Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid: Flyers Rumors & Media Mentions

[Curufinwe]

Sorry but this is a problem of Briere's own making. He is the one who refused to trade these veterans in the offseason resulting in a "rebuilding" team full of veterans and geriatrics. So now he'll refuse to sell because his team of vets is overachieving. Then we rinse and repeat the same thing this offseason and before we know it we're five years into a rebuild that hasn't started.

It's not actually a problem for Briere that the team are currently in a playoff spot and may or may not sell off assets like Walker. A surprise playoff appearance is what Jonesy and Hilferty wanted all along.

 

[Redpath]

They've been in a playoff hunt since the beginning of the season. And it isn't about taking personal offense, it is telling our young developing guys (guys that everyone is always so critical about this team with how they develop players) that they shouldn't be playing to win. I know people laugh about culture and think it isn't a big deal, but loser teams lose. You think any of these guys will reach their full potential playing year in and year out on loser teams where they aren't trying to win? How is that working out in Edmonton? NYI? Arizona? Or right here in our own city after the "Process" played out so nicely. And so forth and so on.

This shouldn't be taken as me saying we should be buyers or we should not trade anyone, I hate this team and this organization right now and I think they should 100% fire sell anything and everything and if they don't it is a joke. But that's a very different reality than being the actual GM of a hockey team in the midst of a playoff hunt. I'll be right there with my pitchfork if and when they f*** this up, but pretending like Briere has an obvious choice in reality is a different story. Both things can be true. You can be critical of the team and disagree with them while still recognizing that there is more to it than "TRADE EVERYONE AND WE WILL EVENTUALLY BE GOOD."

Selling off at the deadline isn't telling the guys "Don't play to win." Selling off at the deadline is telling the guys "It is still a rebuild, and this is a hard decision we need to make for your futures." It is absolutely taking personal offense if a player thinks it means "Don't play to win."

Do you really think the Sixers lose in the playoffs because of loser Process culture? Not because of injuries and depth and just being worse than most teams they've ran into? Embiid has missed the playoffs once, so he was never taught to lose. No other players on the Sixers still exist from the tank seasons. It's a lazy excuse to blame "losing culture" rather than roster construction. Of course, the only reason the Sixers are even noteworthy (And the Oilers, for example) is because they tanked and got elite talent. Not to mention this ignores all the Cup winners who did overcome supposed loser culture to become, well, Cup winners.

It is an obvious choice for Briere, though. Does he have to be a bad guy? Sure, I'm some players will be dissapointed to lose their friends and good teammates. But that's the job Briere has to clearly execute on. If he wants to make everyone happy, he's in the wrong job.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Maybe they are being positively dishonest

 

[wankstifier]

On paper, looks like Vancouver and Calgary will have a ton of turnover on D. Might be able to trade Ristolainen to one of those teams in the offseason? Toronto is rumored to have interest, but that seems like a more complicated fit.

Don't see the rush to buyout Ristolainen.

 

[Audible Velvet]

Selling off at the deadline isn't telling the guys "Don't play to win." Selling off at the deadline is telling the guys "It is still a rebuild, and this is a hard decision we need to make for you futures." It is absolutely taking personal offense if a player thinks it means "Don't play to win."

Do you really think the Sixers lose in the playoffs because of loser Process culture? Not because of injuries and depth and just being worse than most teams they've ran into? Embiid has missed the playoffs once, so he was never taught to lose. No other players on the Sixers still exist from the tank seasons. It's a lazy excuse to blame "losing culture" rather than roster construction. Of course, the only reason the Sixers are even noteworthy (And the Oilers, for example) is because they tanked and got elite talent. Not to mention this ignores all the Cup winners who did overcome supposed loser culture to become, well, Cup winners.

It is an obvious choice for Briere, though. Does he have to be a bad guy? Sure, I'm some players will be dissapointed to lose their friends and good teammates. But that's the job Briere has to clearly execute on. If he wants to make everyone happy, he's in the wrong job.

Yeah. Players get moved all the time. So do GMs to a degree. Then they play it down when asked. This is the business, and they surely understand, even when it’s not what they personally want.

 

[WolfOfBroadStreet14]

I wonder if Cates will be asked about and what he could fetch in a trade. I know he’s having a down year but I remember reading somewhere the Oilers supposedly offered a 1st this offseason.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Yeah. Sure, playing The Honorable Slobs over young guys helps draft position. But by how much? And does that bump in draft position offset the value in having a worthwhile development program where young guys know they can actually play their way up to the league instead of being eternally mired in AHL limbo behind guys who suck and are only going to suck more over time?

Is the result of a process of accidentally boosting your draft position more advantageous overall than a process that could yield a lot more talent down the road?

