Player Discussion Thomas Chabot (D) Part 2

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Benefited for finally getting benched for playing poorly. He has responded.

Not only that, but his ice time has consistently gone down since Sanderson has arrived.

In the three years before Sanderson's arrival, Chabot played an average of 1.5mins a game at even strength more than anyone else in the league (not to mention that he led the league in TOI/game). Chabot played more per game at ES than Lindholm, Brodin, Fox, Hamilton, Weegar, Pulock, Spurgeoon, and many others did in total. Since Sandy has come on, Chabot is average about 1.5mins less per game total and 1.5m less per game at ES.

Those extra minutes impact on you and even if DJ was gone to start last season, it would have taken time for his body & mind to adjust to that type of reduction.

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

Not only that, but his ice time has consistently gone down since Sanderson has arrived.

In the three years before Sanderson's arrival, Chabot played an average of 1.5mins a game at even strength more than anyone else in the league (not to mention that he led the league in TOI/game). Chabot played more per game at ES than Lindholm, Brodin, Fox, Hamilton, Weegar, Pulock, Spurgeoon, and many others did in total. Since Sandy has come on, Chabot is average about 1.5mins less per game total and 1.5m less per game at ES.

Those extra minutes impact on you and even if DJ was gone to start last season, it would have taken time for his body & mind to adjust to that type of reduction.

DJ was starting to feed Sanderson those minutes. Would have ruined him too if it was carried on for much longer.

 

[BondraTime]

Get him at 23ish minutes, where he should be, and you have an extremely good 2nd pair anchor.

He's still 6th in the NHL this season in ES time on ice, that should be probably dropped a bit, he'd still be top 20 in the league even dropping more than a minute.

Right now, he's the active leader in the entire NHL in ES minutes over their careers.

Counting every player active in the NHL's highest ES season, Chabot accounts for 3 of the top 10 seasons, Suter 3 as well. The only D in the top 10 are Suter, Chabot, EK and Doughty.

He's been played to death, playing well over 1/3 of every game he's played at ES. Take out his rookie season and he's sitting over 22 minutes per game at even strength. That's unsustainable. That number has only been hit 8 times by any player in the league, 3 of them by Chabot, 3 of them by Suter.

 

[Alex1234]

I question his Hockey IQ and decision making (it's way to slow many times and often he makes the bad decision out of three options he had). That turnover against Dallas shows was exactly what I mean (on the lonely goal for the Stars). With under 15 seconds to play in the first period he can do a flip dump out of the zone and the period is over with a 1-0 lead. That turnovers happened way too much. Hope JM can fix it, but his lack of physicality and poise it’s a problem for a 8 million dollar man. I saw nearly every game since he was drafted and he regressed from season to season. I really hope he proofs me wrong but this is how I see TC72.

Really good game yesterday a part from that brain fart
But yeah his slowness would be a nightmare in the PO
Would need a stuuuud at RHD to balance the pair

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Chabot played incredible last night. Looking like a completely different player under JM, which is what many speculated could happen. JM making some good ice time decisions with the group in general. I've been happy with their deployment.

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

I got glimpses of his Gold Medal world juniors game last night. He was great at both ends of the ice, covering so much ice with his skating, having an active stick and pressuring the puck carriers.

 

[Micklebot]

Really good game yesterday a part from that brain fart
But yeah his slowness would be a nightmare in the PO
Would need a stuuuud at RHD to balance the pair

So, funny thing about that, the puck would have easily cleared had Brady not deflected it, slowing it down enough for Heiskanen to get to it. I'm not sure if the intent was to clear it, or if it was to pass it to Tkachuk,

Was it a brain fart by Chabot, or Tkachuk? Both? idk

 

[Alex1234]

So, funny thing about that, the puck would have easily cleared had Brady not deflected it, slowing it down enough for Heiskanen to get to it. I'm not sure if the intent was to clear it, or if it was to pass it to Tkachuk,

Was it a brain fart by Chabot, or Tkachuk? Both? idk

He tried to swing it thru Pavelski, Benn and Heiskanen ( debatable but I looked at the replay 7 times and don't think it clears even if Brady doesn't touch it)
If he lobes it out, we don't even talk about it
Anyway , his best game of the season, bar is low you tell me but if they could acquire a solid stay at home RHD it would help a lot since his contract is unmoveable

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Crazy what a benching and I’m sure a few strong words can do.

