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How about the arrogance of ignoring that both Meltzer & San Filippo reported that Hextall overruled his scouts to take Patrick, separate from Clarke acknowledging as much on a podcast.

ASF’s report came from connections with the scouting staff, not Clarke. Another league source confirmed what Clarke said, except he said it was Heiskanen, not Makar.
 
Beef Invictus said:
Why on earth wait until Michkov comes over? Make those moves now so you aren't wasting him and missing on value now.
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Because you make those moves when you're a competitive team and you're trading picks in the 20s instead of the teens, see TB. St Louis thought they were that team when they traded for Schenn, Flyers got lucky and got #14 and Farabee, a much better player than #27, Frost.

Plus, before I start trading picks, I want to build a top 5 farm system that can feed me prospects for a 5+ year period, so if I trade 1 or 2 1st rd picks over that period, I'm not in the situation Toronto is right now.
 
deadhead said:
Remember the reaction to the Provorov trade as details slowly leaked out?

God, it sucks,
ok, it's not that bad,
hey, that's a decent haul,
wow, Briere really pulled it off.

"The devil is in the details."
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I think it should be seen as reasonable to draw a clear line between the dopey Twitter race to be first and answering a direct question on a podcast.

I’m not saying you have to agree with the conclusion. Just that it’s a reasonable way to approach the issue.
 
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Ghosts Beer said:
How about the arrogance of ignoring that both Meltzer & San Filippo reported that Hextall overruled his scouts to take Patrick, separate from Clarke acknowledging as much on a podcast.

ASF’s report came from connections with the scouting staff, not Clarke. Another league source confirmed what Clarke said, except he said it was Heiskanen, not Makar.
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Once again, do me a favor and let me know when those stories came out.
 
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Hollywood Cannon said:
The only trade reaction that I remember is the Gostisbehere trade.

Hey, they got a second?
*Jojo steps in*
The Coyotes don’t have a second. The Flyers are giving it up.
Chaos ensues
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I vividly remember someone, not naming names, saying that trade was irrelevant, it was market rate to give up an early 2nd to dump an anchor contract like Ghost, that Ghost can't play defense, etc.

I do remember *that*
 
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JojoTheWhale said:
I think it should be seen as reasonable to draw a clear line between the dopey Twitter race to be first and answering a direct question on a podcast.

I’m not saying you have to agree with the conclusion. Just that it’s a reasonable way to approach the issue.
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What is more disturbing is "reporters" go "whisper down the lane," instead of picking up their cellphone and calling someone to find out what actually happened. You'd think someone would go "that's interesting, wonder what the actual offer was?" and did some digging (which in this day and age is usually 3 or 4 calls to your sources, or even a reporter for the Blues).

Of course, in this day and age, there are few reporters left, someone like ASF is more a rumor monger, I doubt he takes the effort to confirm anything he hears. The desire to be first and generate clicks tends to outweigh doing your homework.

At least Charlie has some training and experience as an actual reporter.
 
Ghosts Beer said:
How about the arrogance of ignoring that both Meltzer & San Filippo reported that Hextall overruled his scouts to take Patrick, separate from Clarke acknowledging as much on a podcast.

ASF’s report came from connections with the scouting staff, not Clarke. Another league source confirmed what Clarke said, except he said it was Heiskanen, not Makar.
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And how about the arrogance of misquoting someone with your neck puffed out like you’re trying to attract a female camel? And then doubling down on conflicting reports as being correct? It was Heiskanen! No, it was Makar! You’re not an idiot.

Bill said there was no consensus reached, but more scouts favored Heiskanen than anyone else. While I often disagree with Meltzer on hockey issues, I don’t think he makes things up. If we just stuck to this instead of the weird rush to blame everyone who is out of favor for everything, I would say nothing. And again, I have no affinity toward Hextall whatsoever.
 
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BrindamoursNose said:
I vividly remember someone, not naming names, saying that trade was irrelevant, it was market rate to give up an early 2nd to dump an anchor contract like Ghost, that Ghost can't play defense, etc.

I do remember *that*
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It was. AV didn't want Ghost on the team, Flyers were cap strapped due to COVID (every team had planned on a rising cap when giving out contracts the previous 2-3 seasons), and the mandate from the FO was to win now.

It cost more to dump one year of Stralman than two years of Ghost.

Ghost has been a 3rd pair D-man on every good team he's been on since that trade, being 1st pair on Arizona was no different than AMac being first pair on the Islanders when we traded for him.