 

[Flyerfan4life]

I didn't think the team was good enough for the playoffs but I absolutely believed it was way too good for a team entering a rebuild. And that is absolutely on Briere who refused to tank. And tanking can mean stripping everything done or just moving guys who are not part of the long term. He choose Option C and did NOTHING. There were plenty of people here arguing that this team was too good and would likely pick around #12 and miss all the elite prospects. Ok, they overachieved and will probably pick 18-23 but the point still remains. This team was better than we thought but many of us thought it was too good to begin with.

Coots
Konecny
Atkinsson
Laughton
Cates
Poehling
Deslauriers
Hathaway
Sanheim
Staal
Ristolainan
Walker
Seeler

That's 13 out of 21 skater slots. Even if you say Coots, TK, and Sanheim are part of the future, that's still almost half your roster devoted to useless pieces moving forward. Your 2023-2024 REBUILDING Philadelphia Flyers

i think thats the old '23 roster..

oh wait..

#rebuilt...

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

Selling off at the deadline isn't telling the guys "Don't play to win." Selling off at the deadline is telling the guys "It is still a rebuild, and this is a hard decision we need to make for your futures." It is absolutely taking personal offense if a player thinks it means "Don't play to win."

Do you really think the Sixers lose in the playoffs because of loser Process culture? Not because of injuries and depth and just being worse than most teams they've ran into? Embiid has missed the playoffs once, so he was never taught to lose. No other players on the Sixers still exist from the tank seasons. It's a lazy excuse to blame "losing culture" rather than roster construction. Of course, the only reason the Sixers are even noteworthy (And the Oilers, for example) is because they tanked and got elite talent. Not to mention this ignores all the Cup winners who did overcome supposed loser culture to become, well, Cup winners.

It is an obvious choice for Briere, though. Does he have to be a bad guy? Sure, I'm some players will be dissapointed to lose their friends and good teammates. But that's the job Briere has to clearly execute on. If he wants to make everyone happy, he's in the wrong job.

It is telling them don't play to win. What else is it? This isn't a team in last place selling off their pieces, this is a team comfortably in a playoff spot doing that. You don't need to use the words "don't play to win" to say "don't play to win." Gutting the team that is not even in a playoff hunt but in a comfortable playoff spot is saying "we are not trying to win." Hinke was named GM in 2013. And yes, Embiid is a victim of the losing culture. Maybe not him personally (although he does appear to quit when it gets tough at times) but the organization obviously is not really in a better position now than they were in 2013. I'm not a huge Sixers fan but I don't think they have made it even to conference finals with Embiid, have they? So clearly the culture of losing and having loser players cycled through during his tenure is at least a contributing factor considering they can't seem to find a team that can actually get it done. Loser organizations lose.

And the Cup winners of whom you speak are not the same as the Flyers. Show me one of these teams that have won a Cup recently that sold off things while firmly in a playoff spot. There is a big difference between saying at the beginning of the season, "Hey we know we are going to suck and this will be a long and difficult process to get back to the post-season blah blah blah" than at the end of the season saying "hey we are in a playoff spot but we aren't going to try because we want to be better a few years from now when you guys may or may not even still be here."

 

[Flyerfan4life]

It is telling them don't play to win. What else is it? This isn't a team in last place selling off their pieces, this is a team comfortably in a playoff spot doing that. You don't need to use the words "don't play to win" to say "don't play to win." Gutting the team that is not even in a playoff hunt but in a comfortable playoff spot is saying "we are not trying to win." Hinke was named GM in 2013. And yes, Embiid is a victim of the losing culture. Maybe not him personally (although he does appear to quit when it gets tough at times) but the organization obviously is not really in a better position now than they were in 2013. I'm not a huge Sixers fan but I don't think they have made it even to conference finals with Embiid, have they? So clearly the culture of losing and having loser players cycled through during his tenure is at least a contributing factor considering they can't seem to find a team that can actually get it done. Loser organizations lose.

And the Cup winners of whom you speak are not the same as the Flyers. Show me one of these teams that have won a Cup recently that sold off things while firmly in a playoff spot. There is a big difference between saying at the beginning of the season, "Hey we know we are going to suck and this will be a long and difficult process to get back to the post-season blah blah blah" than at the end of the season saying "hey we are in a playoff spot but we aren't going to try because we want to be better a few years from now when you guys may or may not even still be here."

do you honestly believe the players coming in to the start of this season didnt know it was a full rebuild ?

the fact they are/arent in a PO slot SHOULD be irrelevent to them..

but this is the Flyers.. 100% the rebuild that was never happening will be shelved for " we owe it to the lockerroom to see this run throu"

 

[GKJ]

 

[bennysflyers16]

Don't worry, Briere tried hard.

Even the GM excuses will be reused !!

