This is a bad hockey team

[TheBloodyNine]

Sigh…..still won’t answer a simple question. Simple mind I guess.

enjoy your evening

Would still love your assessment of that Calgary game if you don’t care to run this time

 

[NY Lito]

This thread has been highly entertaining, NYR fandom at its best.

Yes, we should be happy the team is where it is in the standings and that they’re getting points in games they have no business getting points in (thank you Igor). Thats the sign of a good hockey team, good hockey teams steal points.

Yes, we should be concerned that on a seemingly nightly basis this team gets its shh kicked in 5v5. Igor isn’t Hasek, this isn’t sustainable. Nor should it have to be. My point of good teams steal points only rings true when said good team gets out of the rut. Time will tell with this group. I’m not betting either way.

 

[Mandar]

Would still love your assessment of that Calgary game if you don’t care to run this time

I guess I'm flattered that you would love my assessment....seems like an obsession on your end at this point. Okay....they played poorly in all facets of the game in Calgary, and got their asses kicked. See how easy it was to answer a question?

Since you refuse to answer the questions I have posed to you....should we consider that running from those questions? It appears so......

enjoy your day.....those ambulance chases must get tiring.

 

[CLW]

Most of their problems against Florida came from not getting pucks deep. I know it's not sexy or fancy stat approved but it works. Panarin must have turned the puck over at the blue line at least 5 times. And every time he did, it felt like Florida got a real good scoring opportunity. Such a simple concept and they've been so dreadful at it. But the times they do it, they're able to forecheck and generate scoring chances.

Boston sat Hall for the second half of the third period recently when Boston was protecting a lead, because their coach hated Hall turning the puck over and didn't trust his defensive game. Imagine that.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I guess I'm flattered that you would love my assessment....seems like an obsession on your end at this point. Okay....they played poorly in all facets of the game in Calgary, and got their asses kicked. See how easy it was to answer a question?

Since you refuse to answer the questions I have posed to you....should we consider that running from those questions? It appears so......

enjoy your day.....those ambulance chases must get tiring.

The answer to the question of which game I was happier about? Neither, they played poorly in both.

 

[duhmetreE]

brrruh

 

[NYRFANMANI]

brrruh

WOW ... the eye-test wasn't lying.

 

[Peltz]

This discussion is giving me flashbacks to when Torts was here and the team was winning despite getting shelled every game. Except Torts's bend-don't-break six-goalie system was intentional.

If I recall correctly (it's been a while) didn't Torts' Rangers give up less high danger shots and block a lot more pucks? Not sure if true from a statistical perspective. But it certainly feels like we give up more now.

 

[CLW]

If I recall correctly (it's been a while) didn't Torts' Rangers give up less high danger shots and block a lot more pucks? Not sure if true from a statistical perspective. But it certainly feels like we give up more now.

Torts is all about "protecting the House". So far this team has left the doors and windows wide open. Gallant did say shutting out easy access to the slot was priority #1 for this week's training sessions.

 

[duhmetreE]

Torts is all about "protecting the House". So far this team has left the doors and windows wide open. Gallant did say shutting out easy access to the slot was priority #1 for this week's training sessions.

Comes back to their centers and our 'vet wingers'.

Our defensive scheme has changed. We are playing 'man'. When it gets chaotic, coverage breaks down. Just like everything else, there's little support on the play. No one is covering or backing up their linemates. There's no cohesion in the system yet. The reads and transitions are not there. It does not help we've play so many games and on the road.

Maybe this team has great individual talents but they are uncoachable. Like a Twilight Zone episode... Maybe it's just that we're 'tired'.... hopefully.

 

[Crease]

I’ve never liked man-to-man defense in hockey. Always preferred zone. Not sure why man-to-man is so popular right now.

 

[Bob Richards]

Even those teams didn't get beat up as badly as this one has been. They were basically 50/50 teams.

Yeah those shellings felt much more controlled if that makes any sense.

I was thinking this is more like post 2015 AV teams. Like the game would end and you'd be in awe that they'd pull off a 3-1 victory despite getting outshot 38-17.

 

[CasusBelli]

If I recall correctly (it's been a while) didn't Torts' Rangers give up less high danger shots and block a lot more pucks? Not sure if true from a statistical perspective. But it certainly feels like we give up more now.

Definitely! Block the dangerous ones and let the goalie see the easy ones. Fewer threats; fewer surprise deflections.

 

[RGY]

Have to think the Offense will have an uptick. Especially as the season goes on and the players settle into Gallant’s system, understanding how he wants them to play, taking care of the house first before being more aggressive offensively.


I also wonder if the Islanders board has a thread like this.

 

[TheDirtyH]

The Wild and the Flames are two organizations that have fascinated me over the last few years and their turnarounds, I think, could be illustrative of what it's going to take for this Rangers team to tap into its undeniable potential.

Was reading some of Russo's work on The Athletic, and came across a great relay of wisdom from Bob Gainey to Mike Modano, and now to Kirill Kaprizov:

Back in last season’s playoffs, when Mike Modano watched as Kirill Kaprizov was enclosed like an envelope by the Vegas Golden Knights, the Hall of Famer told his former Dallas Stars teammate, Dean Evason, what Stars coach and general manager Bob Gainey once told Modano when he began to draw extra attention from opponents: “Be the hunter, not the hunted.”

