Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid: Flyers Rumors & Media Mentions

[Laveuglette]

Briere doesn't have to do anything "special."
What he has to do is be patient, consistent and avoid abject stupidity.
Keep adding assets, use cap room to add more assets, invest in development, and patiently wait for the team to hit critical mass before declaring "mission accomplished."

Hextall tried that, didn't work despite the "we are all witnesses" memes here everytime he got a f***ing 5th round pick. You actually have to build a hockey team (with a long term focus of course) so that when prospects are ready, they can join something that is not a complete mess and we can actually start competing. Otherwise you will be tanking forever.

 

[Magua]

Boston has $430K in cap room.

That’s your logic? How do teams at the cap even make trades then?

None of this sounds very…..patient.

 

[deadhead]

STG

ASF:

-For who he has talked to multiple times, they don’t expect Hart to be the goalie here once the team is back in the playoffs. There were concrete offers made this summer, but pending investigation has any on hold.

-Zamula expected to be waived (I don’t get what they want from this kid to give him a proper shot)

- writing very much on the wall for Allison

Right now Laczynski is ahead of Allison, watching the two of them.
Allison had a chance to nail down a job last year, and scored at a 4th line rate.
Laczynski can play center, which gives him an edge, as well as RW.
There might be a market for Allison, as a cheap 4RW, if MacEwen could garner a 5th . . .

When a player hits 26, there is no more 'upside,' it's what can you give me now.
With Brink waiting in the wings, Allison is on thin ice.
Tuomaala, Wisdom and Gendron (EP lists him as an AHL player?) are lining up behind him.
Kaplan and Michkov a couple years further out.

 

[deadhead]

Hextall tried that, didn't work despite the "we are all witnesses" memes here everytime he got a f***ing 5th round pick. You actually have to build a hockey team so that when prospects are ready, they can join something that is not a complete mess and we can actually start competing. Otherwise you will be tanking forever.

Hextall didn't try that, after the Hartnell (4th), McGinn (3rd), Coburn/Kimmo trades at the 2014 TDL, his only trades were Grossman (3rd), Vinnie/L Schenn (3rd), Rinaldo (3rd). Streit (4th), Cousins (5th), and Schenn were 2017. That would be like Briere deciding that the G trade finished all the rebuilding he needs to do other than Hayes and TDA (5th and 6th rd).

Briere just needs to steadily move out veterans as kids show they're ready, it doesn't all have to be done this year, you can do it over the next 2-3 years, build up picks over the 2024-2026 drafts. But don't stop for two or three years, then decide it isn't working and try to jump start the rebuild.

 

[bennysflyers16]

Staal roster spot over Zamula on a bottom 3 team.

It’s only gonna get worse.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Staal roster spot over Zamula on a bottom 3 team.

It’s only gonna get worse.

#teamVeteran...

you young kids can go back to Lehigh... we dont need ya...

 

[Beef Invictus]

Briere has to work with what he was given.
Next year $21M, two years $53M.
Only major signings:
2024: Tippett, Hart both RFA
2025: TK (UFA), York, Foerster RFA

And also the stuff that he gave himself.

 

[trostol]

Wait..we are supposedly rebuilding (we know they aren't) and only have a little bit of cap space? Fail organization

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Wait..we are supposedly rebuilding (we know they aren't) and only have a little bit of cap space? Fail organization

Hey, Briere has to work with what he was given...

What was he given you ask? A roster that the former GM made one mistake while constructing so they should be in a good spot.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Briere doesn't have to do anything "special."
What he has to do is be patient, consistent and avoid abject stupidity.
Keep adding assets, use cap room to add more assets, invest in development, and patiently wait for the team to hit critical mass before declaring "mission accomplished."

They think the rebuild has one more year left, sooooo

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Right now Laczynski is ahead of Allison, watching the two of them.
Allison had a chance to nail down a job last year, and scored at a 4th line rate.
Laczynski can play center, which gives him an edge, as well as RW.
There might be a market for Allison, as a cheap 4RW, if MacEwen could garner a 5th . . .