 

[Redpath]

It is telling them don't play to win. What else is it? This isn't a team in last place selling off their pieces, this is a team comfortably in a playoff spot doing that. You don't need to use the words "don't play to win" to say "don't play to win." Gutting the team that is not even in a playoff hunt but in a comfortable playoff spot is saying "we are not trying to win." Hinke was named GM in 2013. And yes, Embiid is a victim of the losing culture. Maybe not him personally (although he does appear to quit when it gets tough at times) but the organization obviously is not really in a better position now than they were in 2013. I'm not a huge Sixers fan but I don't think they have made it even to conference finals with Embiid, have they? So clearly the culture of losing and having loser players cycled through during his tenure is at least a contributing factor considering they can't seem to find a team that can actually get it done. Loser organizations lose.

And the Cup winners of whom you speak are not the same as the Flyers. Show me one of these teams that have won a Cup recently that sold off things while firmly in a playoff spot. There is a big difference between saying at the beginning of the season, "Hey we know we are going to suck and this will be a long and difficult process to get back to the post-season blah blah blah" than at the end of the season saying "hey we are in a playoff spot but we aren't going to try because we want to be better a few years from now when you guys may or may not even still be here."

The can go out and win without Walker, Seeler, and Laughton. I don't think anyone thinks the intention is to tank their playoff chances. Briere and Torts would clearly like to continue winnning while also selling off.

I'm not a huge Sixers fan either, but I think you're way off base. Again, the Sixers not making a conference final can much more easily be chalked up to injuries, team depth, and playoff matchups than "losing culture" from 7 years ago that no player on the team actually lived through.

You lose me with the idea that selling off a few pieces is saying "We aren't going to try." Even if Walker, Seeler, and Laughton get traded, this team can still try to win. It gives the kids expanded roles.

 

[Magua]

My hunch is they go the coward route and keep Laughton for the stretch run — team morale! — and then look to trade him at the draft. Especially if they deal Walker. That’s them having their cake and eating it too. I don’t know if his value would actually go down. But I don’t know if his value was ever any better than last June so…..

 

[GKJ]

My hunch is they go the coward route and keep Laughton for the stretch run — team morale! — and then look to trade him at the draft. Especially if they deal Walker. That’s them having their cake and eating it too. I don’t know if his value would actually go down. But I don’t know if his value was ever any better than last June so…..

Circular theory

 

[BillDineen]

The famous app says all of Laughton, Walker and Seeler are worth a first. Risto is worth two firsts! Anything less and they just have to keep them!

 

[BringBackHakstol]

If the Flyers weren't prepared to make the hard decision now, they should have thought about that in the offseason and moved the players then.

 

[mr figgles]

I think right now Danny is praying that the Devils make some deals soon, and Ersson stays planted on earth. I have to imagine coming into the season that he didn’t think the Devils, Isles, and Pens would struggle as much as they have. Every time the Flyers struggle, the bums behind them can’t take advantage.

 

[Cody Webster]

How many phone calls will Danny make on TDL? More or less than 17

 

[Ghosts Beer]

If the best offers the Flyers get for players like Laughton, Walker, and Seeler are late-2nd rd picks, I really don't care if they decide to keep them.

I agree with what appears to be their approach: Setting the price at round 1.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Don't worry, Briere tried hard.

Even the GM excuses will be reused !!

17 phonecalls baby... GMing is hard...

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Why are people still quoting that fraud?

Because everything on the internet is true!

 

[renberg]

I think right now Danny is praying that the Devils make some deals soon, and Ersson stays planted on earth. I have to imagine coming into the season that he didn’t think the Devils, Isles, and Pens would struggle as much as they have. Every time the Flyers struggle, the bums behind them can’t take advantage.

Then, shock!, the Flyers FO misread the coming season. Granted the Devils should be in a better spot than they are now. That’s because of injuries. However Father Time has been knocking on the door for some time on the Caps, Isles and Penguins. Getting Couturier back and expected improvement by TK, Farabee and Tippett easily put the Flyers in the mix for a WC spot. DB & Co. have to do what needs to be done to push their way further up the line no matter who that means to trade.

 

[mja]

If the best offers the Flyers get for players like Laughton, Walker, and Seeler are late-2nd rd picks, I really don't care if they decide to keep them.

I agree with what appears to be their approach: Setting the price at round 1.

You don't need to tell us that you agree with Flyers management on a given issue. We just assume it to be true.

 

[bennysflyers16]

If the best offers the Flyers get for players like Laughton, Walker, and Seeler are late-2nd rd picks, I really don't care if they decide to keep them.

I agree with what appears to be their approach: Setting the price at round 1.

3 extra 2nd round picks is an insane amount of extra amo for a smart GM to have in the offseason.

Make trades, move up in 1st round, add as sweetener to buy out guys ( Rosto , Cambo )