Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid: Flyers Rumors & Media Mentions

[Flyerfan4life]

zegras hahaha

it would be peak Flyers to trade for Zegras and have Torts ruin him just in time for MMs arrival so Torts can do it again

 

[BernieParent]

You can bury about $1.25M this year in the AHL.

Thanks for the more precise figure, dead. I admit laziness in not looking it up.

 

[BiggE]

Guess you all need to hear it again.

The Flyers do not rebuild, they never rebuild.

They will retool, reassess, reconsider, rearrange and reject, but they will not rebuild. Never, not in a million years.

They truly believe that they can win a Stanley Cup with a combination of solid depth and a can do effort. That is why the other “re” this organization often resembles is something that rhymes with bee carded.

 

[bennysflyers16]

Guess you all need to hear it again.

The Flyers do not rebuild, they never rebuild.

They will retool, reassess, reconsider, rearrange and reject, but they will not rebuild. Never, not in a million years.

They truly believe that they can win a Stanley Cup with a combination of solid depth and a can do effort. That is why the other “re” this organization often resembles is something that rhymes with bee carded.

Trade Frost for a 2nd and run it back next year.

Just need to add some low skill try hard guys next summer and then we take a run,

 

[Magua]

1 reporters 2024-2025 top 2 lines prediction

Reinhart is a RW. He's played virtually exclusively with Barkov and Lundell as a Panther. With Konecny and Tippett, it makes no sense for a "rebuilding team" to invest a 7 year UFA contract ($8.5-9MM AAV?) in a 29 year old RW coming off a career year surrounded by star talent the Flyers do not have. The time to acquire Reinhart was when they traded for Ristolainen.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

He’s a pretty good player & has been underrated even going back to his Buffalo days but yeah you don’t want to be the team paying for Reinhart’s contract this offseason. You’re paying at an absolute insane peak.

He’s currently shooting 27.6% on the year which is obviously not repeatable. That’s obviously gonna be noticeably lower when the year ends but it’s still gonna be a high unsustainable mark & he’s ultimately banked a lot of goals to this point. He should still come close to 50 even with a cool off.

He’ll probably going to remain like 60-70 point guy going forward with strong underlying numbers but he is 28 & you’re paying for this season even if it’s an outlier.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Reinhart is a RW. He's played virtually exclusively with Barkov and Lundell as a Panther. With Konecny and Tippett, it makes no sense for a "rebuilding team" to invest a 7 year UFA contract ($8.5-9MM AAV?) in a 29 year old RW coming off a career year surrounded by star talent the Flyers do not have. The time to acquire Reinhart was when they traded for Ristolainen.

Don't be so negative

 

[BernieParent]

I don't believe that there is any way to predict what the Flyers can get in return for any of their supposed tradable assets this month. Laughton is available in a market where there are teams that need a center and a market where, after the two recent trades, there aren't many available. The same goes with Walker and Seeler. Teams in the POs know that there are never enough defensemen once that drive to the Cup begins.
So the trade returns will depend on how the market goes and Briere's ability to play it. JMO but after the Provorov and Gauthier deals, other GMs understand that Briere is not the easy touch that Fletcher was. All in all he did fairly well in those transactions.

Despite Laughton's significant drop-off in play this season, the lack of available centres might push up his trade value enough to get Briere to pull the trigger. Two 2nds? The thing is that Laughton isn't even a full-time C. Maybe Laughton plus Walker @ 50% for a 1st and a decent prospect? To Toronto for Domi (cap), Cowan/Minten and a 1st?

Here's a clip of Dreger and Ferraro talking about Laughton as a trade target:

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[Flyerfan4life]

Trade Frost for a 2nd and run it back next year.

Just need to add some low skill try hard guys next summer and then we take a run,

#rebuild blueprint ^^^^

 

[renberg]

Despite Laughton's significant drop-off in play this season, the lack of available centres might push up his trade value enough to get Briere to pull the trigger. Two 2nds? The thing is that Laughton isn't even a full-time C. Maybe Laughton plus Walker @ 50% for a 1st and a decent prospect? To Toronto for Domi (cap), Cowan/Minten and a 1st?

