Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid: Flyers Rumors & Media Mentions

[Larry44]

A good pair for what? Vegas won a cup with Logan Thompson. Rangers won Jack with Lundquist. "Building from the back out" is so 1990s

WTF are you talking about?

 

[GKJ]

A good pair for what? Vegas won a cup with Logan Thompson. Rangers won Jack with Lundquist. "Building from the back out" is so 1990s

Thompson actually didn’t even make it to the playoffs.

 

[DancingPanther]

Thompson actually didn’t even make it to the playoffs.

I think Adin Hill proves the point equally if not even better. A great team and a great system is much more important than a top goalie

You can't fall in love with goalies anymore. In fact, those franchises are the ones that need to be capitalized on. Any smart team with a goalie to spare should jump all over an Oilers team desperate to win with Lonnor McDavsaitl

 

[ajgoal]

This move would waste several years of McDavid and doesn't actually improve the Oilers situation

That's a feature, not a bug.

 

[RANKKA]

RISTO WALKER what ever take em all pleeeeeease

 

[GKJ]

I think Adin Hill proves the point equally if not even better. A great team and a great system is much more important than a top goalie

You can't fall in love with goalies anymore. In fact, those franchises are the ones that need to be capitalized on. Any smart team with a goalie to spare should jump all over an Oilers team desperate to win with Lonnor McDavsaitl

If you’ve got the best defensive unit and elite center play, yes. But look at the numbers they got from Hill and Brossoit too.

 

[BernieParent]

One assumption that is being made is that the Flyers are going to solve the Oilers cap issues. To a degree they can but in the end they might be the ones that need to move guys around to help settle the problem.
While everyone is discussing players such as Walker, Seeler, Broberg, Campbell, Peterson and others, if I were Briere I would focus on Hart being in the deal as well as Walker and demand Bouchard and picks in return. All of these other names don't move the needles much for either club. All that they are a pawns to make the dollars work.

Thanks, renberg. I see Hart as more valuable than what the Oilers could pay for him. Their best asset is their 2024 1st, which will likely depreciate on account of them acquiring Hart. Campbell + 2 2nds for Petersen is a low-level move that won't have much effect on the Flyers because Campbell will be buried with the Phantoms like Petersen is now, but 2 2nds is a good return, IMHO. Broberg is a risk of being a bust, which is why the Oilers seem to be ready to sell low on him, but he fits the mold of a possible hidden gem that was a prominent part of the New Era of Orange rebuild in the offseason. Flipping Seeler for him would be low risk potentially highish reward, but I would want more if Walker were the RHD going the other way since the Flyers would have to retain and/or receive a cap dump as well.

 

[TheNumber4]

You had me at "Deslauriers." But all kidding aside, it feels like a lot of bodies and a lot of moving parts for very little benefit, at least to us. All of us on here would rather have draft capital than young players who have stalled (whether it's Broberg's fault or not). If you could find a way to squeeze Tippet and f***ing Garnet Hathaway alongside Deslauriers, I am all ears. Because I hate those three a little more than I hate all the rest of them.

Thanks for the reply. Wasn’t aware that Tippet had fallen off in the eyes of flyers fans. But as a 24 year old former 1st rounder that put up a good season I thought it’d be too expensive to add to the deal, so I kept him out despite preferring him to Atkinson. Atkinsons contract I thought would be more enticing for you guys to get rid of and a better match cause I’m sending negative value over in Campbell.

With Campbell the Oilers plan B would be to just buy him out, which essentially is 2M of bad cap. So that means the Oilers would then have 3M to spend on the 1B goalie to Skinner’s 1A and be in the same cap situation goalie wise. Not the worst option but not ideal. I would rather spend up on futures and get rid of the whole thing while picking up badish cap players that might be able to help.

So on that note since you mentioned futures as more enticing. If the deal I posted is not too far off, I wonder if I can tip the scales a bit more. How bout I thrown in a 1st 2025 as well?

So…

Ristolainen (5.1M x 4)
Atkinson (5.875M x 2)
Deslaurier (1.75M x 3)
17% Retention on Atkinson to even out the money (1M retained x 2)

For

2025 1st
Broberg (863K)
Campbell (5M x 4)
Ceci (3.1M x 2)
Foegele (2.75M x 1)

Would this work?

 

[TheNumber4]

This move would waste several years of McDavid and doesn't actually improve the Oilers situation, I'd recommend against.

