Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid: Flyers Rumors & Media Mentions

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deadhead

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Fletcher couldn't fire AV, only Scott can make the decision for the organization to eat $15M.
Fletcher may or may not have supported AV, but those kind of decisions are made higher up in an organization.

Voracek thought Hayes was a good signing, as were the deals for Braun and Niskanen.
 

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Fletcher couldn't fire AV, only Scott can make the decision for the organization to eat $15M.
Fletcher may or may not have supported AV, but those kind of decisions are made higher up in an organization.

Voracek thought Hayes was a good signing, as were the deals for Braun and Niskanen.
No one said he had to fire him. He just had to tell him to f*** off, grow up, and do his job.

Just like they need/needed to do with Tortorella.
 

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Fletcher couldn't fire AV, only Scott can make the decision for the organization to eat $15M.
Fletcher may or may not have supported AV, but those kind of decisions are made higher up in an organization.

Voracek thought Hayes was a good signing, as were the deals for Braun and Niskanen.

The current GM and POHO can't fire the coach either. That was a condition of them being hired. Which begs the question, where is the power center of this org?
 

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The current GM and POHO can't fire the coach either. That was a condition of them being hired. Which begs the question, where is the power center of this org?
Wait one second.

Former GM and POHO couldn't fire coach.
Current GM and POHO can't fire coach.

And we are to believe things have changed? What a new era!
 

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Wait one second.

Former GM and POHO couldn't fire coach.
Current GM and POHO can't fire coach.

And we are to believe things have changed? What a new era!

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The current GM and POHO can't fire the coach either. That was a condition of them being hired. Which begs the question, where is the power center of this org?
Hilferty. The man who controls the purse strings.
Briere's power is directly correlated to Hilferty's trust in him.
The same way Roseman's power is predicated on Lurie's trust in him.
 

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This is four years old, from his CBJ days, and should dispel some myths.

Tortorella declined to be interviewed for this story, but The Athletic contacted several players who played for him during NHL stops with the Tampa Bay Lightning, New York Rangers, Vancouver Canucks and the Blue Jackets.

Some were willing to talk on the record, and others spoke off the record to provide background, but they all delivered essentially the same message:

Tortorella has chastised players in the middle of the dressing room or even on the bench during games, and there were times the confrontations were uncomfortable. They left the rink angry with him on occasion, and they often disagreed with his coaching decisions and/or his approach.

But they also were emphatic: They never witnessed Tortorella crossing the line to being verbally or physically abusive.

“Torts is pretty out-front and in the open,” he said, with a laugh. “There aren’t many mind games, per se. If Player A isn’t getting it done, he’s told ‘if you do this and this, you’ll play more.’


What saves Tortorella in his relationships — not just with players, but management and media, etc. — are the times when he’s genuinely kind and caring, his current and former players said.

He’s on a first-name basis with bus drivers and rink techs in several cities along the NHL circuit. He’s well known for his activism in rescuing dogs and horses. When a player needs an afternoon or a day to deal with a family matter, he demands they get away from the team for as long as they need.

Dubinsky made an interesting observation, too. In all of those YouTube blow-ups in New York, and in some of his other famous fracases — charging the Calgary Flames’ dressing room in Vancouver in 2013-14, for instance — there was a common theme.

“If you look at all of those clips … you realize he’s actually protecting his players,” Dubinsky said. “He’s stepping in front of his guys. People can think about him however they want, but in his mind, he doing these things because he’s protecting his players.

 

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Hilferty. The man who controls the purse strings.
Briere's power is directly correlated to Hilferty's trust in him.
The same way Roseman's power is predicated on Lurie's trust in him.

Tenacious D, eh? Sweet. So we had Scott and Hilferty at the helm all along. Two execs who have 0 experience with running any kind of pro sports team? I feel much better now. I wonder who those two take (took) advice from? Surely not the ones who our current chief referred to as the elder gods. Definitely not them. Probably listening to marketing. Or TORTS.
 
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This Chris Maher podcast interview with Jake Voracek is amazing. He slags AV hilariously. I am only 17 minutes in and it's golden.


There were a few players I have enjoyed watching on the ice more than Jake but, as a total package, he's the best there is, best there was, and best there ever will be.

G, Jake and Simmer all on the team at the same time was an embarrassment of riches personality-wise.

Great interview.

Who is this Chris Maher dude?
 

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Jake also confirming that...

AV changed the way they played stylistically on purpose during the Montreal series during COVID to be way more defensive instead of playing the teams natural game.

Not exactly surprising to hear that AV seemingly also just checked out and was collecting a cheque at the end of his time with Flyers.

And that seemingly the Jake and Ghost moves were forced by AV...
 

deadhead

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Tenacious D, eh? Sweet. So we had Scott and Hilferty at the helm all along. Two execs who have 0 experience with running any kind of pro sports team? I feel much better now. I wonder who those two take (took) advice from? Surely not the ones who our current chief referred to as the elder gods. Definitely not them. Probably listening to marketing. Or TORTS.
No. Just the big money decisions. Practically all owners in all sports have to sign off on big money decisions. It is their money at stake.
 

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Funny thing, a lot of people are going to be surprised by some things he said.

AV was an arrogant asshole, which of course, comes as no surprise.

He thought Chuck was a nice guy squeezed by AV, he asked to be traded b/c of AV.

He thinks Jones and Briere are bringing the mojo back, according to his buddies still with the team, he thought they lost how to be a "f**king Flyer."

He thought they should have kept Berube as HC instead of hiring Hakstol.

Ah yes. The Mojo. Aka "pretend it is the 90s."
 

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Jake also confirming that...

AV changed the way they played stylistically on purpose during the Montreal series during COVID to be way more defensive instead of playing the teams natural game.

Not exactly surprising to hear that AV seemingly also just checked out and was collecting a cheque at the end of his time with Flyers.

And that seemingly the Jake and Ghost moves were forced by AV...

Oh that's interesting, the usual defenders were adamant that there was no change.

Hmm.

Tragically, the same management group continues to lose moves while catering to coaches.
 

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Flyers version of Bobby Abreau. Just so crazy no contending team ever wanted to acquire Jake and his talent. Wonder why. Could have put a team over the top.
 

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