Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid: Flyers Rumors & Media Mentions

[gertbfrobe16]

The theme changes without losing the overall esthetic.In other words the atmosphere will not be painted on the walls.

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

 

[flountown]

I did a little historical look at what has come of offseason goalie trades. Spoiler alert, there's some positive results, but extremely underwhelming vs. commentary from the Rumor and Trade Talks forum when Hart is brought up. I am not fully for one way or the other, I just disagree that if you are 100% trade or 100% keep, you are wrong, and only the Sith speak in absolutes.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I did a little historical look at what has come of offseason goalie trades. Spoiler alert, there's some positive results, but extremely underwhelming vs. commentary from the Rumor and Trade Talks forum when Hart is brought up. I am not fully for one way or the other, I just disagree that if you are 100% trade or 100% keep, you are wrong, and only the Sith speak in absolutes.

That sounds like an absolute

 

[flountown]

That sounds like an absolute

Maybe

 

[deadhead]

I did a little historical look at what has come of offseason goalie trades. Spoiler alert, there's some positive results, but extremely underwhelming vs. commentary from the Rumor and Trade Talks forum when Hart is brought up. I am not fully for one way or the other, I just disagree that if you are 100% trade or 100% keep, you are wrong, and only the Sith speak in absolutes.

Mrazek was a conditional 4th that didn't meet the conditions for a 3rd, I think the 2nd 3rd was conditional on them signing him after the season.

 

[flountown]

Mrazek was a conditional 4th that didn't meet the conditions for a 3rd, I think the 2nd 3rd was conditional on them signing him after the season.

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Doesn't break the post, just makes me feel better about Mrazek's disappointment, got Attard with the pick that didn't convey!

 

[DancingPanther]

I did a little historical look at what has come of offseason goalie trades. Spoiler alert, there's some positive results, but extremely underwhelming vs. commentary from the Rumor and Trade Talks forum when Hart is brought up. I am not fully for one way or the other, I just disagree that if you are 100% trade or 100% keep, you are wrong, and only the Sith speak in absolutes.

If you're 100% on trade, then you aren't wrong. In fact, you would be right

 

[Don Nachbaur 26]

Did I dream they let O'Connell and Reilly go?

 

[Ghosts Beer]

I did a little historical look at what has come of offseason goalie trades. Spoiler alert, there's some positive results, but extremely underwhelming vs. commentary from the Rumor and Trade Talks forum when Hart is brought up. I am not fully for one way or the other, I just disagree that if you are 100% trade or 100% keep, you are wrong, and only the Sith speak in absolutes.

The Schneider and Varlamov trades serve as a baseline.

Ideally, you'd want Montreal's 5th overall in a Hart trade.

But, barring that, St. Louis' 10th overall, or maybe Calgary's 16th overall. (These are teams with goaltending struggles that pick in the first half of Round 1.)

After that, it becomes less appealing.

 

[BernieParent]

The Schneider and Varlamov trades serve as a baseline.

Ideally, you'd want Montreal's 5th overall in a Hart trade.

But, barring that, St. Louis' 10th overall, or maybe Calgary's 16th overall. (These are teams with goaltending struggles that pick in the first half of Round 1.)

After that, it becomes less appealing.

sarcasm

I'd love to think that Hart could bring back a top-16 pick in the upcoming draft. For the same reason you and I covet a high pick in this packed draft, these teams are likely not dealing one (at least their own) away for a goaltender. From the media reports, Montreal is comfortable with Montambeault, and I don't see St. Louis or Calgary moving away from Binnington or Markstrom, respectively, at present.

My ideal scenario in a Hart trade would be to LA for Jordan Spence (RHD prospect), their 2024 1st, and Petersen.

 

[GKJ]

sarcasm

I'd love to think that Hart could bring back a top-16 pick in the upcoming draft. For the same reason you and I covet a high pick in this packed draft, these teams are likely not dealing one (at least their own) away for a goaltender. From the media reports, Montreal is comfortable with Montambeault, and I don't see St. Louis or Calgary moving away from Binnington or Markstrom, respectively, at present.

My ideal scenario in a Hart trade would be to LA for Jordan Spence (RHD prospect), their 2024 1st, and Petersen.

Think you can get another piece there to take on Petersen’s contract

 

[BernieParent]

Think you can get another piece there to take on Petersen’s contract

Thanks, GKJ. I was thinking of that but an extra 3rd or later would be icing on the cake. Do you think Briere could do better than that?