When a player hits 26, there is no more 'upside,' it's what can you give me now.
With Brink waiting in the wings, Allison is on thin ice.
Tuomaala, Wisdom and Gendron (EP lists him as an AHL player?) are lining up behind him.
Kaplan and Michkov a couple years further out.

yet you say /risto still has upside. I am confused.

Hextall didn't try that, after the Hartnell (4th), McGinn (3rd), Coburn/Kimmo trades at the 2014 TDL, his only trades were Grossman (3rd), Vinnie/L Schenn (3rd), Rinaldo (3rd). Streit (4th), Cousins (5th), and Schenn were 2017. That would be like Briere deciding that the G trade finished all the rebuilding he needs to do other than Hayes and TDA (5th and 6th rd).

Briere just needs to steadily move out veterans as kids show they're ready, it doesn't all have to be done this year, you can do it over the next 2-3 years, build up picks over the 2024-2026 drafts. But don't stop for two or three years, then decide it isn't working and try to jump start the rebuild.

what vets should he steadily move out? There also needs to be a market for said vets.

What will your stance be if they keep seeler and/or Staal? Or ext Walker?

 

[deadhead]

Risto ain't getting bigger or faster, but he can possibly learn to play a role more suited to his skill set. Given they're stuck with his contract, it's worth the investment of coaching time.

Allison and Laczynski are who they are physically, they're trying to teach Allison to be a bottom six power forward b/c he lacks the skill even for middle six as an offense first player. Below average passer. I think Laczynski is more a matter of staying healthy, he has less physical talent but a more polished skill set than Allison and can play C and RW. In both cases, the clock is ticking at 26.

I'd be shocked if they extended Walker, I expect him to play better this year, 2 years removed from an ACL matters, especially for a player who depends on his mobility. Prime TDL trade bait. Seeler is also TDL trade bait. Torts has been blunt about Staal's role, part-time player and coach on the ice.

TK is tougher, if all you're getting in trade is a late 1st, a 2nd and "B" prospect, are you better off keeping and extending him - instead of signing a FA in 3-4 years. Probably depends on him showign he's durable and will age well, and what he asks for in an extension.

Right now, the kids everyone thinks should play over veterans aren't showing they're ready for prime time. Couple weeks to change minds, but Andrae is a good example, unless he makes a big jump, I'd rather see him in LHV to start the season - he's 21, there's no rush. Zamula has to get on the ice and show he's a NHL player, if at this point he flat lines, who cares? If you ain't improvin' you're losin'.

Ersson is the toughest decision for Briere, Peterson in LHV is a no-brainer, they wish someone would claim him. Sandstrom has looked solid so far, you might want to showcase him to start the season and hope some cap strapped team with a hole at backup goalie will see him as a low cost solution. If he doesn't play well, you waive him and bring up Ersson.

 

[flyersnorth]

STG

ASF:

-For who he has talked to multiple times, they don’t expect Hart to be the goalie here once the team is back in the playoffs. There were concrete offers made this summer, but pending investigation has any on hold.

-Zamula expected to be waived (I don’t get what they want from this kid to give him a proper shot)

- writing very much on the wall for Allison

ASF said "Zamula will not be part of the organization" and Russ actually made sure he understood that right.

If he's waived, it's with the intention of him being claimed - so I would guess they'll try to move him instead?

ASF also said Ersson will very much be the backup goaltender this season.

 

[Cody Webster]

Risto ain't getting bigger or faster, but he can possibly learn to play a role more suited to his skill set. Given they're stuck with his contract, it's worth the investment of coaching time.

Allison and Laczynski are who they are physically, they're trying to teach Allison to be a bottom six power forward b/c he lacks the skill even for middle six as an offense first player. Below average passer. I think Laczynski is more a matter of staying healthy, he has less physical talent but a more polished skill set than Allison and can play C and RW. In both cases, the clock is ticking at 26.