Here's a clip of Dreger and Ferraro talking about Laughton as a trade target:

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Being below the border, this doesn’t come through to me. If Toronto wants to get the Cup this year, a big move like going for Laughton, Walker and Seeler would be what they’d have to do. Obviously they need help on the back end which Seeler and Walker would provide. Laughton would give them a possible center and some grit in a game; especially on a PK.
I believe that Briere could be creative enough to find a way to make it work. IDK if Toronto has the guts to do it. The Leafs have never grasped what it takes to win this thing. It isn’t the Ice Capades.

 

[deadhead]

I just don't know what Toronto has to offer.
They have a 1st and 3rd this season, only a 3rd next season, 1st and 3rd in 2026.
They do have 3 5ths this season.
Nor is their prospect pool anything exciting:

Wheeler has them ranked 28th
Cowan is their top prospect (Barkey's linemate and partner on the PK)
That's it for top six forwards/top four D-men according to Wheeler

2024 NHL prospect pool rankings: No. 28 Toronto Maple Leafs

After graduating Matthew Knies, Nick Robertson and Joseph Woll and making three picks in the 2023 draft, the Leafs system has taken a hit.

theathletic.com

 

[freakydallas13]

Reinhart is a RW. He's played virtually exclusively with Barkov and Lundell as a Panther. With Konecny and Tippett, it makes no sense for a "rebuilding team" to invest a 7 year UFA contract ($8.5-9MM AAV?) in a 29 year old RW coming off a career year surrounded by star talent the Flyers do not have. The time to acquire Reinhart was when they traded for Ristolainen.

Yeah but then we wouldn't have Ristolianen?!

 

[deadhead]

Flyers don't need overpriced FAs in their late 20s.

What they need is patience, and when Michkov comes over, look to trade picks and prospects for a key player in his early 20s (22-24) like a top 6 center.

With the 2024 and 2025 drafts, when the Flyers are ready to make a move, trading the 2026 or 2027 1st rd pick, a 2nd rd pick and a top ten prospect will not set back the rebuild if you do so for a player in the right age group.

The mistakes teams make over and over is to trade those kind of assets at the TDL for rentals, hoping that new players can be integrated in the team in six weeks and give them a playoff boost.

Use those assets strategically to add quality, use your draft picks to add quantity, and only make TDL trades to add cheap veteran depth as insurance against injury. Don't think going "all in" can guarantee anything, best bet is build for a long-run and hope the Hockey Gods smile upon you.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

He’s a pretty good player & has been underrated even going back to his Buffalo days but yeah you don’t want to be the team paying for Reinhart’s contract this offseason. You’re paying at an absolute insane peak.

He’s currently shooting 27.6% on the year which is obviously not repeatable. That’s obviously gonna be noticeably lower when the year ends but it’s still gonna be a high unsustainable mark & he’s ultimately banked a lot of goals to this point. He should still come close to 50 even with a cool off.

He’ll probably going to remain like 60-70 point guy going forward with strong underlying numbers but he is 28 & you’re paying for this season even if it’s an outlier.

Strong agree!!! This is why if they are using $$ or assets we need to find the Tkachuk, Eichel, someone early to mid 20s. Use a pick or two next year, but get someone who is here for prime Matvei!!!

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

Thanks for the more precise figure, dead. I admit laziness in not looking it up.

 

[FromOyVey2Matvei]

I'm told this was an unsubstantiated rumor from an untrustworthy source that has been debunked.

Honest question: when did Seravalli become the voice of god? Check the Zegras thread on the main board to see what Ducks fans think of him. Or check twitter to see pretty much all of hockey clowning his take on Crosby @ the ASG.

Hockey Woj, this is not.

And he mentioned this mythical return literally once… in the waning minutes of a podcast.

It’s gospel around here though. DB turned down a 1st+2nd+ for Laughton straight up.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Honest question: when did Seravalli become the voice of god? Check the Zegras thread on the main board to see what Ducks fans think of him. Or check twitter to see pretty much all of hockey clowning his take on Crosby @ the ASG.

Hockey Woj, this is not.

And he mentioned this mythical return literally once… in the waning minutes of a podcast.

It’s gospel around here though. DB turned down a 1st+2nd+ for Laughton straight up.

