Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid: Flyers Rumors & Media Mentions

[Kelmitchell2]

Why? For who?

The fans who give a damn about the team, can't sell a rebuild and not want to trade anyone, and also can't shit on players and allow their trade values to tank, there's ways of wording things to protect both parties

 

[BritainStix]

The fans who give a damn about the team, can't sell a rebuild and not want to trade anyone, and also can't shit on players and allow their trade values to tank, there's ways of wording things to protect both parties

Please, tell me what you want them to sat. I'm dying to hear it.

 

[Adam Warlock]

Please, tell me what you want them to sat. I'm dying to hear it.

Sell sell sell. Playoffs are basically out of reach at this point with the poor play and injuries piling up.

 

[Kelmitchell2]

Please, tell me what you want them to sat. I'm dying to hear it.

I already said it last page but this is what I said

"We aren't looking to give him away, but if there's an offer that helps us in the long run, than discussions will be had" at least make it look like you're trying to stick to what you sold the fan base, that answer says we may or may not trade him, but we still have the rebuild in mind, that's what a smart president of hockey ops would say, even if he doesn't believe it

That's what smart management would say in these situations, not "only an overpay" can't sell a rebuild and not rebuild......however if you ask me, what I said is damn good, it's not hurting player moral, it's not lying to the fanbase, and it's also not giving false hope...for some lol

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Sell sell sell. Playoffs are basically out of reach at this point with the poor play and injuries piling up.

The teams below the Flyers haven’t really showed they aren’t much better. It’s the Rangers and Canes. Everyone else has shown enough consistency

 

[Kelmitchell2]

The teams below the Flyers haven’t really showed they aren’t much better. It’s the Rangers and Canes. Everyone else has shown enough consistency

What's wild is of not for the newer playoff format we wouldn't even hold the last wild card spot

 

[captainpaxil]

Yup if we can get two firsts this deadline, I’d hope one is a 2025 pick, 3 this year gives you a lot of flexibility at the draft.

And big agree on the draft, which is why a TK deadline trade never made sense. However if someone offers a top 8ish pick at the draft, maybe an Ottawa esque situation or Detroit last year… i’m interested

I think a big part of the Laughton discussion is secretly we expect a realistic return of a 2nd for walker and a 3rd for seeler . We're most likely not getting another first

 

[Rebels57]

When was Hextall "had" in a trade as Flyers GM?

Hartnell for Umberger

 

[GKJ]

Brief Flyers mention upon Drysdale getting injured on this morning’s pod. Elliotte has no reason to believe that the big picture look has changed and should not change based on the injuries. It won’t change unless they’ve decided they want to make the playoffs. Briere has to know the lines he has on trading or resigning them.

Jeff had wondered in his piece yesterday about teams calling for both Seeler and Walker together. He theorized that Tampa and Toronto would be interest but also shot down actual belief that they are.

 

[Kelmitchell2]

Hartnell for Umberger

If I remember correctly wasn't that trade only due to less years and money left on the contracts?

 

[Redpath]

Brief Flyers mention upon Drysdale getting injured on this morning’s pod. Elliotte has no reason to believe that the big picture look has changed and should not change based on the injuries. It won’t change unless they’ve decided they want to make the playoffs. Briere has to know the lines he has on trading or resigning them.

Jeff had wondered in his piece yesterday about teams calling for both Seeler and Walker together. He theorized that Tampa and Toronto would be interest but also shot down actual belief that they are.

"Hey Brad Teliving, come buy an established, hard working d-pair unit for your playoff run" has all the makings of an unprecedented overpay.

 

[GKJ]

"Hey Brad Teliving, come buy an established, hard working d-pair unit for your playoff run" has all the makings of an unprecedented overpay.

They went into the Leafs, the players have have are working out right now. They only want to add if they don’t have to give up anything.

 

[Random Forest]

If I remember correctly wasn't that trade only due to less years and money left on the contracts?

That was definitely the narrative to justify the trade, and there’s some truth to it, but it’s also clear that Hextall saw Umberger as a useful roster player too. That trade happened when Flyers fans had rock solid trust in Hextall and were willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. The contentiousness was because Hartnell was still a valuable contributor, and many of us did not think he was a negative value player.

In hindsight, both got bought out of the contracts they were on, and Hartnell’s contract was definitely more of an anchor given the term, but he did also have a few more productive years left after the trade. There’s enough for both sides to claim they were right, imo.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Hextall’s entire tenure with the Flyers & then Pens showed he took players based name recognition & not what they actually were at the time of the trade. With the Pens you just saw a more aggressive side than here. Umberger, Filppula, Lehtera, Carter, Granlund, Rakell, etc.