It helps us for this year though in a bunch of areas we are weak. Well except the downgrade from Foegele to Deslaurier. But with Coffey running defence he looks to be wanting more puck movement guys on the back end, I am assuming Risto would be an upgrade on that dept. And we brought in Brown to be a top 6 RW and he simply isn’t producing , so that’s why I targeted Atkinson even though he’s old and expensive, and i figured guys like Tippet wouldn’t make sense to move for the Flyers.

I would add a 1st on top of my proposal to try to seal the deal here… considering all that and the flyers preference for Picks. Would you do the deal as Broberg AND a 1st as the sweeteners?

I'm gonna stop you right there. You can have Hart. In fact, you SHOULD have Hart. You should have had him 2 Thanksgivings ago.

Hart and a cap dump for futures. It's really that simple. Really.

I thought he was untouchable and I would need to throw in Bouchard which is a non starter for the Oilers. But hey if you’re offering we’ll take him.

What would the deal look like on that front you figure?

 

[Rich Nixon]

Thanks for the reply. Wasn’t aware that Tippet had fallen off in the eyes of flyers fans. But as a 24 year old former 1st rounder that put up a good season I thought it’d be too expensive to add to the deal, so I kept him out despite preferring him to Atkinson. Atkinsons contract I thought would be more enticing for you guys to get rid of and a better match cause I’m sending negative value over in Campbell.

With Campbell the Oilers plan B would be to just buy him out, which essentially is 2M of bad cap. So that means the Oilers would then have 3M to spend on the 1B goalie to Skinner’s 1A and be in the same cap situation goalie wise. Not the worst option but not ideal. I would rather spend up on futures and get rid of the whole thing while picking up badish cap players that might be able to help.

So on that note since you mentioned futures as more enticing. If the deal I posted is not too far off, I wonder if I can tip the scales a bit more. How bout I thrown in a 1st 2025 as well?

So…

Ristolainen (5.1M x 4)
Atkinson (5.875M x 2)
Deslaurier (1.75M x 3)
17% Retention on Atkinson to even out the money (1M retained x 2)

For

2025 1st
Broberg (863K)
Campbell (5M x 4)
Ceci (3.1M x 2)
Foegele (2.75M x 1)

Would this work?

this is the embodiment of "garbage in, garbage out" for both sides.

f*** Ceci, make it Bouchard and it's worth thinking about. but I don't think there's a world where the Flyers are paying $10m worth of goalies they have no intention of even playing at the AHL level for years. so, sorry on the goalie dump thing, but the Kings got there first.

 

[TheNumber4]

it seems like you would need to add to dump Cambell and have the money come out equal...
I don't see this as a very good trade, even if it is addition by subtraction.

The deal i offered is cap in cap out. What do you mean?

If it’s at all close my trade proposal, I would add a 1st on top for you guys to try to seal the deal. Any interest there?

 

[GKJ]

Don’t see how Campbell coming here works. Might be different if the rebuild wasn’t off

 

[DancingPanther]

It helps us for this year though in a bunch of areas we are weak. Well except the downgrade from Foegele to Deslaurier. But with Coffey running defence he looks to be wanting more puck movement guys on the back end, I am assuming Risto would be an upgrade on that dept. And we brought in Brown to be a top 6 RW and he simply isn’t producing , so that’s why I targeted Atkinson even though he’s old and expensive, and i figured guys like Tippet wouldn’t make sense to move for the Flyers.

I would add a 1st on top of my proposal to try to seal the deal here… considering all that and the flyers preference for Picks. Would you do the deal as Broberg AND a 1st as the sweeteners?



I thought he was untouchable and I would need to throw in Bouchard which is a non starter for the Oilers. But hey if you’re offering we’ll take him.

What would the deal look like on that front you figure?

Lol no way. In an alternate reality where I was the GM and actually managed this team correctly, l traded him and TK in Nov 2021

 

[TheNumber4]

We can’t take on Campbell’s contract, whereas Risto will be tradeable, as bad as he is. Good ideas but Ersson and Hart are a good pair.

Appreciate the feedback. Yeh it was rumored that Toronto might want Risto. But they would need 50% for anything to happen, like they needed with Zadorov but couldn’t get the Flames to bite.

Yeh I don’t see Campbell as need for you guys definitely, he’s bad cap that I’m trying to send off with futures.

I would add a 1st on top of my previous off to make it more enticing. How does that sound?

 

[FatTugboatFlahr]

I think pretty simply, we could trade those assets, if you can call Deslauriers that, it would return far more value if they were trade separately, without having to take back all those random players.

Also, I’d kill myself if we traded for Campbell.