 

[Micklebot]

He tried to swing it thru Pavelski, Benn and Heiskanen ( debatable but I looked at the replay 7 times and don't think it clears even if Brady doesn't touch it)
If he lobes it out, we don't even talk about it
Anyway , his best game of the season, bar is low you tell me but if they could acquire a solid stay at home RHD it would help a lot since his contract is unmoveable

It pretty easily clears without Brady touching it imo, Heiskanen picks it up about a foot off the blue line, and brady's deflection took a lot of speed off that puck, but I do think it was intended as a pass, idk for sure though.

 

[Micklebot]

Crazy what a benching and I’m sure a few strong words can do.

I mean, he literally missed one shift in the game people said he was benched for, coaches adjust pairings all the time when defending a lead in the final mins of a game, it's just normally people don't start call that benching, just like we aren't benching Zub if we double shift Chabot or Chychrun to play a shift with Sanderson late in a game we're trailing.

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

I mean, he literally missed one shift in the game people said he was benched for, coaches adjust pairings all the time when defending a lead in the final mins of a game, it's just normally people don't start call that benching, just like we aren't benching Zub if we double shift Chabot or Chychrun to play a shift with Sanderson late in a game we're trailing.

This is true but it's just rare. I don't think there's been a 5 min stretch of no Chabot unless we had a major penalty. With the old guard, he may have been on the ice for 4 of those 5 min.

 

[Micklebot]

This is true but it's just rare. I don't think there's been a 5 min stretch of no Chabot unless we had a major penalty. With the old guard, he may have been on the ice for 4 of those 5 min.

Sure, but it was only a 5 min stretch because they kept icing the puck and no change was possible. They put Chychrun out instead of Chabot after an extended shift by Zub and Sanderson for that one shift and no other line change was possible for the remainder of the game because they kept icing the puck. Chabot took his regular shift with JBD. Then Chychrun and Brannstrom took their regular shift. Then Sanderson and Zub got caught on the ice for a little over a min, then Chych came on with JBD in the final 2 mins getting hemmed in and icing the puck twice. Now, I do think the next pair up was Zub and Sanderson, so maybe Chabot never gets another shift (he'd still have only missed the one)

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I mean, he literally missed one shift in the game people said he was benched for, coaches adjust pairings all the time when defending a lead in the final mins of a game, it's just normally people don't start call that benching, just like we aren't benching Zub if we double shift Chabot or Chychrun to play a shift with Sanderson late in a game we're trailing.

Chabot knew he wasn’t on there late in the game in crunch time. While chychrun was. And while Sanderson was.

 

[Alex1234]

Sure, but it was only a 5 min stretch because they kept icing the puck and no change was possible. They put Chychrun out instead of Chabot after an extended shift by Zub and Sanderson for that one shift and no other line change was possible for the remainder of the game because they kept icing the puck. Chabot took his regular shift with JBD. Then Chychrun and Brannstrom took their regular shift. Then Sanderson and Zub got caught on the ice for a little over a min, then Chych came on with JBD in the final 2 mins getting hemmed in and icing the puck twice. Now, I do think the next pair up was Zub and Sanderson, so maybe Chabot never gets another shift (he'd still have only missed the one)

When was that?
I don't recall

 

[Micklebot]

When was that?
I don't recall

The Tbay game.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Chabot knew he wasn’t on there late in the game in crunch time. While chychrun was. And while Sanderson was.

I dunno, I think fans are reading way more into it personally.

He’s been much better since the coaching change and has been getting better as the games pile up after said coaching change.

Most of the players have.

It’s not like he saw his ice time drop like Norris has.

 

[Answer]

With all his shortcomings, Chabot is still on my no touch list. Chychrun needs to go way before Chabot.