 

[Fight4yourRight]

"Hey Brad Teliving, come buy an established, hard working d-pair unit for your playoff run" has all the makings of an unprecedented overpay.

Robertson looks like a prime candidate to get shipped out.

 

[Curufinwe]

If I remember correctly wasn't that trade only due to less years and money left on the contracts?

I think that was the main reason, but Hextall seem to think Umberger could still be a useful 3rd line and he wasn't.

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[GKJ]

Hextall’s entire tenure with the Flyers & then Pens showed he took players based name recognition & not what they actually were at the time of the trade. With the Pens you just saw a more aggressive side than here. Umberger, Filppula, Lehtera, Carter, Granlund, Rakell, etc.

Hextall was just not a good hire, and he needed to go somewhere that would commit to burning everything down. Pittsburgh was not that, because when he was ready to pull the trigger on it and let Malkin walk, the goalposts were moved on him, and he was dead man walking right then and there. This is not to say he’s actually good or was even right, but it’s clear that Hextall had a plan in mind there and then didn’t get to do it the way he thought he’d be allowed to.

 

[TheKingPin]

Laughton’s return is skyrocketing right now. A penalty killing center that can put up huge shorthanded points consistently. That’s a 1st minimum at the deadline.

 

[Fight4yourRight]

Yeah say what you want about his motivations (forever Flyer?), but Laughton has put in a really good number of games of late. The complicating factor is whether DB is actually realistic about his ask. Two 1sts is not. A 1st and 2nd would be a solid return that no one could be pissed off about.

 

[Danko]

Laughton’s return is skyrocketing right now. A penalty killing center that can put up huge shorthanded points consistently. That’s a 1st minimum at the deadline.

They had offers for a late 1st rounder last year from what I remember.

 

[FlyguyOX]

What is everyone's belief of Farabee's ultimate upside? I thought he was breaking out this year but has on a terrible cold streak now.

I'm trying to figure it out myself in the context of fantasy. I traded kakko and Dylan Strome for him because of cap issues, combined with the thought he was having a breakout year at EV, and now a month later I'm considering moving on as my main competition just acquired Kucherov.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Hextall’s entire tenure with the Flyers & then Pens showed he took players based name recognition & not what they actually were at the time of the trade. With the Pens you just saw a more aggressive side than here. Umberger, Filppula, Lehtera, Carter, Granlund, Rakell, etc.

When I look back on it, the quote that sticks out to me is from his weird post-firing PC. He said something to the effect of him being locked in his office looking at aging curves. I don’t think he knew what he was reading.

 

[TheKingPin]

Yeah say what you want about his motivations (forever Flyer?), but Laughton has put in a really good number of games of late. The complicating factor is whether DB is actually realistic about his ask. Two 1sts is not. A 1st and 2nd would be a solid return that no one could be pissed off about.

They had offers for a late 1st rounder last year from what I remember.

I am hopeful they sell at 1st + 2nd or maybe more if the picks are 2025 or later. One less year of term. Think he has 1 year left on his deal. One year older. Production down until this hot streak. Thinking they would be more willing to trade him for a similar or less return to last year.

Fla 1st
Ducks 2nd in 25


Really need to add more 1sts and 2nds.

 

[Random Forest]

It’s actually interesting to consider how much rope fans gave Hextall. There was a ton of buy-in for his plan and vision. I think a lot of the extreme pessimism about Briere & Jones is actually downstream from the dissonance surrounding Hextall and his failure. I remember from 2014 through 2016, there was a huge “stick to the plan” ethos around here. And Hextall did exactly that. He just couldn’t take the prospect pool he built and take the next step to convert it into a contending team. I am far from a Hextall apologist, but you can also imagine a world where things turn out differently if Nolan Patrick became who we hoped he could be.

Now you have Briere and Jones saying mostly the right things, and we’re all super anxious that they don’t mean it and that it won’t work out. I think a lot of that comes from fans being so bought in to the early Hextall vision and ending up burned.

From 2015 through 2018, Hextall amassed 36 picks (9 per draft) with seven(!) first round picks and five second round picks. He did the thing everyone wanted (and still wants) a GM to do. My takeaway from his tenure was that it takes more than just stockpiling high picks to contend. That’s a necessary but insufficient condition of building a winner. Luck is a huge component, and also knowing when to cash in your chips.

 

[VladDrag]

Robertson looks like a prime candidate to get shipped out.

I wouldn't mind having him included in a deal, but he's playing a legit top-9 role with the big club. He's pacing for a 40 point season. And this is the first time he's played more than 40 games since his D+1 season. I know he's showing up in rumors, but I have to imagine, he's worth more to TOR than how much other teams are valuing him. It doesn't make as much sense to me, unless they have someone who can fill his spot in the minors right now.