Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid: Flyers Rumors & Media Mentions

[Hollywood Cannon]

Charlie had some interesting things to say on PHLY

1. Thinks Seeler is going to be resigned and Walker goes
2. They have gotten decent offers for Walker, but still hoping for more
3. Laughton trade makes more sense in the summer

This is more of a general comment, but he has sort of theorized a few times that the Flyers might think of York as a piece in a bigger deal to get that a+ asset they don't have access to if they arent picking top 5...idk I feel like if you say something a few times, you might know something

I bought a York gamer yesterday so expect for him to be traded soon.

Just as it was written.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

I have a hunch Briere makes a ballsy hockey trade at some point. I wonder if there could be something around York + for someone like Zegras? Or something where they are betting on potential for a young player who is blocked in the lineup, either a C or D? The latter would be a little scary and I can’t think of any specific players. Either way young 1C or 1D aren’t available so you’d have to gamble and get lucky

 

[GKJ]

The Flyers balking at the idea of trading old players who don't fit their timeline to finish with a quality draft pick, to only instead try and trade York and a bunch of other stuff for said pick/asset is absolutely hilarious to me. Like, you don't want to trade vets to accomplish getting elite talent, you want to trade your good young players instead?

Saying it's ass backwards is being generous. I hope Charlie is making this up.

Acting like these guys are gonna trade Hathaway next year instead of giving him a 2 year extension

 

[Strawberry Fields]

3. Laughton trade makes more sense in the summer

 

[GKJ]

I have a hunch Briere makes a ballsy hockey trade at some point. I wonder if there could be something around York + for someone like Zegras? Or something where they are betting on potential for a young player who is blocked in the lineup, either a C or D? The latter would be a little scary and I can’t think of any specific players. Either way young 1C or 1D aren’t available so you’d have to gamble and get lucky

I wouldn't trade York for Zegras 1 for 1

 

[Random Forest]

York is a very good player. Think we underrate his value to the team right now and, more importantly, his value to the future. He’s handling an expanded role extremely well, and good teams are able to let those players grow into whatever they’re capable of being.

The Flyers have had a good season, which means, by definition, there are players on this team playing very well. York is one of those players. Second in ice time per game and handling that role quite effectively. Think it’s time to give him some due credit. Reminds me a bit of Niskanen.

Not saying there isn’t a price where I would move York, but I just don’t really see him being a big enough known commodity yet that would return the value needed to consider. And I’d rather see what we have.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

York has been awesome lately. His defense has been damn good. Really strong stick, and he’s blocked a bunch of shots lately too

 

[Gregor Samsa]

I wouldn't trade York for Zegras 1 for 1

I’m not sure if I would either and I’m not sure the value of both Zegras and York. I think York has the potential to be a quiet but effective steady Eddie type Dman either on the top pair or leader of a great second pair. He’s already a good top 4 Dman with room to grow. If he’s a piece of a trade I would think it would be a shakeup type situation with another team where we are offering multiple good young players instead of prospects, which we aren’t exactly lush with (at least high end ones)

It would be nice if the Flyers eventually luck out and find a game breaking 1C or 1D in the late first round or later. Most of the recent cup champs have lucked out with such a player

 

[Magua]

 

[Curufinwe]

York for Caufield. Need more RWs.

 

[mr figgles]

Wait until Hathaway is an expiring UFA next year. We get to this whole song & dance again. They’ll still probably debating whether they should trade Laughton or not by then too.

I have faith Laughton will be traded… two years from now, when he has 5G and 5A at the deadline, and is regularly being benched by head coach Rocky.

 

[GKJ]

I’m not sure if I would either and I’m not sure the value of both Zegras and York. I think York has the potential to be a quiet but effective steady Eddie type Dman either on the top pair or leader of a great second pair. He’s already a good top 4 Dman with room to grow. If he’s a piece of a trade I would think it would be a shakeup type situation with another team where we are offering multiple good young players instead of prospects, which we aren’t exactly lush with (at least high end ones)

It would be nice if the Flyers eventually luck out and find a game breaking 1C or 1D in the late first round or later. Most of the recent cup champs have lucked out with such a player

If York can bring me a 1C, I’ll move him. Don’t think Zegras is that.

 

[volnoir]

If York can bring me a 1C, I’ll move him. Don’t think Zegras is that.

Aren't York and Zegras buddies? Not that you can't trade one guy for another, but I just remember all the Zegras chat was about reuniting him with York and Drysdale.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

If the Sabres were looking to shake things up in the offseason, should the Flyers have interest in someone like Tage Thompson?