 

[renberg]

Thanks, renberg. I see Hart as more valuable than what the Oilers could pay for him. Their best asset is their 2024 1st, which will likely depreciate on account of them acquiring Hart. Campbell + 2 2nds for Petersen is a low-level move that won't have much effect on the Flyers because Campbell will be buried with the Phantoms like Petersen is now, but 2 2nds is a good return, IMHO. Broberg is a risk of being a bust, which is why the Oilers seem to be ready to sell low on him, but he fits the mold of a possible hidden gem that was a prominent part of the New Era of Orange rebuild in the offseason. Flipping Seeler for him would be low risk potentially highish reward, but I would want more if Walker were the RHD going the other way since the Flyers would have to retain and/or receive a cap dump as well.

I agree that Hart is a valuable commodity and Edmonton acquiring him would resolve a long standing issue for them that would last for a while. He's also sort of a local guy which would satisfy a lot of fans in the province. If the Oilers and Flyers get serious about trade possibilities, he's the play no matter what the smokescreen will try to hide. He also is a player that the Flyers, with the goalie pipeline that they have can afford to move out for the right price. Briere is going to rightfully want an appropriate return- at least a first rounder and other upper level picks.
What makes the situation interesting is that Edmonton has to clear cap space in order to get that deal done. That probably means dumping Campbell into the trade. His $5M for three years is not chump change. To take on that the Flyers should demand Bouchard; not a possible bust in Broberg, or a not so good player in Ceci. To cover that loss on defense, Edmonton would want a defender in return. The Flyers could offer Seeler but Edmonton would want Walker. Perhaps that's where Ristolainen's name got out there as an offer by Briere. Risto's cap hit helps mitigate the financial difference between the clubs. If the Oilers demand Walker, the price has to go up quite a bit. Whatever. There's a deal to be made here. Unless the Oilers fix their issue in goal and upgrade their defense, they're not going anywhere and wasting another McDavid year.
??? try this: Bouchard, Campbell, Ceci plus picks for Walker, Hart and Ristolainen. Campbell and Risto is almost a cap wash. Peterson is off of the books after next season so that helps tolerate Campbell. Risto is gone.

 

[Beef Invictus]

It helps us for this year though in a bunch of areas we are weak. Well except the downgrade from Foegele to Deslaurier. But with Coffey running defence he looks to be wanting more puck movement guys on the back end, I am assuming Risto would be an upgrade on that dept. And we brought in Brown to be a top 6 RW and he simply isn’t producing , so that’s why I targeted Atkinson even though he’s old and expensive, and i figured guys like Tippet wouldn’t make sense to move for the Flyers.

I would add a 1st on top of my proposal to try to seal the deal here… considering all that and the flyers preference for Picks. Would you do the deal as Broberg AND a 1st as the sweeteners?



I thought he was untouchable and I would need to throw in Bouchard which is a non starter for the Oilers. But hey if you’re offering we’ll take him.

What would the deal look like on that front you figure?

Ristolainen is abysmal at puck movement. You do not want him. Flee him. The best thing he does on any given play is move the puck to his partner so they can do something with it, and even that often goes wrong. He has never played in the playoffs in no small part because he tends to drag his teams down severely when he is in the ice. He was almost average last season, but that's an outlier.

 

[renberg]

Ristolainen is abysmal at puck movement. You do not want him. Flee him. The best thing he does on any given play is move the puck to his partner so they can do something with it, and even that often goes wrong.

Right. That's why a my garbage for your trash deal in taking on Campbell and shedding Risto makes sense. He's never going to be what Fletcher thought he was here. Wipe his slate and get him out of here.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Right. That's why a my garbage for your trash deal in taking on Campbell and shedding Risto makes sense. He's never going to be what Fletcher thought he was here. Wipe his slate and get him out of here.

Oh we absolutely need him gone immediately, but I think other fans should have some warning about what will be inflicted upon them.

 

[TheNumber4]

this is the embodiment of "garbage in, garbage out" for both sides.

f*** Ceci, make it Bouchard and it's worth thinking about. but I don't think there's a world where the Flyers are paying $10m worth of goalies they have no intention of even playing at the AHL level for years. so, sorry on the goalie dump thing, but the Kings got there first.