I'd be shocked if they extended Walker, I expect him to play better this year, 2 years removed from an ACL matters, especially for a player who depends on his mobility. Prime TDL trade bait. Seeler is also TDL trade bait. Torts has been blunt about Staal's role, part-time player and coach on the ice.

TK is tougher, if all you're getting in trade is a late 1st, a 2nd and "B" prospect, are you better off keeping and extending him - instead of signing a FA in 3-4 years. Probably depends on him showign he's durable and will age well, and what he asks for in an extension.

Right now, the kids everyone thinks should play over veterans aren't showing they're ready for prime time. Couple weeks to change minds, but Andrae is a good example, unless he makes a big jump, I'd rather see him in LHV to start the season - he's 21, there's no rush. Zamula has to get on the ice and show he's a NHL player, if at this point he flat lines, who cares? If you ain't improvin' you're losin'.

Ersson is the toughest decision for Briere, Peterson in LHV is a no-brainer, they wish someone would claim him. Sandstrom has looked solid so far, you might want to showcase him to start the season and hope some cap strapped team with a hole at backup goalie will see him as a low cost solution. If he doesn't play well, you waive him and bring up Ersson.

This has nothing to do with this thread. Please take your fantasy land nonsense elsewhere

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Risto ain't getting bigger or faster, but he can possibly learn to play a role more suited to his skill set. Given they're stuck with his contract, it's worth the investment of coaching time.

Allison and Laczynski are who they are physically, they're trying to teach Allison to be a bottom six power forward b/c he lacks the skill even for middle six as an offense first player. Below average passer. I think Laczynski is more a matter of staying healthy, he has less physical talent but a more polished skill set than Allison and can play C and RW. In both cases, the clock is ticking at 26.

I'd be shocked if they extended Walker, I expect him to play better this year, 2 years removed from an ACL matters, especially for a player who depends on his mobility. Prime TDL trade bait. Seeler is also TDL trade bait. Torts has been blunt about Staal's role, part-time player and coach on the ice.

TK is tougher, if all you're getting in trade is a late 1st, a 2nd and "B" prospect, are you better off keeping and extending him - instead of signing a FA in 3-4 years. Probably depends on him showign he's durable and will age well, and what he asks for in an extension.

Right now, the kids everyone thinks should play over veterans aren't showing they're ready for prime time. Couple weeks to change minds, but Andrae is a good example, unless he makes a big jump, I'd rather see him in LHV to start the season - he's 21, there's no rush. Zamula has to get on the ice and show he's a NHL player, if at this point he flat lines, who cares? If you ain't improvin' you're losin'.

Ersson is the toughest decision for Briere, Peterson in LHV is a no-brainer, they wish someone would claim him. Sandstrom has looked solid so far, you might want to showcase him to start the season and hope some cap strapped team with a hole at backup goalie will see him as a low cost solution. If he doesn't play well, you waive him and bring up Ersson.

It is worth investing in risto as a sunk cost. However is this the coaching staff you want to do that?

Tanner and Wade dime a dozen nhl level players. No great shakes if you move on as those types can be found every day. If they have success elsewhere so be it.

I also expect walker to be better. The caveat being will the coach play him higher up in the lineup therefore exposing him? If the coach takes a liking to him I can see him staying. Though yes he is def more likely to be dealt.

Same with Seeler; can see him stay or go. As far as stall it will be 100% his choice if he is moved. You claim he came here to want to coach. Well he may not want to leave at this stage of his career. Also the mid rd pick they may get will not be worth his vet leadership is what the brass will spin.

TK needs to be fn moved it is as simple as that. No you are not better off ext him in any way. If he wants to stay that is even more of a red flag to want to move him.

Zamula should be given a 30-40 game sample. He either shows something or you cut bait. Since they are "rebuilding" there is zero harm in giving him or attard NHL time.

