Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid: Flyers Rumors & Media Mentions

[TheKingPin]

Meanwhile the Pens are about to take it in with Guentzel and get the next dynasty going after trading Crosby and Malkin.

 

[Deadpool8812]

I’m doing my best to reserve judgment until after the trade deadline but I can’t help feeling this is going to be another shitty/stupid TDL.

I wanna stay positive, but it's hard to with all these reports. Like I said before, only the Flyers can have 3 players listed on trade bait lists and believe holding onto all 3 is the right move when you're supposedly in a rebuild.

Regardless of what is being offered, you move Walker and Seeler without question.

 

[FlyerNutter]

I kind of want them to do it. Re sign both of them.

The faster this charade is over, the quicker we can move on. They continue to trot out the same inbred management groups, over - and over.

There is a sick pleasure in seeing them double down on failure.

As long as Frank Sinatra plays loudly in the background. They will be satisfied that they failed the Flyer way.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

Andrae, Grans and Attard all kind of suck. Note: I’d still play them all.

Give Bonk time.

I think Andrae can play

 

[bennysflyers16]

Ruff fired, watch the Devils go on a run,,,

SELL SELL SELL

 

[Audible Velvet]

Ruff fired, watch the Devils go on a run,,,

SELL SELL SELL

The plot thickens

 

[bennysflyers16]

The plot thickens

No trades
Add some vet plugs
Lessen younger guys TOI
Miss the playoffs

The script is written sadly.

 

[Magua]

The Flyers were in fear that if the Gauthier news leaked, with 2.5 years of control, they’d have to settle for a 4th round pick and a 24 year old AHLer.

But I’m supposed to believe this deadline, with pending UFAs, is actually a brilliant media stratagem to maximize returns.....and not what they actually believe?

 

[Random Forest]

Risto will be easy to move. He's a big strong RHD who has some ability. He's been solid the last two seasons, except for the injuries. He's only 29.

I swear if he were a UFA this summer he'd get $5M. But for the sake of argument, all the Flyers will have to do is eat around $1M and there will be multiple teams interested.

I will say, it’s possible for it to both be true that Ristolainen would get a $5M contract in free agency and also that he wouldn’t be movable in a trade. GMs are absurdly contradictory in this way. They will do insanely stupid things on July 1st and then wonder why their hands are tied in trades. Plenty of examples of players getting waived or traded for negative value and then somehow finding contracts in the summer.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

 

[BritainStix]

What cannot be understated Is just how tough the flyers run in for the post season is. We are playing every good team over the next month.

If we don't sell now, we're f***ed.

 

[scumpup]

if we lose every game from here on out we can still get a good pick

 

[BiggE]

if we lose every game from here on out we can still get a good pick

They are an Ersson injury away from losing out the rest of the season. Hmm, wonder what Tonya Harding is doing these days..

 

[Kelmitchell2]

That’s what makes me upset. This team has some legitimately nice pieces currently here: 74, 11, 8, 10, 71, 86, 48, 33, 9, 6… none are at the level of “elite”. A couple of nice prospects not named Michkov, also cool, but what are their true ceilings?

They didn’t want to tank, ok that’s fine! But you have to move Seeler, Walker, Laughton to get assets to go get a Zegras, or a young star that wants to play in the US or the East Coast. Otherwise we are banking on a few mid to late firsts to draft that elite talent - or use as trade bait. Also with Ellis, Hayes, DeAngelo, and Petersen all impacting our cap in one way or another….our short term flexibility largely is impacted by the cap stagnating.

This week is gonna be a disaster, I said I would wait to judge Danny come Friday but it’s not looking good. At all.

We've been waiting with open arms for you to finally see the light, welcome brother

 

[usahockey22flyers]

We've been waiting with open arms for you to finally see the light, welcome brother

I told you, if they don’t sell, I am going to be insufferable Friday. I’ll call into WIP.

 

[Magua]

We expect a 1st+ for Laughton but a 6th for Hayes is a great deal?

Since it's topical, Hayes had 45 points in 50 games last year before he went to the All-Star game. The Flyers ate half his contract, so his cap hit is $3.57MM. We are beat over the head about the value of centers. Granlund, with 36 points in 58 games at the same age, was traded for a 2nd rounder. For his full 3 years x $5MM deal.

I'm fine and dandy never having to watch Hayes again, but I don't need my intelligence insulted that they're lucky to have gotten a 6th. Timing and narratives are everything. And I'll bet that Fletcher, who pointlessly oversaw the deadline, did not want to trade Hayes.

Pissing on the potential value of their assets, while not cashing in on real value, is a Flyers tradition.

 

[GKJ]

To me, a 6th round pick was not worth tying up a retention slot for 3 years. Just buy him out. The Blues may end up doing that anyways and we’re still screwed even more. I’d feel different if it was just this year.

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

I don’t know but I don’t see Guentzel as a Carolina type of move. Pettersson absolutely fit their mo given how conscious they are on age curves & contract value. You’re talking a 25 year old to 29 year old there plus Pettersson is a legit superstar center. Guentzel is really good & first line caliber but he’s not at that level.

I doubt Carolina has an appetite for that contract extension given they’ve let better players walk before in similar age range (Hamilton) & if you’re not willing to extend him there’s no point in paying the trade asking price or anything close to it. I think even if the price comes down there on Guentzel it’s probably still a first rounder+ type of value. Carolina usually goes for the cheaper more efficient route than conventional thinking.

Carolina probably has data to support that Pettersson at $12M is cheaper and more efficient than what he is actually worth.

Don't know if he would have committed 7-8 years to Carolina, but smart teams at least ask questions when players of his caliber have their names floating about.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Carolina probably has data to support that Pettersson is at $12M is cheaper and more efficient than what he is actually worth.

Don't know if he would have committed 7-8 years to Carolina, but smart teams at least ask questions when players of his caliber have their names floating about.

Yeah they were definitely thinking along the same line as Florida did with Thakcuk. If you’re going to invest do so in a star player who can lock up in their mid 20’s to early 30’s instead of a lesser player in their late 20’s/early 30’s to their late 30’s.

But yeah their data probably supported that, even public models would have supported it.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

now, we're f***ed.

FTFY

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

You can see where Carolina nearly baited Vancouver with that deal if they were offering up Necas & Koktkaniemi (I assume as the basis). Carolina likely views those players as secondary players to varying degrees. Nobody works the secondary & depth market as efficiently as them in the league. So I don’t think they fall into the conventional thinking of quantity over quality which most front offices probably would.

 

[Curufinwe]

To me, a 6th round pick was not worth tying up a retention slot for 3 years. Just buy him out. The Blues may end up doing that anyways and we’re still screwed even more. I’d feel different if it was just this year.

Buyout would last for 6 years.

 

[BlackandOrange]

Sign Walker + Seeler and add Derek Grant + Nate Thompson. No assets used and you could physically taste the culture in the room

Tastes like pennies

 

[BlackandOrange]

Walker has to be moved. He's the kind of guy who will get overpaid on the market and become a whipping boy because some GM offered him too much money and term. Let's not have it be us and get an asset at the same time.

 

[GKJ]

Buyout would last for 6 years.

If you’re rebuilding, that’s not really much to worry about. Penalties on years 4-6 were just over $800k, and the cap is going up. The retention slot is more valuable, so having that tied up for 3 years should get me something, because that seems to happen for everyone else. The fact that Briere was hustling to have TDA be a retained salary was stupid, too.