The real issue was Holmgren refusing to hire a new GM to replace Hextall and reboot the rebuild in the summer of 2019 after Hextall failed. Instead he hired someone to patch the team into the playoffs.
 
Hollywood Cannon said:
The only trade reaction that I remember is the Gostisbehere trade.

Hey, they got a second?
*Jojo steps in*
The Coyotes don’t have a second. The Flyers are giving it up.
Chaos ensues
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Contrast that to the Risto thread where I was so far into denial that I was hoping the original report of 13 or 14+ was a bigger deal that included Reinhart. My dino brain simply could not fathom what was happening. :laugh:
 
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deadhead said:
It was. AV didn't want Ghost on the team, Flyers were cap strapped due to COVID (every team had planned on a rising cap when giving out contracts the previous 2-3 seasons), and the mandate from the FO was to win now.

It cost more to dump one year of Stralman than two years of Ghost.

Ghost has been a 3rd pair D-man on every good team he's been on since that trade, being 1st pair on Arizona was no different than AMac being first pair on the Islanders when we traded for him.

The real issue was Holmgren refusing to hire a new GM to replace Hextall and reboot the rebuild in the summer of 2019 after Hextall failed. Instead he hired someone to patch the team into the playoffs.
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Listen to me.

The Flyers traded Ghost (4.5 AAV), a 2, and a 7 to Phoenix for nothing.

Two days later, they traded Hagg, a 1, and 2 for Rasmus Ristolainen (5.4 AAV).

If the Flyers just kept Ghost, they would've gotten roughly the same output (actually Ghost was better probably), cheaper AAV, and all of those picks.

Let's not act like we didn't get DP'd on those deals, or that we were wrong for even feeling to the NEED to dump Ghost in the 1st place.
 
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bleachdrinker said:
Think it’s spelled Pettersson, and yeah he’ll be making a lot more after we offer sheet him in the offseason.
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No, I think he was referring to the goalie, Cal Petersen, the call up to replace Hart who makes more than Carter, so losing him hurt the cap, even with the league giving relief.
 
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What is the cost you think on Zegras?
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Ducks have needed bigger scoring wingers and defensive D.

If it’s in the cards, I think it’s Foerster + Bonk straight up.

I think Danny is pushing Frost instead.

It’s expensive but it amounts to 2 late firsts on a 90 point upside center.

I think if Danny gets another first, they do it and replace Bonk this draft. IMO.
 
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Chicken N Raffls said:
Going off memory, but I'm pretty sure Meltzer was the genesis of that story, and it wasn't "The scouts wanted Makar" which is what Clarke said. It was simply that there wasn't a concensus. Some wanted a Dman (my money is on Heiskanen) and some favored Patrick.
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And he knows that. He was the first one to post Meltzer's hockeybuzz story....but personal biases an all....
 
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BrindamoursNose said:
I vividly remember someone, not naming names, saying that trade was irrelevant, it was market rate to give up an early 2nd to dump an anchor contract like Ghost, that Ghost can't play defense, etc.

I do remember *that*
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the best part was when Yandle got signed...

"hes better and cheaper"..

LOL.. that hottake aged well
 
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Larry44 said:
No, I think he was referring to the goalie, Cal Petersen, the call up to replace Hart who makes more than Carter, so losing him hurt the cap, even with the league giving relief.
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Not really. Hart + Petersen cost $8.83 million ($3.98 + $5 million - $1.15 million buried in AHL), so when Hart's salary comes off the books, the Flyers' cap hit would be $5 million.
 
I find it very hard to believe there was enough votes in that front office & scouting department for a player like Makar’s draft profile that high in the draft. Right or wrong a lot of those underlyings worked under Homer & even continued to work under Fletcher. Their MO generally taking what they deemed the safer profile right or wrong. They generally don’t/didn’t bet on pure skill, to further it with Makar you had someone who built their draft stock just that year not even playing in the highest Jr. A league in Canada.

Heiskanen I can believe there was more of a debate at that time.
 
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deadhead said:
Remember the reaction to the Provorov trade as details slowly leaked out?

God, it sucks,
ok, it's not that bad,
hey, that's a decent haul,
wow, Briere really pulled it off.

"The devil is in the details."
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Speak for yourself, some of us said the return seemed mid at best when you consider they also took Peterson's cap dump.
 
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