Player Discussion Thomas Chabot (D) Part 2

[JD1]

I think your logic is flawed mostly because you are way underestimating Chychrun’s next contract. He’s getting 7.5M minimum and that’s likely only happening in a no/low tax location.

Lots of guys here thought Zub was getting 6+.

If Chychrun is going to get massive money, ya, it's a different discussion. Chychrun has some warts too.

Where do you see Chychrun? Low end top pair? High end 2nd pair?

It depends what he's going to sign at.

 

[KevinRedkey]

Lots of guys here thought Zub was getting 6+.

If Chychrun is going to get massive money, ya, it's a different discussion. Chychrun has some warts too.

Where do you see Chychrun? Low end top pair? High end 2nd pair?

It depends what he's going to sign at.

Chychrun will get between 6.250 and 8.000, with a high likelihood of it being in the low to mid 7s.

Dunn (7.350), Orlov (7.750) and Severson (6.250) will be some recent comparables he uses for negotiations.

FWIW I consider him a 2D/3D depending on who he's partnered with.

 

[Xspyrit]

Lots of guys here thought Zub was getting 6+.

If Chychrun is going to get massive money, ya, it's a different discussion. Chychrun has some warts too.

Where do you see Chychrun? Low end top pair? High end 2nd pair?

It depends what he's going to sign at.

32 teams, 2 guys per top pair, Chychrun is a top pairing D-man but I'd say low end. Chabot is more around 30th (not Top-20 anymore due to so many guys emerging vs not as many fading out)

In recent NHL fantasy rankings, Chabot was ranked 23rd, Chychrun 26th and Sanderson 31st

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[JD1]

32 teams, 2 guys per top pair, Chychrun is a top pairing D-man but I'd say low end. Chabot is more around 30th (not Top-20 anymore due to so many guys emerging vs not as many fading out)

In recent NHL fantasy rankings, Chabot was ranked 23rd, Chychrun 26th and Sanderson 31st

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What do fantasy rankings have to do with anything?

 

[GCK]

Lots of guys here thought Zub was getting 6+.

If Chychrun is going to get massive money, ya, it's a different discussion. Chychrun has some warts too.

Where do you see Chychrun? Low end top pair? High end 2nd pair?

It depends what he's going to sign at.

I see Chychrun as a low end 1st pair if he is on the left side with the proper partner. His decision making is very suspect but he is a lot like Werenski. I think he gets 8+ on the open market.

 

[bert]

I wouldn't get rid of Brannstrom but I think the team will.

I also don't think Kleven will be very good in the NHL next year, if ever.

Ever?... He's a big d man he has a longer development curve. I think he's an ideal 3rd pairing guy. Him and JBD on the third pair could be really solid.

I'd be fine with keeping Branntsrom once they trade Chychrun but he's paid way too much for a utility player. It's probably time to move on.

It's actually unbelievable how good Chabot has been since he was benched. Sign me up for this guy if he can stay healthy and plays like this consistently. However 3 games is a very small sample size.

 

[bert]

He’s been playing extremely well since the coaching change, it’s not something that’s come on recently.

GP	G	A	PTS	+/-	PIM	EV	PP	SH	GW	EV	PP	SH	S	S%	SHFT	TOI	ATOI
24	5	12	17	5	14	4	1	0	0	8	4	0	56	8.9	645	574:41	23:57

His mistakes, of which he has absolutely made, are being made by literally every D on the and team, get amplified online at a level much higher than anyone else.

Yes it has. His intensity, compete and urgency has been upped substantially. Mistakes are fine if the player is playing the right way. He wasn't.

 

[Micklebot]

Ever?... He's a big d man he has a longer development curve. I think he's an ideal 3rd pairing guy. Him and JBD on the third pair could be really solid.

I'd be fine with keeping Branntsrom once they trade Chychrun but he's paid way too much for a utility player. It's probably time to move on.

It's actually unbelievable how good Chabot has been since he was benched. Sign me up for this guy if he can stay healthy and plays like this consistently. However 3 games is a very small sample size.

I feel like Kleven is getting the same treatment as JBD did from fans, many liked Thomson more, but in the end it's JBD that is playing at the NHL level.


Kleven to me is more promising than JBD was at the same stage in their development, he gives me Carlo vibes

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Matt Roy is the dream. But everyone will be after him. Doubt we get him.

And we know staios is gonna open up the cheque book for tanev. I suspect a bad contract is coming there.

 

[BondraTime]

Yes it has. His intensity, compete and urgency has been upped substantially. Mistakes are fine if the player is playing the right way. He wasn't.

They absolutely have, but he’s been playing at a high level ever since he started playing under Martin on December 29th.

He’s been a net positive when he’s been on the ice in every facet of the game, even with his gaffs, of which he’s absolutely had.

If he continues to play as he has the past week and a half, he’s more than an 8 million dollar guy, I’m not sure he’ll continue that level over a full season, but the level he’s been for 2 months and the Sens are extremely pleased with what they have. A 60ish point, 23 minute a night guy who’s playing ~3/8 of the ES minutes for the Sens and tilting the ice in their favour.

Even at the beginning of the year, I saw a guy who is tilting the ice in the favour of the Sens. Still has his gaffs, as every D does, but the team is generally better off when he’s been on the ice compared to off.

 

[bert]

They absolutely have, but he’s been playing at a high level ever since he started playing under Martin on December 29th.

He’s been a net positive when he’s been on the ice in every facet of the game, even with his gaffs, of which he’s absolutely had.

If he continues to play as he has the past week and a half, he’s more than an 8 million dollar guy, I’m not sure he’ll continue that level over a full season, but the level he’s been for 2 months and the Sens are extremely pleased with what they have. A 60ish point, 23 minute a night guy who’s playing ~3/8 of the ES minutes for the Sens and tilting the ice in their favour.