...

“I remember getting that advice from Bob, and I remember thinking that it was coming from one of the top defensive checking forwards in NHL history, somebody who had a ton of Selkes, somebody whose job it was to check the top offensive players and shut them down,” Modano, the NHL’s all-time leading U.S.-born goal scorer and point producer, said Thursday from his home in Arizona. “It gave me a lot of insight of what goes into the mind of a guy whose job is strictly to go out there to check and neutralize stars. It’s really what led me to have more of a hunter mentality than the guy being hunted.

“Go out there and go after the checker, go after the defenseman, whoever’s out there against you, rather than trying to find open space and trying to move around and trying to get lost out there. When you’re a really good player in this league like Kaprizov, you find nights where you don’t get a lot of touches and you just get frustrated. So being the hunter rather than being hunted is just kinda reversing the tables on everybody. I think it’s good advice for Kirill: Be the guy that initiates rather than sitting back and trying to figure out, ‘Where can I hide out there and where can I get some open ice?’

This is exactly the kind of attitude our team is missing across the board, IMO. To a man, our team thinks open space is where they can win hockey games. In reality, they need to seal up the ice, control or challenge every inch of it. Its a mixture of arrogance and humility, where those two things can be supplemental rather than antithetical.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

If they can improve on those 5on5 numbers, with the play they are getting from Igor they can be a very dangerous team.

Gallant says he really likes the room, personalities - thinks the team can do something special. I dont think he'd just offer that up if it wasnt at least partially true.

Let's hope they can "turn things around" despite being 7-3-3, but I think if Gallant is this great coach everyone thinks he is - maybe we will see a coach make a real difference here. Will he be the difference maker?

We shall see.

 

[EdJovanovski]

If they can improve on those 5on5 numbers, with the play they are getting from Igor they can be a very dangerous team.

Gallant says he really likes the room, personalities - thinks the team can do something special. I dont think he'd just offer that up if it wasnt at least partially true.

Let's hope they can "turn things around" despite being 7-3-3, but I think if Gallant is this great coach everyone thinks he is - maybe we will see a coach make a real difference here. Will he be the difference make?

We shall see.

Agreed except for the part about Gallant liking the room meaning anything lol. What’s he gonna say? Nah I hate those guys? Mika is a dick & Bread is an assjole?LOL

 

[Raspewtin]

this team has not controlled the play (or, really even structured any kind of plan around it) since 2014. they've found ways to win outside of it (and sometimes with great success, i.e. 2015; the second half of 2019-2020). this has been an organizational problem through several regimes. I don't see an easy fix.

 

[romba]

Lot's of nostalgic Torts memories here lol, they were the black and blueshirts for a reason, it was because they blocked every effing shot no matter from where. Our guys layed out for all shots. We definitely did a better job protecting the slot forcing perimeter shots which our guys then sacrificed body and soul to block. We'd get hemmed in our zone with fakes and guys sliding way out of position to block shots, but our support was great and the other team would end up with nothing serious on goal, or Hank would bail us out.

I remember Ottawa teeing off on us in the playoffs from the point, Karlsson and co. launching bomb after bomb into our prone blockers, their thought process was that they'd wear us out eventually. And it inevitably did, whether it was that round or the one after. Tort's system was solid, we just needed to focus on not laying out to block (positional blocks/ going to one knee) so you can adjust your position quickly to turn D into O, that was a change Torts made with Columbus.

 

[JohnC]

Lot's of nostalgic Torts memories here lol, they were the black and blueshirts for a reason, it was because they blocked every effing shot no matter from where. Our guys layed out for all shots. We definitely did a better job protecting the slot forcing perimeter shots which our guys then sacrificed body and soul to block. We'd get hemmed in our zone with fakes and guys sliding way out of position to block shots, but our support was great and the other team would end up with nothing serious on goal, or Hank would bail us out.

I remember Ottawa teeing off on us in the playoffs from the point, Karlsson and co. launching bomb after bomb into our prone blockers, their thought process was that they'd wear us out eventually. And it inevitably did, whether it was that round or the one after. Tort's system was solid, we just needed to focus on not laying out to block (positional blocks/ going to one knee) so you can adjust your position quickly to turn D into O, that was a change Torts made with Columbus.

AV was so bad and Quinn was so out of his depth that people forget just how bad the 6 goalie system was by the time Torts was fired.

 

[aufheben]

I’ve never liked man-to-man defense in hockey. Always preferred zone. Not sure why man-to-man is so popular right now.

Probably because other teams have good players.

 

[Leonardo87]

This isn’t a bad hockey team. This is a team not firing on all cylinders, not playing to their strengths, but finding ways to win due to individual efforts.

What’s good about their current record can play with some house money to figure things out and play better.

 

[Raspewtin]

This is a bad hockey organization

 

[Wtp99]

This is a bad hockey organization

That just about sums it up
1 cup in 81 years should be quite telling.
Full Season record 1 and 80 since 1940
Disgraceful, though still looking through rose colored glasses

 

[will1066]

WOW ... the eye-test wasn't lying.

Honestly I don't know why we had to get this info from Vince and not @Machinehead. The latter is not doing his job.