Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid: Flyers Rumors & Media Mentions

[Ghosts Beer]

Yandle

I could see it.

 

[GKJ]

This is the written version

With Walker and Seeler, those don’t sound like hurdles that don’t get cleared if they’re guys you really want.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

This is the written version

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With Walker and Seeler, those don’t sound like hurdles that don’t get cleared if they’re guys you really want.

JFC if they give Walker five years

 

[bennysflyers16]

JFC if they give Walker five years

And up to 6 mill per,,, Imagine Walker and Risto making close to 12 mill.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Damn, that sucks, maybe should have actually committed to your plan.

The concept of playing out the market by dropping leaks everywhere is valid, and I don’t mind that it is a plan. I don’t think most people would mind that being a plan. The issue is that we don’t trust who is executing the plan.

Gonna be pretty awesome next year when they actually do crash because a bunch of teams behind them get their shit together.

they are def. a worse team next year...

 

[Ghosts Beer]

For whatever it's worth, Dom Luszczyszyn's player evaluation model rates Sean Walker's "market value" at $6.6M this season.

I say that not to claim Walker deserves a $6.6M AAV extension, but as a reminder that he's had a really good season, and that also people are probably undervaluing him if they think $5M is a gross overpay.

 

[ponder719]

For whatever it's worth, Dom Luszczyszyn's player evaluation model rates Sean Walker's "market value" at $6.6M this season.

I say that not to claim Walker deserves a $6.6M AAV extension, but as a reminder that he's had a really good season, and that also people are probably undervaluing him if they think $5M is a gross overpay.

Like with most things in life, it's context sensitive, and it's the context that hurts the argument for paying him. It's not a gross overpay if you're a Cup contending team in years 1-3 of that extension, so for an Edmonton or Toronto, that's a very logical contract to offer.

It is if you're hoping to get $5M worth of value out of years 4 and 5, when you really need it. With the Flyers being in this boat, offering Walker that much money is a fool's errand, because the Walker of four years from now is likely to be a very different player.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Team of refurbished cripples

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

did we fire Briere and bring back Chuck?

 

[usahockey22flyers]

What does this say about Andrae, Grans, Attard, Bonk?

 

[wankstifier]

I don't care about winning anymore. I just want The Room to be in good shape.

 

[bennysflyers16]

For whatever it's worth, Dom Luszczyszyn's player evaluation model rates Sean Walker's "market value" at $6.6M this season.

I say that not to claim Walker deserves a $6.6M AAV extension, but as a reminder that he's had a really good season, and that also people are probably undervaluing him if they think $5M is a gross overpay.

It does not matter what his worth is, unless you truly think this team can win a cup in the next 2 years you move one.

I don not want to pay him 5 mill when Risto makes the same.

Man we don't even have a goalie next year.

What does this say about Andrae, Grans, Attard, Bonk?

Bonk and Drysdale should be the right side top 6 D 3 years from now, not Sean Walker.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Like with most things in life, it's context sensitive, and it's the context that hurts the argument for paying him. It's not a gross overpay if you're a Cup contending team in years 1-3 of that extension, so for an Edmonton or Toronto, that's a very logical contract to offer.

It is if you're hoping to get $5M worth of value out of years 4 and 5, when you really need it. With the Flyers being in this boat, offering Walker that much money is a fool's errand, because the Walker of four years from now is likely to be a very different player.

Walker is 29 now. Even if he signed for 5 years, he'd only turn 34 in the last year of his contract.

He's only played 294 career NHL games. Not a lot of tread on the tires.

He's smart and he's a terrific skater, so why would he fall off a cliff at 33/34?

Niskanen was 33 when he played for the Flyers. Mark Streit was 36-39.

I don not want to pay him 5 mill when Risto makes the same.

If they sign Walker, they are trading Risto.

 

[LegionOfGloom]

I like how everyone assumes its Walker and not the Flyers pushing for the longer term. Usually a safe assumption but not with this clown show.

 

[bennysflyers16]

Walker is 29 now. Even if he signed for 5 years, he'd only turn 34 in the last year of his contract.

He's only played 294 career NHL games. Not a lot of tread on the tires.

He's smart and he's a terrific skater, so why would he fall off a cliff at 33/34?

Niskanen was 33 when he played for the Flyers. Mark Streit was 36-39.


If they sign Walker, they are trading Risto.

You one of the few that think he is moveable , he will not be traded without us adding a TON

 

[ponder719]

He's only played 294 career NHL games. Not a lot of tread on the tires.

No, but there was at least one blowout and a patch job, and a repaired tire is rarely as structurally sound as a new one.

Sure, it's possible he remains healthy and effective throughout that entire contract, but I don't want the Flyers to be taking that risk, unless we've at least gotten assets for him in a deadline deal this year first. If they sign him as a UFA, sure, then we're just throwing money at a problem to see if it works. It's giving up on the opportunity cost that would really rankle, if we are indeed to believe that this team intends to rebuild and develop a proper contender in a reasonable timeline.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

I hope all this angst isn’t affecting any sleep around here

 

[pooch]

I’m doing my best to reserve judgment until after the trade deadline but I can’t help feeling this is going to be another shitty/stupid TDL.

 

[TheKingPin]

Serevalli criticized the thought of the Flyers not moving Seeler &/or Walker at the deadline on his podcast today. He said the only worse thing would be re-signing these guys to the likely prices they would require extend them.

I guess like Friedman he thinks the Flyers could be backing themselves potentially into an unfavorable situation. I guess he’s not totally convinced after potentially passing up trade value for these guys they actually walk away from them too which could put all the leverage in their contract asks. He said he likes Seeler & Walker on the current deals but not paying them $3M & $5M or more a year on lengthier terms.

Exactly. They would have all the leverage. It’s better for your job and the team to trade them so what the hell are we doing!?

 

[freakydallas13]

Danny is actively trying to re-sign Walker and Seeler.

Friendly reminder that when asked how he was going to acquire high end talent, DB answered "we drafted high the last 2 years".

They aren't adding more high end talent outside of MM, so you all better hope he's enough to turn the current roster into a perennial contender.

 

[tnfrs]

i wonder what we could get for drysdale? if danny can leverage him into something more id be impressed. even though we're in a play off race we're still 15 points behind the top top teams and thats a significant gap. whatever we would potentially get for walker/seeler wont be a slam dunk, danny has to get creative with the valuable guys. this team desperately needs guys who can play with the puck and control games

 

[freakydallas13]

Imagine our front office being so awful the players are dictating to them what their contracts will be.

Even our head coach sits in on contract negotiations, arguing on the side of the players.

Again I have to ask, is there a single other team in this leauge with such a messed up power structure?

 

[bennysflyers16]

The 2nd place team in the metro has already earned a bye sadly.

I will guess we add John Gibson before Friday and Frost/Brink and Fla 1st goes the other way.

And the dinos will dance in the streets.

 

[Fight4yourRight]

What does this say about Andrae, Grans, Attard, Bonk?

Andrae, Grans and Attard all kind of suck. Note: I’d still play them all.

Give Bonk time.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

You one of the few that think he is moveable , he will not be traded without us adding a TON

Risto will be easy to move. He's a big strong RHD who has some ability. He's been solid the last two seasons, except for the injuries. He's only 29.

I swear if he were a UFA this summer he'd get $5M. But for the sake of argument, all the Flyers will have to do is eat around $1M and there will be multiple teams interested.