This is a bad hockey team

[MyLoveIsBlue]

 

[Idlerlee]

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FINE! Ill finish this popcorn and join morning skate with the Rangers lads as a Centergoaliepowerplayer

 

[mandiblesofdoom]

this team has not controlled the play (or, really even structured any kind of plan around it) since 2014. they've found ways to win outside of it (and sometimes with great success, i.e. 2015; the second half of 2019-2020). this has been an organizational problem through several regimes. I don't see an easy fix.

Exactly! It's so frustrating to watch year after year. Can't get out of the zone, always play cruddy defensemen, rarely get a good forecheck going, etc., etc.

2013-2014 they were a big possession team. What happened?

 

[Machinehead]

Honestly I don't know why we had to get this info from Vince and not @Machinehead. The latter is not doing his job.

I can't post Rangers analytics without being "angry" or "irrational" because, well, they always look like that.

this team has not controlled the play (or, really even structured any kind of plan around it) since 2014. they've found ways to win outside of it (and sometimes with great success, i.e. 2015; the second half of 2019-2020). this has been an organizational problem through several regimes. I don't see an easy fix.

Here I go with Sociology again, but I've always said this team has an issue with operationalizing hockey things.

Every team wants the same things. The Rangers don't excel at defining these things or how to get there.

Team toughness = hitting hard instead of working hard.

Controlling the play = having the lead instead of having the puck.

Shot quality = letting your opponent attempt 90 shots from "the outside" while you literally never shoot unless you're sure it's going in instead of, you know, playing hockey.

Compete level = Glass/Howden/Blais (although I like Blais) running around really REALLY f***ing hard instead of puck support and forechecking.

Accountability = either unconditional freedom or outright shitting on players, no middle ground.

I've said it before - I like Gallant. I liked him before he was on the Rangers. Evidently, coaching isn't the fix. We've been through coaches. On a higher level than coaching, this organization believes things that are wrong about modern hockey.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

The stat that says all the needs to be said is that the Rangers have a -4 goal differential right now and that’s with Shesterkin playing out of his mind and Fox picking up right where he left off. We are f***ed.

 

[tlk]

We are f***ed.

No, we are 7-3-3
Better to be that and have a shot at figuring out the solutions rather than be a .500 team the whole ssn.

 

[tlk]

Team toughness = hitting hard instead of working hard.

They've been hitting, period. Not that they've been smashing the oppo into the boards every game. At least, having watched every game so far at least partially, haven't noticed that.

Controlling the play = having the lead instead of having the puck.

We had a lead at Vanc and Oil. A good lead too.

Shot quality

Been poor - but that *is* correctable, no?

Compete level = Glass/Howden/Blais (although I like Blais) running around really REALLY f***ing hard instead of puck support and forechecking.

Thought they've been markedly better at FC

Accountability = either unconditional freedom or outright shitting on players

Nobody's been shitting on players. Ordering Bread to sit the too many men penalty or scratching Nils when the game is expected to be tough isn't exactly shitting on players IMHO.

I can't post Rangers analytics without being "angry" or "irrational" because, well, they always look like that.

Maybe to hell with it then.. You sure can get your kicks some other way)))

 

[chosen]

I can't post Rangers analytics without being "angry" or "irrational" because, well, they always look like that.


Here I go with Sociology again, but I've always said this team has an issue with operationalizing hockey things.

Every team wants the same things. The Rangers don't excel at defining these things or how to get there.

Team toughness = hitting hard instead of working hard.

Controlling the play = having the lead instead of having the puck.

Shot quality = letting your opponent attempt 90 shots from "the outside" while you literally never shoot unless you're sure it's going in instead of, you know, playing hockey.

Compete level = Glass/Howden/Blais (although I like Blais) running around really REALLY f***ing hard instead of puck support and forechecking.

Accountability = either unconditional freedom or outright shitting on players, no middle ground.

I've said it before - I like Gallant. I liked him before he was on the Rangers. Evidently, coaching isn't the fix. We've been through coaches. On a higher level than coaching, this organization believes things that are wrong about modern hockey.

Coaches are overrated on impact.

 

[RGY]

The stat that says all the needs to be said is that the Rangers have a -4 goal differential right now and that’s with Shesterkin playing out of his mind and Fox picking up right where he left off. We are f***ed.

You just have your mind made up and refuse to entertain the very real possibility that 1) this team is still settling in under Gallant and 2) their best players will start scoring more, including the kids.

 

[Doctyl]

Coaches are overrated on impact.

