Trouba as "horrible". Bernier has "potential" or whatever you want to call it. He doesn't suck and has never really been in a good environment.

NYR basically gives up the best player in the deal in Zucc. They give up Skjei who is a very good looking cost controlled young D. They give up McIlrath who is very underrated and just need to play, but sure, he doesn't have a ton of value, but many teams would be interested. And they give up a 1st round pick that probably will be closer to 16 than 30...

Look, I am not saying that this for sure would be he best return Winnipeg could get. The market is so tricky, look what Boston got for Dougie H on one hand and what NJ got for Larsson on the other hand. But I just don't agree that this is a horrible return for Winnipeg. It's a very good package in this day and age when nobody has cap room.

 

[Maukkis]

Hm, are you familiar with Larsson and Skjei?

Not saying that Winnipeg couldn't do better, I don't know, but I don't really think you can label a return of TWO very cost controlled top young Ds AND a 1st for Trouba as "horrible". Bernier has "potential" or whatever you want to call it. He doesn't suck and has never really been in a good environment.

NYR basically gives up the best player in the deal in Zucc. They give up Skjei who is a very good looking cost controlled young D. They give up McIlrath who is very underrated and just need to play, but sure, he doesn't have a ton of value, but many teams would be interested. And they give up a 1st round pick that probably will be closer to 16 than 30...

Look, I am not saying that this for sure would be he best return Winnipeg could get. The market is so tricky, look what Boston got for Dougie H on one hand and what NJ got for Larsson on the other hand. But I just don't agree that this is a horrible return for Winnipeg. It's a very good package in this day and age when nobody has cap room.

We give up a proven low-end #2 guy for nothing that helps us right now?

If Chevy was willing to take futures back, what are the chances that Trouba would've been shipped out already? Given that he requested a trade before the draft, I'm going to guess.. close to zero. Edmonton had the 4th pick, which didn't get it done. Many teams had cap space a couple months ago. They could have shipped futures out for Trouba, but that didn't happen. I wonder why?

 

[lindholmie]

Do People know that Jacob larsson is playing in the NHL right now lol

 

[anezthes]

Any comment is appreciated!

To Anaheim (gives up Fowler, Jonathan Bernier and Jacob Larsson):
Mats Zuccarello
Dylan McIlrath
Michael Hutchinson
Comment: Anaheim clears cap space, get NYRs best forward the last years, and a young cheap physical RD in McIlrath.

**** no. Not interested in trading Fowler and Larsson for Zucc and scraps.

 

[lindholmie]

**** no. Not interested in trading Fowler and Larsson for Zucc and scraps.

They're really undervaluing Larsson. He just beat out Theodore for that roster spot lol

 

[TheTakedown]

OK, fine, what do you WPG fans ACTUALLY WANT back for Trouba?

Because all I can gather is you want Ghostisbere... I can't ever see that happening

 

[Starat327]

OK, fine, what do you WPG fans ACTUALLY WANT back for Trouba?

Because all I can gather is you want Ghostisbere... I can't ever see that happening

Which is amusing for multiple reasons, not the least of which is the fact that Ghost prefers, and plays better on, the right side.

 

[KingDeathMetal]

OK, fine, what do you WPG fans ACTUALLY WANT back for Trouba?

Because all I can gather is you want Ghostisbere... I can't ever see that happening

They've basically told us "McDonagh or go f*** yourself".

Ola's deal looks good, except LOL at NYR winding up with Fowler AND Trouba. I think we'd have to give Fowler to Winnipeg in Skjei's place, and Skjei to Anaheim in McIlrath's place.

 

[Hunter368]

Just who exactly do you see as a comparable to Trouba? Fowler is about as close as you're gonna get among players reasonably available. Probably pretty even players right now tho with Trouba having more upside. Saying Fowler is 50 cents on the dollar is asinine.

Skill aside (which we won't agree on), Fowler is signed for two years, Trouba has four years at a min left of control. So yes Fowler is at best 50 cents on the dollar.

As fans we have no clue who is truly available b/c that's often not made public.

 

[snipes]

In this case, it's trying to use statistics to make an in-depth analysis based on a huge amount of assumptions.

Translation: Making **** up.

He just tried to put together an entire story of the games based on some numbers, and despite not seeing the games in question.

Oilerbear is our resident savant. Sometimes we can't tell if he's completely off the mark or if he's on some rainman level and see's things we all miss.

I flip back and forth between off the mark and rainman level. He did come up with an interesting High Scoring Chance Area (HSCA) theory that does have some merit to it.

 

[aufheben]

Skill aside (which we won't agree on), Fowler is signed for two years, Trouba has four years at a min left of control. So yes Fowler is at best 50 cents on the dollar.

As fans we have no clue who is truly available b/c that's often not made public.

Make an educated guess.

 

[Emerald Duck]

Skill aside (which we won't agree on), Fowler is signed for two years, Trouba has four years at a min left of control. So yes Fowler is at best 50 cents on the dollar.

As fans we have no clue who is truly available b/c that's often not made public.

Except Fowler is on the ice playing excellent hockey and Trouba is home wrapping his sticks, watching hockey on TV and continuing the narrative that he wants to be traded. "Bird in the hand vs two in the bush" disputes your 50 cents on the dollar analogy

November is going to be a tense month for unsigned RFAs like Lindholm and Trouba. NHL is better off having both players back on the ice.