The coach clearly does not like Felix. So if he is waived and claimed oh well. Sam is one the coach trust and likes. Rather see him at the nhl level to see what he can do. Easy decision to me .

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

Any rumblings about Hart and potential trades? That's honestly going to be the biggest tell as to the direction of this organization. Obviously if he is implicated in the Hockey Canada scandal that changes the equation, but if he is not part of that whether or not he is here at the end of the year is really the only question that needs to be answered regarding whether or not this team is truly rebuilding. All the other players with the exception of Konecny and Laughton either don't have the value to be worth trading at the moment or be necessary to trade at the moment. Konecny and Laughton certainly could be traded but I think their value will at least stay the same if not increase as we encroach the deadline or next year's draft. Hart right now serves no purpose on a rebuilding and goalie value can swing dramatically. If he's not in legal trouble and they keep him, the team is delusional. If he is dealt, then I think we can rest a little easier about the organization's plans.

 

[Rebels57]

Why exactly am I supposed to be horrified at the thought of Foerster on Hayes' wing?

Deady, if they waive Zamula to roster Staal, don't even try to defend it. You know it's terrible process. You're an intelligent person.

 

[FatTugboatFlahr]

Some people are so f***ing kind.

 

[tnfrs]

Any rumblings about Hart and potential trades? That's honestly going to be the biggest tell as to the direction of this organization. Obviously if he is implicated in the Hockey Canada scandal that changes the equation, but if he is not part of that whether or not he is here at the end of the year is really the only question that needs to be answered regarding whether or not this team is truly rebuilding. All the other players with the exception of Konecny and Laughton either don't have the value to be worth trading at the moment or be necessary to trade at the moment. Konecny and Laughton certainly could be traded but I think their value will at least stay the same if not increase as we encroach the deadline or next year's draft. Hart right now serves no purpose on a rebuilding and goalie value can swing dramatically. If he's not in legal trouble and they keep him, the team is delusional. If he is dealt, then I think we can rest a little easier about the organization's plans.

dannys gone on record and said that there were offers made for Hart but nothing can be done until the hockey canada thing is resolved

 

[deadhead]

ASF said "Zamula will not be part of the organization" and Russ actually made sure he understood that right.

If he's waived, it's with the intention of him being claimed - so I would guess they'll try to move him instead?

ASF also said Ersson will very much be the backup goaltender this season.

I seriously doubt these decision have been made with 2-3 weeks of camp and 4 exhibition games left.
Unless Zamula did something bad off ice, he has plenty of time to win a job.
Torts prefers Ersson over Sandstrom, but has also admitted some decisions will be made by Briere based on waiver considerations.

If they were considering trading Hart, they'd want to keep both Ersson and Sandstrom, their young goalies are years away and Peterson is bad.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I seriously doubt these decision have been made with 2-3 weeks of camp and 4 exhibition games left.
Unless Zamula did something bad off ice, he has plenty of time to win a job.
Torts prefers Ersson over Sandstrom, but has also admitted some decisions will be made by Briere based on waiver considerations.

Why? Why do you not believe this? It's how this organization has operated for years.

We have told you this would happen and yet here we are.

P.S. Torts never loved Zamula, that was an utter fabrication.

 

[deadhead]

Why? Why do you not believe this? It's how this organization has operated for years.

We have told you this would happen and yet here we are.

P.S. Torts never loved Zamula, that was an utter fabrication.