People believe what they want to believe.

There have been multiple reports from different sources, including Bob Clarke who was at the draft table, that the Flyers’ scouts wanted either Heiskanen or Makar over Patrick & that Hextall overruled his scouts to take NP, but on here people claim with confidence that it’s all a lie concocted by Bob Clarke.

Meanwhile, Seravalli says the Flyers turned down a 1st plus maybe a 2nd for Laughton, & that’s accepted as indisputable fact.

Whatever fits the personal agenda.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Flyers don't need overpriced FAs in their late 20s.

What they need is patience, and when Michkov comes over, look to trade picks and prospects for a key player in his early 20s (22-24) like a top 6 center.

With the 2024 and 2025 drafts, when the Flyers are ready to make a move, trading the 2026 or 2027 1st rd pick, a 2nd rd pick and a top ten prospect will not set back the rebuild if you do so for a player in the right age group.

The mistakes teams make over and over is to trade those kind of assets at the TDL for rentals, hoping that new players can be integrated in the team in six weeks and give them a playoff boost.

Use those assets strategically to add quality, use your draft picks to add quantity, and only make TDL trades to add cheap veteran depth as insurance against injury. Don't think going "all in" can guarantee anything, best bet is build for a long-run and hope the Hockey Gods smile upon you.

Why on earth wait until Michkov comes over? Make those moves now so you aren't wasting him and missing on value now.

 

[Curufinwe]

Honest question: when did Seravalli become the voice of god?

When he used to post here I told him to his virtual face that he was a disgrace for making shit up about Mason's injuries.

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

People believe what they want to believe.

There have been multiple reports from different sources, including Bob Clarke who was at the draft table, that the Flyers’ scouts wanted either Heiskanen or Makar over Patrick & that Hextall overruled his scouts to take NP, but on here people claim with confidence that it’s all a lie concocted by Bob Clarke.

Meanwhile, Seravalli says the Flyers turned down a 1st plus maybe a 2nd for Laughton, & that’s accepted as indisputable fact.

Whatever fits the personal agenda.

Going off memory, but I'm pretty sure Meltzer was the genesis of that story, and it wasn't "The scouts wanted Makar" which is what Clarke said. It was simply that there wasn't a concensus. Some wanted a Dman (my money is on Heiskanen) and some favored Patrick.

As for Laughton, that return always seemed nuts, so I'm willing to believe there could have been more to that deal. Regardless, he should have been dealt last year. His value wasn't going to get any higher. That would have gone a long way towards winning back my trust in this "rebuild". But hey, culture!

 

[JojoTheWhale]

If nothing else, the arrogance it takes to try to take some kind of logical high road on not understanding the difference between a reporter detailing a trade offer close to the date and the historical face of the franchise explaining with multiple years of hindsight how they were right all along is impressive.

Going off memory, but I'm pretty sure Meltzer was the genesis of that story, and it wasn't "The scouts wanted Makar" which is what Clarke said. It was simply that there wasn't a concensus. Some wanted a Dman (my money is on Heiskanen) and some favored Patrick.

Thank you for actually reading the story.

When he used to post here I told him to his virtual face that he was a disgrace for making shit up about Mason's injuries.

Yeah, but this is how you treat everyone. That’s not exactly noteworthy.

 

[deadhead]

If nothing else, the arrogance it takes to try to take some kind of logical high road on not understanding the difference between a reporter detailing a trade offer close to the date and the historical face of the franchise explaining with multiple years of hindsight how they were right all along is impressive.

The problem was the lack of details.

 

[FlyTimmo]

It definitely not a ridiculous notion that a team could have offered a 1st+ for Laughton coming off of a career year and on a decent non-rental contract. Plus those intangibles certainly could get some old-school GMs salivating.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

The problem was the lack of details.

I do understand your point of view. I don’t agree, but at least it follows a specific logic and you apply it pretty consistently to trade valuations.

(Except for the cap space part. It just had to happen before Hayes and it worked.)

 

[deadhead]

Remember the reaction to the Provorov trade as details slowly leaked out?

God, it sucks,
ok, it's not that bad,
hey, that's a decent haul,
wow, Briere really pulled it off.

"The devil is in the details."