Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid: Flyers Rumors & Media Mentions

[CrosbyStaalsAndNash]

I'm a Jets fan and if you're offered Lambert+ in any trade that isn't for Michkov, you should accept that so quickly. He's gonna be a stud in the league.

But I couldn't agree more, the Jets and Flyers have been heavily scouting eachother for way too long for it to not have the potential to include high end NHLers and/or high end prospects

 

[Adam Warlock]

Blah blah blah. I have zero interest in the “not a damn thing has changed” line.

Again, everyone loved Hextall’s plan which was to accumulate picks and stack the prospect pool. That was massively different from the Holmgren years. And the Fletcher years were certainly different (and worse). Just shut up with repeating the same line. Things are clearly different and have been under every leadership group. And it might be worse this time! Failure has been the only constant, but it’s just nonsense for likes to keep repeating this at this point.

The constant has been the following:

Overvaluing blue collar bottom of the line up type players bc they possess traits that the core foundation of this franchise was built on. Those traits include "toughness" (playing through injuries) , "paying your dues" (working your way up through the minors), and "sacrificing for your team"fights, block shots), and "veteran leadership".

Not saying none of those matter and that many execs around the league dont also value these traits, but the Flyers have been the leader in valuing them in tbe cap era.

Clarke, Homer, Hexy, and Fletch, despite their differences, have all had their downfalls by doubling down on theae types of guys, overpaying in assets and cap space plus taking roster spots away from younger more promising players hurting their development.

Clarke (Rathje, Hatcher, Therian signing)
Homer (Amac, Vinny, Carcillo trade)
Hextall (Hak, Weisse, Lethera, Manning, vdv, etc)
Fletch (Risto and TDA trades, not trading simmonds early)

In a salary cap world...you have to find value. You have to draft and develop well so guys contribute on entry level deals. You have to be willing to trade guys before they get overpaid, not being the one overpaying them. The Flyers philosophy has prohibited them from doing those things.

DB taking Walker as a cap dump and then flipping him for an asset is a very savy modern GM move

Him resigning him to a multi year deal into his 30s bc they like his attitude is more of the same bad flyers moves.

So yes...we are a little passionate about which way this TDL should go.

 

[GKJ]

I wonder if they’re looking at Heinola, too. He hasn’t broken through. Jets have UFA’s on defense and could move in next year, but he should be pushing them out.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

I wonder if they’re looking at Heinola, too. He hasn’t broken through. Jets have UFA’s on defense and could move in next year, but he should be pushing them out.

He was out most of the season and with the likes of Dillon and DeMelo UFAs after this season, I could see Heinola get a full time place as the 2LD. He could also start quarterbacking the 2PP unit as well at some point as well next year. I think this might be the best opportunity he's had with the Jets in his career.

 

[Fight4yourRight]

I'm a Jets fan and if you're offered Lambert+ in any trade that isn't for Michkov, you should accept that so quickly. He's gonna be a stud in the league.

But I couldn't agree more, the Jets and Flyers have been heavily scouting eachother for way too long for it to not have the potential to include high end NHLers and/or high end prospects

I’m sorry.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

I think Lucius got hurt way before our scouts got there. Dude is skilled, but he's had... 3 or 4 major surgeries in the last 3 or 4 years?

I think Lucius got hurt toward the end of January, and the Flyers have been scouting Manitoba for a while. Regardless, they have continued scouting Manitoba since Lucius' injury.

I agree that Lucius' injury history is a turn-off.

 

[Random Forest]

The constant has been the following:

Overvaluing blue collar bottom of the line up type players bc they possess traits that the core foundation of this franchise was built on. Those traits include "toughness" (playing through injuries) , "paying your dues" (working your way up through the minors), and "sacrificing for your team"fights, block shots), and "veteran leadership".

Not saying none of those matter and that many execs around the league dont also value these traits, but the Flyers have been the leader in valuing them in tbe cap era.

Clarke, Homer, Hexy, and Fletch, despite their differences, have all had their downfalls by doubling down on theae types of guys, overpaying in assets and cap space plus taking roster spots away from younger more promising players hurting their development.

Clarke (Rathje, Hatcher, Therian signing)
Homer (Amac, Vinny, Carcillo trade)
Hextall (Hak, Weisse, Lethera, Manning, vdv, etc)
Fletch (Risto and TDA trades, not trading simmonds early)

In a salary cap world...you have to find value. You have to draft and develop well so guys contribute on entry level deals. You have to be willing to trade guys before they get overpaid, not being the one overpaying them. The Flyers philosophy has prohibited them from doing those things.

DB taking Walker as a cap dump and then flipping him for an asset is a very savy modern GM move

Him resigning him to a multi year deal into his 30s bc they like his attitude is more of the same bad flyers moves.

So yes...we are a little passionate about which way this TDL should go.

Your criticisms aren’t really wrong, but you’ve also described like 90% of NHL execs and operators. It’s a backwards thinking league, and always has been. Even the good ones suffer from these delusions. Even Yzerman, the architect of the NHL’s most modern-style roster, is criticized for stuff like this. Joe Sakic, before Makar fell into his lap was not highly regarded at all by Avalanche fans. Frankly, luck plays a much bigger role in many of the successes than anyone wants to believe. These modes of thinking are not remotely unique to the Flyers, so the “same old Flyers” trope really just doesn’t work given the relative worlds of differences from Holmgren to Hextall to Fletcher to Briere.

 

[Fight4yourRight]

What’s a Finnish guy doing being named “Brad Lambert”?

His dad (Ross) was a hockey player from Saskatchewan and married a Finnish woman.

