OT: Thread About Nothing (TaN #...lost count)

[Bleedred]

I think I am one of the few people from my generation that can't stand the Beastie Boys.

Mostly because the first time I heard the Beastie Boys they were a punk band and what they became famous for was nothing more than a Weird Al kind of schtick.

This was the Beastie Boys before the schtick. Their whole persona was a joke.

That was pretty cool.

I don't mind them as a whole, but I don't really listen to them much either. I never really did.

 

[JimEIV]

I just had a real argument with my wife whether or not a burrito is a sandwich

 

[TheUnseenHand]

I just had a real argument with my wife whether or not a burrito is a sandwich

Unrelated to this debate that seems to crop up now and again, and part me hesitates to ask you considering the directions you could go, but have you ever heard of microfishing? This has recently piqued my way interest. Basically the goal is to catch the smallest fish you can, and as many species as possible. I find it interesting because it opens up old spots to new possibilities. Tiny streams that might not be big enough to hold trout might hold dozens of minnow, dace, darter, sculpin, etc., species. It seems you use the lightest rod you can find. Some people use rods with no reel, some spool up a tiny reel with 8x tippet. A lot of people make their own dough bait for it. I have the gear for this, but I never really thought to purposely pursue what would normally be considered bait fish. But there has got to be some challenge there. I'd imagine darters would be particularly tough to catch. And some of the breeding males of certain darter species have incredible colors rivaling many saltwater fish species.

 

[My3Sons]

I just had a real argument with my wife whether or not a burrito is a sandwich

So you've moved past the well publicized "hot dog as sandwich" debate?

 

[RangerDoggo]

I just had a real argument with my wife whether or not a burrito is a sandwich

Oh God

 

[JimEIV]

Unrelated to this debate that seems to crop up now and again, and part me hesitates to ask you considering the directions you could go, but have you ever heard of microfishing? This has recently piqued my way interest. Basically the goal is to catch the smallest fish you can, and as many species as possible. I find it interesting because it opens up old spots to new possibilities. Tiny streams that might not be big enough to hold trout might hold dozens of minnow, dace, darter, sculpin, etc., species. It seems you use the lightest rod you can find. Some people use rods with no reel, some spool up a tiny reel with 8x tippet. A lot of people make their own dough bait for it. I have the gear for this, but I never really thought to purposely pursue what would normally be considered bait fish. But there has got to be some challenge there. I'd imagine darters would be particularly tough to catch. And some of the breeding males of certain darter species have incredible colors rivaling many saltwater fish species.

Yes I have heard of it...I follow a couple of Japanese fly fishermen and fly tyers on Instagram who post species of dace, chubs and shiners that are absolutely gorgeous.

I am interested from a fly tying perspective. I think the tiny tying is an amazing skill...you have to be aware of every single fiber you use and every wrap of thread you turn to tie on a size #32 hook.

This is a good discussion on a fly tying forum of the smallest hooks...look at the very first fly in that discussion it's a size #32... it's mind blowing

smallest hooks

 

[JimEIV]

So you've moved past the well publicized "hot dog as sandwich" debate?

If a wrap is sandwich a burrito is a sandwich is my thinking.

 

[Tao Jersey Jones]

If a wrap is sandwich a burrito is a sandwich is my thinking.

But not a chimichanga because it's too greasy to eat with your hands.

 

[JimEIV]

But not a chimichanga because it's too greasy to eat with your hands.

Plenty of people eat sandwiches with a knife and fork ..eggs Benedict is also a sandwich

 

[Tao Jersey Jones]

Plenty of people eat sandwiches with a knife and fork ..eggs Benedict is also a sandwich

Shit on a shingle it you're going open faced.

Sloppy Joe is a manwich.

 

[My3Sons]

If a wrap is sandwich a burrito is a sandwich is my thinking.

i think there is a naming element. Do you have to define the filling or not? You can say burger and 95 out if 100 American people know what you mean. You can say hot dog and people know what you mean. Sure you have to add ketchup mustard or lettuce tomato cheese but even the basic version is complete. You can’t just order a sandwich. It has to be a ham turkey or tuna or roast beef or liver wurst or PBJ whatever but it’s required to add to the word sandwich to actually get something to eat beyond maybe two plain slices of bread and that is debatable. Just my thought.

 

[njdevils1982]

If a wrap is sandwich a burrito is a sandwich is my thinking.

f*** no

a wrap is a wrap...a burrito is a burrito...and a sandwich is a sandwich.

and my beer is empty!