Yeh you are right, that's mostly what the deal is really. Campbell is bad cap so i figured I'd need to target badish cap in return to have any chance of it being considered. Atkinson at his age and cap is targeted instead of someone more preferable in Tippet. Risto at 5M playing 3rd pair minutes is a risk, but I don't think we can afford a guy like Walker who's underpaid and looks to be taking the next step. Deslaurier is just me trying to get rid of one of your bad contracts. Ceci is only 3.25M though and isn't that overpaid considering he plays Top 4 minutes with lots of time in the top pair as well, he's not a sexy player i know, but he's solid and could be flipped for maybe a 4th at the TDL. Foegele is I think is worth his cap hit too, consistently puts up points on the 3rd line and is finally showing signs he can fill in on the top 6 and has seen minutes next to McDrai this year. I know these aren't the sexiest names but that's why I'm paying up with futures too and targeting what I assumed would be undesirable contracts on the Flyers. I also figured with Atkinson gone, you could play Tippet on his correct side at RW, possibly opening that spot for Foegele to slot in on the LW.

The thing is Bouch is untouchable though. It would be an entirely different deal if he was in play and would be shopped league wide for a bidding war. But really it's a non-starter. The Oilers see Bouch as a piece to entice McDavid around, they see them putting up ridiculous numbers together for a long time and its trending that way. Bouch isn't close to reaching his max value yet, to put it another way theres alot of pumping to be had before dumping.

 

[TheNumber4]

Ristolainen is abysmal at puck movement. You do not want him. Flee him. The best thing he does on any given play is move the puck to his partner so they can do something with it, and even that often goes wrong. He has never played in the playoffs in no small part because he tends to drag his teams down severely when he is in the ice. He was almost average last season, but that's an outlier.

Oh dang. I had it in my mind some of those highlight reels from his pass and figured he's got to provide more offensive skill than Ceci. I haven't seen much of his recent work except for the Pens/Flyers game most recently. I'm really just looking for a slight upgrade on Ceci's puck movement, which is a low bar though. Seeler and Walker are interesting D you guys have too, but they are underpaid and I didn't want to offend by sending cap dumps for good value guys lol so I tried targetting the problem contracts on the flyers.

Lol no way. In an alternate reality where I was the GM and actually managed this team correctly, l traded him and TK in Nov 2021

Lol. Interesting. Konecny too? To my outside view these are good players to keep but maybe if they are moved for futures and you have a preference for full rebuild or something I could see it.

 

[TheNumber4]

Oh we absolutely need him gone immediately, but I think other fans should have some warning about what will be inflicted upon them.

I appreciate the warning lol. But I know I have to give to get and I'm trying to off load Campbell so I'm okay with risk coming back if that greases the wheels om the deal.

 

[renberg]

Yeh you are right, that's mostly what the deal is really. Campbell is bad cap so i figured I'd need to target badish cap in return to have any chance of it being considered. Atkinson at his age and cap is targeted instead of someone more preferable in Tippet. Risto at 5M playing 3rd pair minutes is a risk, but I don't think we can afford a guy like Walker who's underpaid and looks to be taking the next step. Deslaurier is just me trying to get rid of one of your bad contracts. Ceci is only 3.25M though and isn't that overpaid considering he plays Top 4 minutes with lots of time in the top pair as well, he's not a sexy player i know, but he's solid and could be flipped for maybe a 4th at the TDL. Foegele is I think is worth his cap hit too, consistently puts up points on the 3rd line and is finally showing signs he can fill in on the top 6 and has seen minutes next to McDrai this year. I know these aren't the sexiest names but that's why I'm paying up with futures too and targeting what I assumed would be undesirable contracts on the Flyers. I also figured with Atkinson gone, you could play Tippet on his correct side at RW, possibly opening that spot for Foegele to slot in on the LW.

The thing is Bouch is untouchable though. It would be an entirely different deal if he was in play and would be shopped league wide for a bidding war. But really it's a non-starter. The Oilers see Bouch as a piece to entice McDavid around, they see them putting up ridiculous numbers together for a long time and its trending that way. Bouch isn't close to reaching his max value yet, to put it another way theres alot of pumping to be had before dumping.

No Bouchard; no Hart. Have a nice time golfing in April.

 

[TheNumber4]

No Bouchard; no Hart. Have a nice time golfing in April.

Yeh unfortunately not a deal the Oilers would entertain. Hart has super high potential to be an elite goalie for many years though, but hes not a sure bet. Bouch i'm so sold on, I could see him being a lock in the top 3 for defenceman scoring only surpassed by Makar and Hughes. And there's really no worry about missing playoffs in Edmonton, I don't think any fan is worried any more as our roster sits today. The coaching change solved ALOT of issues.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I appreciate the warning lol. But I know I have to give to get and I'm trying to off load Campbell so I'm okay with risk coming back if that greases the wheels om the deal.

The guys you really want are definitely Walker or Seeler, but whether you have the means to afford them is the question.

We have many solutions for you but it's hard to make things actually work for both teams.