It’s clear who got to choose his name.

 

[bennysflyers16]

I wonder if they’re looking at Heinola, too. He hasn’t broken through. Jets have UFA’s on defense and could move in next year, but he should be pushing them out.

I really like Heinola, don't think the Flyers would tho unless York was going the other way in a package.

York Heinola Drysdale would be real small

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Interesting aside:

Brad Lambert's father Ross played NCAA hockey at Princeton around a decade or so before Brent Flahr played for Princeton.

Also, for some reason I didn't realize Lane Lambert is Brad's uncle.

 

[FlyguyOX]

I’m sorry.

Be nice. Not many of them around anymore it seems.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I get Laughton has term so it’s not just a rental this year but I really don’t see the point of acquiring Monahan & him after you just paid a steep price for the former.

I just don’t see them trading Lambert either. Teams in the NHL generally just don’t trade prospects they like & think have potential to be impact players.

My guess would be they’re just looking at Walker who’s more affordable & fits more of a need for them at this point.

 

[wankstifier]

Does Winnipeg seem to be a more likely trade partner than Dallas?

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Listening to Charlie’s recent podcast he said he believes Attard is in line to get the call-up on the backend if a trade were to happen (or potentially now with an injury to Drysdale). He thought they would have soured on Attard given he’s almost 25 & hasn’t nailed a full time spot down yet but he doesn’t think that’s the case.

He said the organization still thinks highly of Andrae but he’s probably not gonna play with the Flyers again this year unless some crazy run of injuries. He said he thinks they’re out on Ginning too.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Cheveldayoff is like the stingiest trader in the league. Wouldn’t expect much.

 

[Beef Invictus]

What’s a Finnish guy doing being named “Brad Lambert”?

Untrustworthy behavior

 

[Beef Invictus]

It's not specific moves. It's a combination that fills a checklist:

1. Clear prioritization of a sustained peak during the likely Michkov years.
2. Not giving term to depth players.
3. Moving parts they haven't clearly soured on already.

I don't think it's going to happen. But it theoretically could if you sum up the deadline, draft, and first couple of days of free agency.

This is all I want. It's all I've begged for since they drafted Michkov.


They are going to do it. You'll all see.

 

[Mickey the mouse]

Listening to Charlie’s recent podcast he said he believes Attard is in line to get the call-up on the backend if a trade were to happen (or potentially now with an injury to Drysdale). He thought they would have soured on Attard given he’s almost 25 & hasn’t nailed a full time spot down yet but he doesn’t think that’s the case.

He said the organization still thinks highly of Andrae but he’s probably not gonna play with the Flyers again this year unless some crazy run of injuries. He said he thinks they’re out on Ginning too.

Attard will probably get the call up seeing he’s a Right shot.

Belpidio has been injured for 6-7 weeks and just returned this weekend

 

[LegionOfGloom]

It's not specific moves. It's a combination that fills a checklist:

1. Clear prioritization of a sustained peak during the likely Michkov years.
2. Not giving term to depth players.
3. Moving parts they haven't clearly soured on already.

I don't think it's going to happen. But it theoretically could if you sum up the deadline, draft, and first couple of days of free agency.

That's pretty similar to my list for Briere last offseaon but perhaps I was unreasonable in hoping he'd hit the ground running instead of continuing to run us into the ground.

 

[Adam Warlock]

Your criticisms aren’t really wrong, but you’ve also described like 90% of NHL execs and operators. It’s a backwards thinking league, and always has been. Even the good ones suffer from these delusions. Even Yzerman, the architect of the NHL’s most modern-style roster, is criticized for stuff like this. Joe Sakic, before Makar fell into his lap was not highly regarded at all by Avalanche fans. Frankly, luck plays a much bigger role in many of the successes than anyone wants to believe. These modes of thinking are not remotely unique to the Flyers, so the “same old Flyers” trope really just doesn’t work given the relative worlds of differences from Holmgren to Hextall to Fletcher to Briere.

Youre correct...that old school thinking is still out there and common. Theres a reason teams still want Risto.

But for the Flyers they see it

Your criticisms aren’t really wrong, but you’ve also described like 90% of NHL execs and operators. It’s a backwards thinking league, and always has been. Even the good ones suffer from these delusions. Even Yzerman, the architect of the NHL’s most modern-style roster, is criticized for stuff like this. Joe Sakic, before Makar fell into his lap was not highly regarded at all by Avalanche fans. Frankly, luck plays a much bigger role in many of the successes than anyone wants to believe. These modes of thinking are not remotely unique to the Flyers, so the “same old Flyers” trope really just doesn’t work given the relative worlds of differences from Holmgren to Hextall to Fletcher to Briere.

Whats unique to the Flyers is they see it as their identity.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I've never thought "this bad thing is fine because other people do it to" is a good justification. It sucks that the bulk of the league insists on holding itself back for no real reason...but that also means that gaining an advantage relative to most teams is not that hard.

 

[GKJ]

ASF going to be on WIP soon with Rob Ellis and Al

 

[mr4tno]

Youre correct...that old school thinking is still out there and common. Theres a reason teams still want Risto.

But for the Flyers they see it

Whats unique to the Flyers is they see it as their identity.

Or to put it in Jeopardy terms...How do you not win a Stanley Cup for 50 years?

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Or to put it in Jeopardy terms...How do you not win a Stanley Cup for 50 years?

Toronto hasn’t been to a Cup Final since they won in 67 have they? At least the Flyers have had some shots at it

 

[WolfOfBroadStreet14]

ASF going to be on WIP soon with Rob Ellis and Al

Anything noteworthy?