 

[Patrik26]

My recollection of the Jersey scene then was the Stone Pony ads on PLJ and NEW and the attention given to Southside Johnnie. For what it's worth, the Jersey scene was perceived in my little circle as an offshoot of the Springsteen style and it had fans. I realize it was more than that, but with the overpowering success of Springsteen back then I can see why they pushed the groups pursing that sound and with the big media outlets in NY I can see how it got lumped in. To me, the whole area was a monolith. I saw some cultural differences between Staten Island, Long Island, Westchester, northern NJ, and NYC, but they had a lot more in common than anyone from the outlying areas (for me that was past Rockland County or north of Westchester) once I went to college. I had much more overlap with someone from Middletown or Hoboken than someone from Buffalo even if I was in the same state as Buffalo.

Did someone say Southside Johnny? I've seen him and the Jukes a number of times at different venues including the old Capitol Theatre in Passaic way back when, BB Kings, and most recently at the Newton Theatre.

 

[Billdo]

Burritos are not sandwiches and neither is eggs benedict.

 

[My3Sons]

Burritos are not sandwiches and neither is eggs benedict.

That’s interesting. Eggs Benedict as an open faced sandwich.

 

[njdevils1982]

That’s interesting. Eggs Benedict as an open faced sandwich.

does that make pizza an open faced sandwich too?

 

[My3Sons]

does that make pizza an open faced sandwich too?

I’m not saying I agree. To me they are different though. Pizza is a thing in and of itself like a hamburger or hot dog. You can order a pizza without saying anything else (unless you live near me where they think they have to ask you if you mean cheese pizza).

 

[Billdo]

That’s interesting. Eggs Benedict as an open faced sandwich.

I just don't see it as an opened faced sandwich. The pizza comment below is a good reason why. I think these things can all be their own thing. Like you know a hot dog is a hot dog, a burger a burger, etc. I don't think I've ever met anyone who considered eggs benedict an opened face sandwich although I can guarantee I've never had this conversation in my life prior to now.

 

[njdevils1982]

I just don't see it as an opened faced sandwich. The pizza comment below is a good reason why. I think these things can all be their own thing. Like you know a hot dog is a hot dog, a burger a burger, etc. I don't think I've ever met anyone who considered eggs benedict an opened face sandwich although I can guarantee I've never had this conversation in my life prior to now.

just wait until we get to panzerottis vs calzones!

and the lobster "roll"

 

[My3Sons]

I just don't see it as an opened faced sandwich. The pizza comment below is a good reason why. I think these things can all be their own thing. Like you know a hot dog is a hot dog, a burger a burger, etc. I don't think I've ever met anyone who considered eggs benedict an opened face sandwich although I can guarantee I've never had this conversation in my life prior to now.

i don’t think it is either. I just hadn’t considered the open faced element and am still formulating how that plays into my theory of sandwich relativity.

 

[My3Sons]

just wait until we get to panzerottis vs calzones!

and the lobster "roll"

lobster roll may be my favorite lunch food. It’s on a bun but it’s more akin to a hot dog to me.

 

[njdevils1982]

all this sandwich talk got me remembering this

 

[Saugus]

f*** no

a wrap is a wrap...a burrito is a burrito...and a sandwich is a sandwich.

and my beer is empty!

The clue is that they are different words.

To me, it's not a sandwich unless it uses leavened bread that is sliced in some way. Anything that uses a flatbread or tortilla is in a different category.

 

[None Shall Pass]

A burrito is not a sandwich. I'd argue that a burrito is its own category, or that "wraps" in general are their own category, which the burrito itself belongs to.

I've thought a lot about this debate. To me, the heuristics of what makes a sandwich are thus:

-The outside is a yeasted bread. A roll cut in half (separated or not), OR at least two slices of bread, or one large piece of bread folded. Examples: A sub, a club sandwich, a gyro or other pita sandwich (I read that pitas and other "flatbreads" use yeast). Tortillas do not contain yeast, so wraps and such are out. Pizza does not come pre-folded, it's out.

-It is not sealed shut (Like a burrito or calzone is). There is at least one open side when construction is complete.

-You can reasonably eat it with your hands without making a huge mess. This part is a little subjective. Crumbs are normal. Eating eggs benedict or an open-faced "sandwich" from a diner with your hands would be a mess; they are not sandwiches, despite their names (But they are delicious).

-My most controversial thought: You only need to eat one of said item to consider it a meal. This is extremely subjective, but it's how I arbitrarily justify not calling a hot dog a sandwich. If I have one hot dog, I am still very hungry. A 12-foot party sub counts because it started life as one very long sandwich that was cut into pieces. You have a few pieces, you have eaten a sandwich, just not an entire one.

Examples of sandwiches:
-Subs / heroes / hoagies / grinders
-Paninis
-Hamburgers on a bun
-Gyros / kebab sandwiches

Examples of "not sandwiches":
-Burritos, tacos, quesadillas, and pretty much every Mexican American staple besides the cemita and the torta.
-Open-faced anything
-Sushi
-Pizza

 

[JimEIV]

@TheUnseenHand So are you interested in Tenkara at all? Seems to lend itself to micro fishing