Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid: Flyers Rumors & Media Mentions

[Ghosts Beer]

Sounds like Jones the President is free to say things Jones the shill had to swallow, I suspect that comment about 2019-20 is one of them.
Didn't mention his talks with Clarke and Lombardi, did he?

The issue with defense isn't that he wants to build from the defense out, but what kind of defense?
A TB forest of giants, Colorado jet back guys, or Florida and Carolina and low cost smart veterans?

It would be a huge change if the organization started hunting undervalued young veterans instead of overpaying second tier guys.
It would mean they've finally learned how the cap works.

He said that the organization will always honor important historical members such as Clarke & Holmgren, but that they have left their imprint & now people like him & Briere will leave their own.

Said he wouldn’t have taken the job if there were other people pulling the strings. The hockey decisions will be made by him, Briere, & Torts. Was very clear on that.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

He said that the organization will always honor important historical members such as Clarke & Holmgren, but that they have left their imprint & now people like him & Briere will leave their own.

Said he wouldn’t have taken the job if there were other people pulling the strings. The hockey decisions will be made by him, Briere, & Torts. Was very clear on that.

This is not a good thing, give me 1 guy who pulls the trigger. This 3 headed monster will likely not work in the end.

What I want to see is what 2 band together to get rid of the other one.

They needed an entire flushing of 99% of the people employed. Start fresh. The flyers way does not and will not work.

It is an informative interview. I just finished listening to the first 30 minutes. Of course, Gargano is giddy & slobbering over Jones the whole time.

Was very interesting to hear Jones say he talked to Gretzky that morning & Gretzky wasn’t sure about Bedard at #1.

Jones himself seemed surprised about it.

any link?

 

[blackjackmulligan]

I finished the interview this morning.

Jones is terrific: Very clear, well-spoken, & intelligent. He’s not flying by the seat of his pants. He has a vision of how the rebuild will proceed.

He again stressed that the defense corps is the most important element of a team, something I have said for a long time. So I’m loving that he emphasizes the same thing.

He was adamant that there are Niskanen-like players out there (not elite, but important players who make others better) & they “will find them.” He was so emphatic on this that he almost certainly has names in mind. There are players out there he wants & thinks they can get.

Mentioned they will be reducing their cap (i.e., trading high-priced vets).

Indicated they will be looking to add draft picks by trading these higher-cap players.

He doesn’t want to give up on young players too quickly & have them blossom somewhere else. Mentioned Frost by name & cited his strong 2nd-half numbers.

Called Provorov a “commodity” that other teams want.

Kind of downplayed the importance of goaltending a couple of times, which was nice to hear considering some fans have gone off the deep-end saying the Flyers need to “build around” Hart. Pretty clear that Jones doesn’t share this philosophy.

Jones is so incredibly well-connected & liked in the hockey world that it should be a real boon to the organization. He can gather intel & opinions from everyone, & you’ve gotta think it will help grease the wheels on trades & ultimately that players are going to want to play for his team.

Stressed that both he & Briere think player development is a huge priority & said they’re “making changes there.”

Seems to want better cap management, so could imply some changes there, too.

Cant wait to see how this unfolds. What high priced players will they move who have value? Hayes Ivan and Sanheim. Of the 3 Ivan has real value. Cant imagine Sanheim being moved though would be smart move. Hayes with retention also has value imo.

Tired of the talk though lets see the actions in the next 6 weeks.

 

[Kelmitchell2]

Look, I'm gonna be honest, I want this to work, and I don't give a rats ass what they say in interviews, I want to see them actually do what they say, and until they do, I'll have my reservations, I want this team to succeed and build the right way, but until I actually see change and them building the right way, it's hard to be optimistic

 

[Curufinwe]

We don't need miracles. Just common sense moves.

Get rid of Hayes with 50% retention
Trade Provorov for a Chychrun type package
Take high end skill with the 7th pick
Acquire 2nd rounders for 2023 and 2024

 

[deadhead]

Look, I'm gonna be honest, I want this to work, and I don't give a rats ass what they say in interviews, I want to see them actually do what they say, and until they do, I'll have my reservations, I want this team to succeed and build the right way, but until I actually see change and them building the right way, it's hard to be optimistic

Well, actions speak louder than words.