 

[JABEE]

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Made more sense before they signed him to the extension and also last summer. lol

 

[TheKingPin]

I have a hunch Briere makes a ballsy hockey trade at some point. I wonder if there could be something around York + for someone like Zegras? Or something where they are betting on potential for a young player who is blocked in the lineup, either a C or D? The latter would be a little scary and I can’t think of any specific players. Either way young 1C or 1D aren’t available so you’d have to gamble and get lucky

I don’t think they need Dmen though right?

 

[FLYguy3911]

What are we talking about here? You all would have given your left nut for a chance to take Zegras over York on draft night.

I like York, but he's scoring at the level of Nick Seeler and rocking the Provy special - no primary assists on the season 5v5.

 

[smokey]

I don't see Zegras as an A+ option even if they wanted to get rid of York for some reason. Just as overhyped as Drysdale imo. In fact I'd love for the org to stop helping ana get rid of their lesser prospects for our best assets.

 

[Magua]

Zegras has been productive on some horrific Ducks teams. It's been him and Terry driving the bus. He's played 20 games and is 397/419 this season among forwards (>250 min) in 5v5 on-ice shooting %, along with 1 PPP. That can happen with high end passers who aren't plus self generators, besides the fact he's basically had a lower body injury all season. Robert Thomas had 12 points in 33 games in his 3rd season, without two 60 points seasons.....I don't care. Zegras has plus skill. These are the guys who dumb teams make available and then smart teams pounce.

What are we talking about here? You all would have given your left nut for a chance to take Zegras over York on draft night.

I like York, but he's scoring at the level of Nick Seeler and rocking the Provy special - no primary assists on the season 5v5.

If York is sacred, then we have lost the plot. He's fine and provides positive value, but he is not a difference maker. If your comp was the evergreen "Kimmo Timonen," projecting him as a 1st pair guy, then we were never dealing with reality.

I was thinking the other day that I don't know how he wins offensively. We were conservative projecting the offense, focusing more on efficiency, but it's honestly worse than expected, with the minimal risk down to zero. He rarely makes non-direct plays, doesn't skate with the puck much, grades as very average as a mover, doesn't have any 1v1 elusiveness/creativity to manipulate lanes or beat checkers. No PK gives him any respect to collapse the interior. Besides making smart choices in tempo, along with being positionally sound, there's no there there that makes me see another level. His post-NTDP production feels accurate.

 

[Appleyard]

I like York but...

he is realistically going to top out as a #2-3 Dman, always kind of was unless some crazy development curve.

 

[WolfOfBroadStreet14]

Have an opportunity to add three more 1sts between the next two drafts. Walker needs moved at the deadline. Laughton and Risto with retention need gone by the draft. We can use all those picks to move up for elite talent or to trade for elite talent. Id be trying to send Laughton or Risto for a protected 2025 1st to a fringe team in the hopes they bottom out and the pick becomes unprotected 2026, the Gavin McKenna draft.

Add Seeler and Ceci with retention if we get him from Edmonton in a Walker deal and we could get an additional two 2nds.

Walker and Seeler can be resigned in the offseason if we want them back that badly and we get all that for the subtraction of Laughton and Risto. I like Laughton but that’s worth it. Especially when NYI is gonna take our playoff spot anyway.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

I like York but...

he is realistically going to top out as a #2-3 Dman, always kind of was unless some crazy development curve.

You think his skating has improved this year? He’s turning ability almost has taken a step up, lots of spins, and change of direction

 

[BiggE]

If you can get a young center with 1C potential in a deal built around York, you don’t think twice before saying yes.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

Zegras is one of my favorite world juniors players ever, ice cold during his year. Kid was legit unbelievable

 

[Tripod]

Zegras has been productive on some horrific Ducks teams. It's been him and Terry driving the bus. He's played 20 games and is 397/419 this season among forwards (>250 min) in 5v5 on-ice shooting %, along with 1 PPP. That can happen with high end passers who aren't plus self generators, besides the fact he's basically had a lower body injury all season. Robert Thomas had 12 points in 33 games in his 3rd season, without two 60 points seasons.....I don't care. Zegras has plus skill. These are the guys who dumb teams make available and then smart teams pounce.



If York is sacred, then we have lost the plot. He's fine and provides positive value, but he is not a difference maker. If your comp was the evergreen "Kimmo Timonen," projecting him as a 1st pair guy, then we were never dealing with reality.

I was thinking the other day that I don't know how he wins offensively. We were conservative projecting the offense, focusing more on efficiency, but it's honestly worse than expected, with the minimal risk down to zero. He rarely makes non-direct plays, doesn't skate with the puck much, grades as very average as a mover, doesn't have any 1v1 elusiveness/creativity to manipulate lanes or beat checkers. No PK gives him any respect to collapse the interior. Besides making smart choices in tempo, along with being positionally sound, there's no there there that makes me see another level. His post-NTDP production feels accurate.

So the Canes are going to grab him....