Tortorella impressed by Zamula, Foerster in Flyers' win

John Tortorella discussed the promising performances from Flyers prospects Egor Zamula and Tyson Foerster.

www.nbcsportsphiladelphia.com

“He’s long, takes up a lot of space. The thing caught our eye was his ability to see the ice. It looks like he has the ability to make a play. I thought — before we sent him back down — I thought it was a struggle for him at the speed of what the game was being played here.” — March 20

“I thought Z — I’m not sure how his assists come about — but just watching his game, I thought he had some really good puck poise.” — March 21

“He sees the ice, but he’s got to move the puck quicker. I think that’s part of his progression, is move the puck quick. You see the play — move it. Move the puck harder, too. Pass it harder. That’s one thing we noticed in his first game back here. He knows it’s there, but he eases the puck over there. Snap it over there and let’s get going.” — March 23

Subjective interpretation: As with York, Tortorella likes Zamula’s tools. His main questions are with regard to Zamula’s pace of play. He’ll be in the mix at camp next September, and remains a player who Tortorella likes.

The Tortorella Index: Where do all the Flyers stand entering the offseason?

As the Flyers season ends, here's the read on how Tortorella evaluates every player on the roster.

theathletic.com

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Tortorella impressed by Zamula, Foerster in Flyers' win

John Tortorella discussed the promising performances from Flyers prospects Egor Zamula and Tyson Foerster.

www.nbcsportsphiladelphia.com

“He’s long, takes up a lot of space. The thing caught our eye was his ability to see the ice. It looks like he has the ability to make a play. I thought — before we sent him back down — I thought it was a struggle for him at the speed of what the game was being played here.” — March 20

“I thought Z — I’m not sure how his assists come about — but just watching his game, I thought he had some really good puck poise.” — March 21

“He sees the ice, but he’s got to move the puck quicker. I think that’s part of his progression, is move the puck quick. You see the play — move it. Move the puck harder, too. Pass it harder. That’s one thing we noticed in his first game back here. He knows it’s there, but he eases the puck over there. Snap it over there and let’s get going.” — March 23

Subjective interpretation: As with York, Tortorella likes Zamula’s tools. His main questions are with regard to Zamula’s pace of play. He’ll be in the mix at camp next September, and remains a player who Tortorella likes.

The Tortorella Index: Where do all the Flyers stand entering the offseason?

As the Flyers season ends, here's the read on how Tortorella evaluates every player on the roster.

theathletic.com

Oh, ok, so NOW we take sweet nothings as being concrete.

If he loved Zamula he would have played him more. He didn't. It's fabricated fantasy.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

I seriously doubt these decision have been made with 2-3 weeks of camp and 4 exhibition games left.
Unless Zamula did something bad off ice, he has plenty of time to win a job.
Torts prefers Ersson over Sandstrom, but has also admitted some decisions will be made by Briere based on waiver considerations.

If they were considering trading Hart, they'd want to keep both Ersson and Sandstrom, their young goalies are years away and Peterson is bad.

unless a goalie is coming back

Tortorella impressed by Zamula, Foerster in Flyers' win

John Tortorella discussed the promising performances from Flyers prospects Egor Zamula and Tyson Foerster.

www.nbcsportsphiladelphia.com

“He’s long, takes up a lot of space. The thing caught our eye was his ability to see the ice. It looks like he has the ability to make a play. I thought — before we sent him back down — I thought it was a struggle for him at the speed of what the game was being played here.” — March 20

“I thought Z — I’m not sure how his assists come about — but just watching his game, I thought he had some really good puck poise.” — March 21

“He sees the ice, but he’s got to move the puck quicker. I think that’s part of his progression, is move the puck quick. You see the play — move it. Move the puck harder, too. Pass it harder. That’s one thing we noticed in his first game back here. He knows it’s there, but he eases the puck over there. Snap it over there and let’s get going.” — March 23

Subjective interpretation: As with York, Tortorella likes Zamula’s tools. His main questions are with regard to Zamula’s pace of play. He’ll be in the mix at camp next September, and remains a player who Tortorella likes.

The Tortorella Index: Where do all the Flyers stand entering the offseason?

As the Flyers season ends, here's the read on how Tortorella evaluates every player on the roster.

theathletic.com

actions > words. JT admitted they were "rebuilding" last year yet still didn't play him? odd no?

 

[deadhead]

Zamula is playing tonight on 1st pair with Sanheim.

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