But for the organization to commit to rebuilding, to youth, to speed, etc., is a sea change.
And it gives them leeway to be patient and look for value instead of making short-term moves to put butts in the seats.

So to that extent, words do matter.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Well, actions speak louder than words.

But for the organization to commit to rebuilding, to youth, to speed, etc., is a sea change.
And it gives them leeway to be patient and look for value instead of making short-term moves to put butts in the seats.

So to that extent, words do matter.

words do not matter in any way when it comes to this franchise.

whatever trades and free agent signings will tell the tale.

 

[Redpath]

The organization has committed to rebuilding before.

"Build a strong defense, take things slow, shed salary, we are a few years away, etc." are all things that were said under Hextall 9 years ago, too.

Jonesy is a nice guy and presents well on the microphone. But what he is saying neither means anything nor is new.

 

[ponder719]

Well, actions speak louder than words.

But for the organization to commit to rebuilding, to youth, to speed, etc., is a sea change.
And it gives them leeway to be patient and look for value instead of making short-term moves to put butts in the seats.

So to that extent, words do matter.

Words are wind. This team has earned no leeway, and will receive exactly as much as their actions prove them worthy of. Make some good moves, with an eye towards the future, and most of us on here will be very pleased, and give them credit. Bring in more Ristolauriers, and they'll receive the same frosty reception as previous leadership. Nothing changes until they show evidence that they've learned.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Words are wind. This team has earned no leeway, and will receive exactly as much as their actions prove them worthy of. Make some good moves, with an eye towards the future, and most of us on here will be very pleased, and give them credit. Bring in more Ristolauriers, and they'll receive the same frosty reception as previous leadership. Nothing changes until they show evidence that they've learned.

sum sit up. Can't wait for that first trade and free agent signing.

 

[deadhead]

Words matter b/c they signal a major change in the organization.

The advisors NEVER used the word "rebuild" and the team's actions reflected the unwillingness to concede that the team wasn't good enough to compete so they muddled along and leaked assets trying to "aggressively reload." A better GM than Fletcher might have kept them more competitive, i..e., we'd have drafted 12th and 10th the last two seasons - but the fundamental problem was self-delusion.

Briere is running the show, Dan and Jones have been adamant about that, but Torts and Jones are on board with the general direction Briere wants to take this team. Torts and Briere have been discussing personnel for months, and Jones was brought on b/c he generally agreed with their approach to the rebuild. I doubt Torts will have much input into the draft process other than general guidelines to the type of players he wants, he'll have more input into NHL players since he's seen them. I think Jones' contribution is his knowledge of the league and his sources, for example, why a player was in the doghouse and is now available for cheap, was it the player, the HC, cap reasons, blocked by a young player the organization is committed to, etc.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

Words are wind. This team has earned no leeway, and will receive exactly as much as their actions prove them worthy of. Make some good moves, with an eye towards the future, and most of us on here will be very pleased, and give them credit. Bring in more Ristolauriers, and they'll receive the same frosty reception as previous leadership. Nothing changes until they show evidence that they've learned.

I agree they’ve last the benefit of the doubt, but the messaging on a rebuild is pretty clear. How deep they go on that? Tbd

 

[BringBackHakstol]

They aren't exactly using the words "rebuild" extensively now, either.

As usual, DH sees what he wants to fit his narrative

 

[ponder719]

Flyers announce staff changes to Hockey Operations department | Philadelphia Flyers

The Flyers today announced the club has promoted Alyn McCauley to Assistant General Manager, Riley Armstrong to Director of Player Development and Nick Schultz to Assistant Director of Player Development

www.nhl.com

Oh, for the "words matter" crowd:

"I'm excited to announce the promotions of Alyn, Riley and Nick," said Briere. "These three have been around the organization for some time, in particularly, with our current prospects and young players, so I know they will each provide the direction and leadership that is necessary to get our future assets to the NHL level."

Yeah, they've clearly learned that they need to cultivate a different perspective in order to engender different results...