I am more than fine with Sanderson patrolling the first line and Chabot the 2nd line

 

[PlayersLtd]

He tried to swing it thru Pavelski, Benn and Heiskanen ( debatable but I looked at the replay 7 times and don't think it clears even if Brady doesn't touch it)
If he lobes it out, we don't even talk about it
Anyway , his best game of the season, bar is low you tell me but if they could acquire a solid stay at home RHD it would help a lot since his contract is unmoveable

Not sure how you see that not clearing if Brady doesn't touch it. At worst it would have taken a great reach play by Heiskanen to keep that in. You could argue he was setting Heiskanen up for an offside play as well. And Pavelski and Benn are kind of irrelevant since it easily made it between and past them.

I think the only way it is interpreted as a bad play by Chabot is if it was intended as a pass to Brady, in which case he had a low percentage chance of controlling it and Heiskanen was bearing down for an easy break up and they had numbers on that side.

Personally I think it was intended as a clear that Chabby knew Heiskanen would get a piece of and it woudl end up broken in the neutral zone and not an icing.

 

[bert]

I mean, he literally missed one shift in the game people said he was benched for, coaches adjust pairings all the time when defending a lead in the final mins of a game, it's just normally people don't start call that benching, just like we aren't benching Zub if we double shift Chabot or Chychrun to play a shift with Sanderson late in a game we're trailing.

You'd argue anything no matter what eh. He's never been held out of a game with or without a lead like that he was benched and responded. Not everything is debatable not the same thing as holding zub out if they are chasing a game. That happens and it's not a punishment.

 

[Xspyrit]

If only we could have had a guy like DeMelo

Sanderson - Zub
Chabot - DeMelo
Brannstrom - JBD
Kleven - Guenette

 

[Alf Silfversson]

If only we could have had a guy like DeMelo

Sanderson - Zub
Chabot - DeMelo
Brannstrom - JBD
Kleven - Guenette

If we could get a clone of Zub to replace Chychrun (or Chabot) we would be set on D. A two way RD who has a focus on D first is what we need.

Sanderson - Zub
Chabot - Zub 2.0
Brannstrom - Kleven - JBD (rotate based on need)

Brannstrom has slowly shown he actually can be effective on the right in a 3rd pairing role, so any combo of those three is fine next year on the third pair.

It would make a solid D corps.

I think Brann is gone next year in favour of Kleven though and it will result in a small step back, short term at least.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

If only we could have had a guy like DeMelo

Sanderson - Zub
Chabot - DeMelo
Brannstrom - JBD
Kleven - Guenette

Well he’s a UFA this summer.

 

[StoicSensFan]

If we could get a clone of Zub to replace Chychrun (or Chabot) we would be set on D. A two way RD who has a focus on D first is what we need.

Sanderson - Zub
Chabot - Zub 2.0
Brannstrom - Kleven - JBD (rotate based on need)

Brannstrom has slowly shown he actually can be effective on the right in a 3rd pairing role, so any combo of those three is fine next year on the third pair.

It would make a solid D corps.

I think Brann is gone next year in favour of Kleven though and it will result in a small step back, short term at least.

Matt Roy is reeeeeeally similar to Zub

 

[Xspyrit]

If we could get a clone of Zub to replace Chychrun (or Chabot) we would be set on D. A two way RD who has a focus on D first is what we need.

Sanderson - Zub
Chabot - Zub 2.0
Brannstrom - Kleven - JBD (rotate based on need)

Brannstrom has slowly shown he actually can be effective on the right in a 3rd pairing role, so any combo of those three is fine next year on the third pair.

It would make a solid D corps.

I think Brann is gone next year in favour of Kleven though and it will result in a small step back, short term at least.

Yeah I cloned Zub in the past too, Chabot is the guy who needs him the most but playing with Zub also allows Sanderson to be more everywhere. Chychrun has one of the most dangerous point shots in the league but the guy we really needed was a Zub's clone

That said, DeMelo is actually close to be that guy, we traded him for a 3rd round pick when he have been needing that guy since at least 2017. This was probably Dorion first big mistake (well outside of Zibanejad and Duchene trades and the others during the firesale phase I guess, lol)

Don't know if you seen that (not sure I posted it here) but Brannstrom leads the Sens at ES in CF%, SF% and xGF%, CA/60, GA/60 the last 2 seasons combined. Second to Zub in SA/60 and xGA/60. Sure, he doesn't the toughest role but the guy is quite underrated and has done his job well overall