I think that’s mostly true with the exceptions of a truly terrible coach can really hurt you. I think the only truly excellent coach in the league that can instantly make a team better might be Trotz.

 

[mandiblesofdoom]

You just have your mind made up and refuse to entertain the very real possibility that 1) this team is still settling in under Gallant and 2) their best players will start scoring more, including the kids.

Things can improve. But so far it doesn't look good.

Things can also not improve.

 

[CLW]

Things can improve. But so far it doesn't look good.

Things can also not improve.

Ultimately what will determine this season is Shesty. The team overall, disjointed as it is, has more than enough talent to get points along the way to make the playoffs at least.

I'm expecting a huge jump in team game quality after this mini-break and GG's coaching sessions. If that doesn't work then something is profoundly wrong.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

You just have your mind made up and refuse to entertain the very real possibility that 1) this team is still settling in under Gallant and 2) their best players will start scoring more, including the kids.

I hope you’re right but I haven’t seen evidence of that coming to fruition at this point. It also doesn’t make the goal differential any less significant. Goal differential is probably the most telling stat for how a team is actually playing.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

No, we are 7-3-3
Better to be that and have a shot at figuring out the solutions rather than be a .500 team the whole ssn.

They have one more loss than wins. That’s the actual number. 7-6.

 

[effen]

Coaches are overrated on impact.

Dont sell them short. Apparently they can brainwash guys into playing shitty months and soon to be years after being fired.

 

[CLW]

They have one more loss than wins. That’s the actual number. 7-6.

It looks to me as if the actual number is how the number actually shows. 7-3-3.

But maybe the actual number is not the correct actual number, and the actual number isn't shown as the actual number would be, if the actual number was actually shown as if the correct actual number was actually actual, which is clearly isn't.

 

[Mandar]

They have one more loss than wins. That’s the actual number. 7-6.

The actual number is 17 points….see, 7-3-3 is 17 points…which equals a point percentage of .654, or a 107 point pace.

Now, 7-6 would be 14 points, which is a point percentage of .538, or an 88 point pace.

You seem to like numbers….so 107 is better than 88, wouldn’t you agree? I know math is hard, so use all your fingers and toes if it will help.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

The actual number is 17 points….see, 7-3-3 is 17 points…which equals a point percentage of .654, or a 107 point pace.

Now, 7-6 would be 14 points, which is a point percentage of .538, or an 88 point pace.

You seem to like numbers….so 107 is better than 88, wouldn’t you agree? I know math is hard, so use all your fingers and toes if it will help.

7 wins, 6 losses, with a -4 goal differential anyway you wanna church it up

 

[CLW]

7 wins, 6 losses, with a -4 goal differential anyway you wanna church it up

If you insist on doing it your way I want to see you do a complete table for all teams, including the final standing which determines which teams make the playoffs at the end of the season.

 

[Mandar]

7 wins, 6 losses, with a -4 goal differential anyway you wanna church it up

hmmm....4 points against two division rivals this weekend. You must be sooooo disappointed. So much so that not a peep from you. And you said something when I didnt comment on the Calgary game.

And still a negative goal differential, but a point percentage of .700 - a 115 point pace. But yes....you cling to the precious goal differential. I mean...its not sustainable, is it?

 

[RGY]

Goal differential is such a deceiving stat

 

[MysticLeviathan]

This team is so incredibly flawed, but right now we’re keeping pace with the best teams in the lesgue with regards to points, so I don’t know. I don’t see us making any noise at all this year. Maybe thus keeps up, who knows. I think New Year’s is when we’ll have a really good idea. We also have some real injury issues right now.

 

[Crease]

Team was never built to contend. The mandate was to make the playoffs, nothing more. 2nd Wild Card would be a success. Meanwhile, they are 9-3-3 to start, youngest team in the league, mostly on the road, dealing with early injuries/covid.

ThIs Is A Bad HoCkEy TeAm.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

hmmm....4 points against two division rivals this weekend. You must be sooooo disappointed. So much so that not a peep from you. And you said something when I didnt comment on the Calgary game.

And still a negative goal differential, but a point percentage of .700 - a 115 point pace. But yes....you cling to the precious goal differential. I mean...its not sustainable, is it?

I was talking in the game day thread. The game they almost blew because they stopped playing and needed to go to round 7 of the shootout. Against the Devils who are not very good. I hate to break this to you kid but this team ain't the 70's Canadiens you want them to be. The difference between you and I is that I see the forest for the trees. I'm interested in the long view and you can't see past today.

 

[duhmetreE]

We really dont match up well against Calgary

the goal differential comes from one team