 

[tbcwpg]

Fowler is mainly undesirable to Jets fans for 2 reasons:

1) He's only 2 years away from UFA, which is realistically when the consistent playoff team window is opening.
2) He would have to be protected in the expansion draft, which means someone else is out the door.

Also there's the question of whether he's good enough. I like him but if he was the main return for Trouba, then all we're doing is help Anaheim continue to be a top end team for years to come and helping their cap situation.

 

[Hunter368]

Here's the thing, the jets are never going to get "market value" Id they are limiting themselves to Left Handed defensemen... Are all WPG fans trying to tell me there is Nothing else on that team that could stand to be upgraded?

Not sure what market value, vague comment.

Will Chevy get a similar lhd , Trouba? Not sure

Will Chevy change his return demands to BPA? Maybe

Will Chevy get very good value in return? Absolutely

 

[Hunter368]

Except Fowler is on the ice playing excellent hockey and Trouba is home wrapping his sticks, watching hockey on TV and continuing the narrative that he wants to be traded. "Bird in the hand vs two in the bush" disputes your 50 cents on the dollar analogy

November is going to be a tense month for unsigned RFAs like Lindholm and Trouba. NHL is better off having both players back on the ice.

Our ownership group looks at the big picture, they won't sell Trouba off cheap for Fowler or someone like him....theyre playing the strategic game, long game.

Trouba at worse will come crawling back to Chevy begging for a deal late Nov. His agent hinted already to this. How long is the term is the big question. The money will be 5-5.75 mil for a 4-6 year deal. There will be no one year deal for Trouba. Then down the road Chevy will trade him when the deal is right, just like Kane (who Chevy waited on dealing reportedly three years).

 

[Hunter368]

Fowler is mainly undesirable to Jets fans for 2 reasons:

1) He's only 2 years away from UFA, which is realistically when the consistent playoff team window is opening.
2) He would have to be protected in the expansion draft, which means someone else is out the door.

Also there's the question of whether he's good enough. I like him but if he was the main return for Trouba, then all we're doing is help Anaheim continue to be a top end team for years to come and helping their cap situation.

Correct on all points. Fowler isn't the answer. If Trouba was traded straight up for fowler, rightfully so there would be discussions that Chevy needs to be fired. Huge mistake if done.

 

[mondo3]

Correct on all points. Fowler isn't the answer. If Trouba was traded straight up for fowler, rightfully so there would be discussions that Chevy needs to be fired. Huge mistake if done.

What if it was Fowler plus say a first? (ana would never do this, but just for arguments sake...)

 

[Hunter368]

What if it was Fowler plus say a first? (ana would never do this, but just for arguments sake...)

I've stated before many times, fowler + could work......but Chevy doesn't need more picks. It would have to be a high end LHD prospect. If that happened we like would have to add a 3rd line forward prospect or young forward roster player on elc to balance it out. Example Dano or Armia or Lemieux, etc.

IMO fowler straight up would be epically bad for the jets. Fowler + (high end LHD prospect) for Trouba+ (3rd line prospect) might work.

No interest in picks, Chevy has already stated that

 

[crowi]

So many problems with this proposal, but the fact Anaheim just throws in J. Larsson is deal-breaking.

 

[crowi]

I've stated before many times, fowler + could work......but Chevy doesn't need more picks. It would have to be a high end LHD prospect. If that happened we like would have to add a 3rd line forward prospect or young forward roster player on elc to balance it out. Example Dano or Armia or Lemieux, etc.

IMO fowler straight up would be epically bad for the jets. Fowler + (high end LHD prospect) for Trouba+ (3rd line prospect) might work.

No interest in picks, Chevy has already stated that

Ducks have trouble signing Lindholm (who is better than Trouba) and you think it could work we also worry about Trouba that we absolutely couldn't afford ever.... ok. I see you took your time on this.

 

[Heldig]

Is this actually true? Are any Jets fan saying Trouba >or= H.Lindholm?

I can see the argument for > Klefbom (even though I disagree), but > Lindholm is more than a stretch.

Maybe 1 or 2 fans have said so.

Majority have said a good expansion exempt forward would have to be added but it still makes no sense for Anaheim to trade for Trouba.

 

[Whileee]

Unfortunately, that's all that's on the market right now. Nobody wants to part with the direct LHD equivalent of Trouba because they want that player on their team.

Which means WPG needs to either a) trade Trouba to solidify a different weakness on their team, b) lower their demands for Trouba if they insist on a LHD, or c) do nothing and pray trouba signs (doubtful at this point)--the longer Chevy sits on Trouba, the lower his value is going to be when he is finally traded.

I'm not saying Skjei is the answer, but if WPG wants direct equal value, the best they will get RIGHT NOW would be both Fowler AND Skjei--Fowler for short term #1LHD duties, and Skjei for long term #1LHD duties

Fowler just isn't that good, and he has less than two years before UFA. He also needs to be protected in the expansion draft, which would force the Jets to give up extra value in the expansion draft. I'd rather trade for a good top six forward with term and a D prospect than go for Fowler.