 

[Flyerfan4life]

The organization has committed to rebuilding before.

"Build a strong defense, take things slow, shed salary, we are a few years away, etc." are all things that were said under Hextall 9 years ago, too.

Jonesy is a nice guy and presents well on the microphone. But was he is saying neither means anything nor is new.

#sameasiteverwas

 

[DancingPanther]

Nick Shultz

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Words matter b/c they signal a major change in the organization.

The advisors NEVER used the word "rebuild" and the team's actions reflected the unwillingness to concede that the team wasn't good enough to compete so they muddled along and leaked assets trying to "aggressively reload." A better GM than Fletcher might have kept them more competitive, i..e., we'd have drafted 12th and 10th the last two seasons - but the fundamental problem was self-delusion.

Briere is running the show, Dan and Jones have been adamant about that, but Torts and Jones are on board with the general direction Briere wants to take this team. Torts and Briere have been discussing personnel for months, and Jones was brought on b/c he generally agreed with their approach to the rebuild. I doubt Torts will have much input into the draft process other than general guidelines to the type of players he wants, he'll have more input into NHL players since he's seen them. I think Jones' contribution is his knowledge of the league and his sources, for example, why a player was in the doghouse and is now available for cheap, was it the player, the HC, cap reasons, blocked by a young player the organization is committed to, etc.

words do not matter. Actions matter. Only actions.

Do you mean Danny is on board with the direction Torts wants to take? torts should have zero say in the draft.

A better GM would not have had them as a bottom feeder.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

This is not a good thing, give me 1 guy who pulls the trigger. This 3 headed monster will likely not work in the end.

What I want to see is what 2 band together to get rid of the other one.

They needed an entire flushing of 99% of the people employed. Start fresh. The flyers way does not and will not work.


any link?

Flyers President Of Hockey Operations Keith Jones Joins The Anthony Gargano Show In Studio

The President of Hockey Operations for the Flyers, Keith Jones joined Anthony Gargano to discuss his new role and the future of the Flyers

975thefanatic.com

 

[Redpath]

Well, there are the rumored front office changes.

Quite disappointing.

 

[Audible Velvet]

Business as usual, I see.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Kjell is been let go

 

[Beef Invictus]

Words matter b/c they signal a major change in the organization.

The advisors NEVER used the word "rebuild" and the team's actions reflected the unwillingness to concede that the team wasn't good enough to compete so they muddled along and leaked assets trying to "aggressively reload." A better GM than Fletcher might have kept them more competitive, i..e., we'd have drafted 12th and 10th the last two seasons - but the fundamental problem was self-delusion.

Briere is running the show, Dan and Jones have been adamant about that, but Torts and Jones are on board with the general direction Briere wants to take this team. Torts and Briere have been discussing personnel for months, and Jones was brought on b/c he generally agreed with their approach to the rebuild. I doubt Torts will have much input into the draft process other than general guidelines to the type of players he wants, he'll have more input into NHL players since he's seen them. I think Jones' contribution is his knowledge of the league and his sources, for example, why a player was in the doghouse and is now available for cheap, was it the player, the HC, cap reasons, blocked by a young player the organization is committed to, etc.

Actions signal change, not word fluff. You spend years getting all worked up at what people say while ignoring the actions and then your always wrong.

Jones has spent a couple decades telling us what he thinks "skill" is, and it's not good.

 

[freakydallas13]

The team saying the word "rebuild" means jack shit if their version of a rebuild is being bad for 2 years (like they have any choice in the matter), then signing overpriced 2nd tier free agents and pushing to be an 8th playoff spot after that.

They get zero benefit of the doubt, their words are not indicative of anything until their actions say otherwise.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I agree they’ve last the benefit of the doubt, but the messaging on a rebuild is pretty clear. How deep they go on that? Tbd

All the same people as ever are here, and they've demonstrated in the past a terrible understanding of what a rebuild is.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

All the same people as ever are here, and they've demonstrated in the past a terrible understanding of what a rebuild is.

Fair - but I have never seen messaging like this being a fan for 20+ years now. All I can do is wait and see I guess