 

[GKJ]

Thanks, GKJ. I was thinking of that but an extra 3rd or later would be icing on the cake. Do you think Briere could do better than that?

LA wants to push chips to the middle, they think they’re right there, so I think they could get aggressive here to solve a long-term problem, especially since they have a year to figure out Hart’s contract. I’m not so sure they want to trade Spence though, I think they want to make room for him. They will want to dump Sean Walker too, though his contract is less prohibitive.

 

[BernieParent]

LA wants to push chips to the middle, they think they’re right there, so I think they could get aggressive here to solve a long-term problem, especially since they have a year to figure out Hart’s contract. I’m not so sure they want to trade Spence though, I think they want to make room for him. They will want to dump Sean Walker too, though his contract is less prohibitive.

Thanks, GKJ. I targeted LA specifically for not just their goaltending need but their wealth of young RHD. While I won't shoot the moon and ask for Clarke, Spence is young and their second best RHD prospect. Gun to head, I would take Durzi but would want an additional pick/prospect. Walker is not helpful at all for this rebuild: 28 years old and 1 year left on his contract.

 

[Rebels57]

Thanks, GKJ. I targeted LA specifically for not just their goaltending need but their wealth of young RHD. While I won't shoot the moon and ask for Clarke, Spence is young and their second best RHD prospect. Gun to head, I would take Durzi but would want an additional pick/prospect. Walker is not helpful at all for this rebuild: 28 years old and 1 year left on his contract.

Honestly i'd trade Hart for Clarke straight up if possible.

 

[BernieParent]

Honestly i'd trade Hart for Clarke straight up if possible.

As would I but from what I have seen (though admittedly from Kings fans), LA is adamant about holding onto Clarke, as I can understand. I seem to remember seeing a report where Clarke was a no-go in TDL moves this last season.

 

[GKJ]

Thanks, GKJ. I targeted LA specifically for not just their goaltending need but their wealth of young RHD. While I won't shoot the moon and ask for Clarke, Spence is young and their second best RHD prospect. Gun to head, I would take Durzi but would want an additional pick/prospect. Walker is not helpful at all for this rebuild: 28 years old and 1 year left on his contract.

Walker would be helpful in that you could flip him at the deadline. He is RHD, and teams always want that.

Honestly i'd trade Hart for Clarke straight up if possible.

It’s not.

 

[Curufinwe]

But we're already gonna be flipping Angelo for a haul.

 

[BernieParent]

Walker would be helpful in that you could flip him at the deadline. He is RHD, and teams always want that.



It’s not.

If Walker is an add-on to the deal, that's fine, but if he is to be a key element in the deal I'm a bird in the hand type when it comes to trades: flipping Walker requires additional steps, he could get injured before the TDL, and it is likely he will make the team more competitive in the interim, which both worsens the 2024 pick and reduces prospect ice time.

 

[Redpath]

The case for trading Hart is similar to Provorov.

There is certainly a chance that some team covets Hart more than he is actually worth and could be robbed. The question is if Briere is smart enough to find that GM and gut him.

Hart has a reputation as a strong, young goalie. Sometimes that is all that matters.

 

[GKJ]

If Walker is an add-on to the deal, that's fine, but if he is to be a key element in the deal I'm a bird in the hand type when it comes to trades: flipping Walker requires additional steps, he could get injured before the TDL, and it is likely he will make the team more competitive in the interim, which both worsens the 2024 pick and reduces prospect ice time.

He’s not going to make team demonstrably better. You take a cap dump and flip him later. This is what teams at the bottom of the league do, you still need guys to play the games.

 

[Redpath]

This is exactly when a good GM should smell the desperation and sell on Provorov.

 

[Beef Invictus]

This is exactly when a good GM should smell the desperation and sell on Provorov.

It sure seems like Toronto is possibly in the midst of a panicky "do something" overreaction.

 

[BernieParent]

He’s not going to make team demonstrably better. You take a cap dump and flip him later. This is what teams at the bottom of the league do, you still need guys to play the games.

Thanks again for your reply. I'll leave sentence 1 as a difference of opinion since I don't have time to dig into stats (not that I am convinced they will prove my point). I already covered the cap dump aspect in my previous point; i.e., not a key element of the deal. I don't see this team having a pressing need to fill roster spots, though. As it stands, they have 5 defensemen signed for next season and will certainly re-sign York, plus they should be looking to find NHL ice time for prospects.