Even at the beginning of the year, I saw a guy who is tilting the ice in the favour of the Sens. Still has his gaffs, as every D does, but the team is generally better off when he’s been on the ice compared to off.

I just dont agree, he took a while to adjust. He was never holding the blue line, he wasnt taking hits to make plays and he wasnt playing with urgency. Its got better for sure but he had some horrible games and I am not talking about gafs. Players have gafs his issue was doing the little things that arent fun that make a big difference in a game.

This is how he should be playing more often than not, I know he came back from an injury but his intensity wasnt where it needed to be. We have seen it the last three games but the three games before that were some of the worst of his career. He needs to find that consistency.

Matt Roy is the dream. But everyone will be after him. Doubt we get him.

And we know staios is gonna open up the cheque book for tanev. I suspect a bad contract is coming there.

Between Demelo, Tanev and Roy the sens need to get one of them. Thats why they need Chychruns money off the books next season and they need to maximize his value now via trade so a team gets him for two playoff runs.

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

This would be his first pro season out of the 7 in which he would finish with a positive -/+ stat. DJ Smith owes this man 4-5 years of his pro hockey career back, completely wasted.

 

[DueDiligence]

They absolutely have, but he’s been playing at a high level ever since he started playing under Martin on December 29th.

He’s been a net positive when he’s been on the ice in every facet of the game, even with his gaffs, of which he’s absolutely had.

If he continues to play as he has the past week and a half, he’s more than an 8 million dollar guy, I’m not sure he’ll continue that level over a full season, but the level he’s been for 2 months and the Sens are extremely pleased with what they have. A 60ish point, 23 minute a night guy who’s playing ~3/8 of the ES minutes for the Sens and tilting the ice in their favour.

Even at the beginning of the year, I saw a guy who is tilting the ice in the favour of the Sens. Still has his gaffs, as every D does, but the team is generally better off when he’s been on the ice compared to off.

Chabot is benefiting from having a real 2 way stud Dman in Sanderson to play behind. Sanderson is playing the hard minutes against top tier talent and Chabot is free to play less minutes and do his thing. Similar to what Tavares has playing behind Matthews.

 

[Sensinitis]

It’s become pretty evident that within a good system with good insulation and not being overplayed, that Chabot is a top pair caliber dman and he is better than Chychrun.

I also think he’ll age better because of his effortless skating.

 

[Xspyrit]

What do fantasy rankings have to do with anything?

It reflects production, couldn't find a recent ranking quickly but in the past, Chabot has always been ranked around 20th. Even in the HF polls section, he was ranked 16th in the 2022 summer. And before you say "2 years ago", I'll reply in advance : "I know, just couldn't find anything more recent" but don't worry, Chabot has been trending back to his elite level of 2021-22 since the coaching change.

This would be his first pro season out of the 7 in which he would finish with a positive -/+ stat. DJ Smith owes this man 4-5 years of his pro hockey career back, completely wasted.

Don't forget Dorion, who for example, prevented him to play with Dylan DeMelo as a partner. Chabot had to go through a full mismanaged rebuild by himself until help started coming. Zub and Brannstrom in 2020-21 but they were totally new to the NHL. Now that Sanderson and a real NHL coaching staff is here, he can maybe finally reach his full potential

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

Chabot will age better than Chychrun just because of his skating and his ceiling being a lot higher.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I just dont agree, he took a while to adjust. He was never holding the blue line, he wasnt taking hits to make plays and he wasnt playing with urgency. Its got better for sure but he had some horrible games and I am not talking about gafs. Players have gafs his issue was doing the little things that arent fun that make a big difference in a game.

This is how he should be playing more often than not, I know he came back from an injury but his intensity wasnt where it needed to be. We have seen it the last three games but the three games before that were some of the worst of his career. He needs to find that consistency.


Between Demelo, Tanev and Roy the sens need to get one of them. Thats why they need Chychruns money off the books next season and they need to maximize his value now via trade so a team gets him for two playoff runs.

Those are three price points I would imagine. Roy may get a serious pay day.

The only thing about demelo is his age. I don’t know if I want to give him that 4 year deal.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Chabot is benefiting from having a real 2 way stud Dman in Sanderson to play behind. Sanderson is playing the hard minutes against top tier talent and Chabot is free to play less minutes and do his thing. Similar to what Tavares has playing behind Matthews.

That can be true at home, not as much on the road.

 

[OD99]

If Chabby keeps this up, he may garner consideration for Team Canada.

He is playing great right now.

 

[NyQuil]

If Chabby keeps this up, he may garner consideration for Team Canada.

He is playing great right now.

He's got a long way to go.

Still, Canada is uncharacteristically weak on D and in net.

 

[Loach]

He's got a long way to go.

Still, Canada is uncharacteristically weak on D and in net.

And a short time to get there. He goin do what they say can't be done.

 

[Wallet Inspector]

Man if Chabot could return to his 2018-2019 form, I would happier than a pig in mud.

 

[DueDiligence]

That can be true at home, not as much on the road.

Well PKs are the same home and road and Sandy always does them, and Chabot never does.

 

[JD1]

I feel like Kleven is getting the same treatment as JBD did from fans, many liked Thomson more, but in the end it's JBD that is playing at the NHL level.


Kleven to me is more promising than JBD was at the same stage in their development, he gives me Carlo vibes

Carlo vibes? Because he's tall?

 

[Micklebot]

Carlo vibes? Because he's tall?

Both big physical guys skate well for their size, long reach, hard shot, defensive dmen.

Size is obviously part of it but the comparison goes further just tall, otherwise I might have said Wiercioch