Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid: Flyers Rumors & Media Mentions

[Flyerfan4life]

This is why player reputation matters as much as actual on-ice performance.

Sure, this is Marek just speculating, but I don't doubt for a second that some GMs could have this mentality. Hart has been a highly touted prospect, has indirect "ties" to Carey Price through BS like in this tweet, and is likely the heir apparent to be Team Canada's goalie of the future. There is no doubt that some GMs get overexcited by the "resume" I just listed and thus overvalue him.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Briere has a chance to seriously rip someone off here. He just needs to find that sucker.

chuck Fletcher isnt working yet..

 

[GKJ]

Charlie on the BSH podcast seems to think that the Hart stuff yesterday in part was basically ‘third party people’ testing their clout. He says ‘people in the know’ believe Hart will be traded this off-season so when some of them saw Petersen as part of the trade whether it was the reporting or the sources basically just guessed wrong instead without doing their due diligence. People desperate to be first.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Charlie on the BSH podcast seems to think that the Hart stuff yesterday in part was basically ‘third party people’ testing their clout. He says ‘people in the know’ believe Hart will be traded this off-season so when some of them saw Petersen as part of the trade whether it was the reporting or the sources basically just guessed wrong instead without doing their due diligence. People desperate to be first.

Sounds about right. It was pretty embarrassing to see first hand. Everyone trying to put their hand in the cookie jar for that ability to say they were first.

98% of Flyers insiders just throw random shit at the wall and if it hits they act like they have sources. The other times? They either delete it or ignore it.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Sounds about right. It was pretty embarrassing to see first hand. Everyone trying to put their hand in the cookie jar for that ability to say they were first.

98% of Flyers insiders just throw random shit at the wall and if it hits they act like they have sources. The other times? They either delete it or ignore it.

Friedman said on his podcast today he had sources leading him in both directions yesterday in regards to Hart. Some saying a deal was close & others saying it wasn’t. That’s why he didn’t really jump into the fray yesterday with it.

 

[Redpath]

Charlie on the BSH podcast seems to think that the Hart stuff yesterday in part was basically ‘third party people’ testing their clout. He says ‘people in the know’ believe Hart will be traded this off-season so when some of them saw Petersen as part of the trade whether it was the reporting or the sources basically just guessed wrong instead without doing their due diligence. People desperate to be first.

Charlie's guess seems to go directly against what a more prominent Friedman said today, in that some of his sources thought things were getting hot with Hart, too.

 

[GKJ]

Sounds about right. It was pretty embarrassing to see first hand. Everyone trying to put their hand in the cookie jar for that ability to say they were first.

98% of Flyers insiders just throw random shit at the wall and if it hits they act like they have sources. The other times? They either delete it or ignore it.

Yeah, so the times they may actually be first, you don’t get credit because people know you do guess. And all those guys, at the risk of being used, need to be first because that’s how you gain clout.

I don’t know who actually was first, it seems the arrow is at TFP, because they went after all of it.

 

[GKJ]

Charlie's guess seems to go directly against what a more prominent Friedman said today, in that some of his sources thought things were getting hot with Hart, too.

Friedman also does not like to dispute others reporting, and to his credit, he ate it when JVR wasn’t traded. A few weeks ago, he mentioned one time last season that he felt really bad for doing it and the other reporter came at him privately. By the way, I think I know what that was, because it involved the Flyers.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I wouldn't mind seeing Hart in Toronto, but I'm not sure what the hoped-for return would be. They have pick 28 (Boston) this year and then their own first next year, but after that it's kind of barren. 5th and 6th rounders this year, next year they have the most capital with the Isles' third, a fourth, two fifths, sixth, and seventh. in 25 they have an extra fifth but no 1, 2, or 4. No second rounders in the next three years.

We'd have to take a player and make them into picks. A concept impossible under the lazy-ass Fletcher. Fortunately it appears Briere is willing to do some work.

 

[trostol]

i think you have to almost move TK for a haul this offseason...otherwise you risk him have a poor poor year or getting hurt

 

[Redpath]

Friedman also does not like to dispute others reporting, and to his credit, he ate it when JVR wasn’t traded. A few weeks ago, he mentioned one time last season that he felt really bad for doing it and the other reporter came at him privately. By the way, I think I know what that was, because it involved the Flyers.

But Friedman didn't seem to be avoiding disputing DiMarco/TFP's reporting. Some of his sources even confirmed what DiMarco/TFP reported.

I think Charlie is just trying to sound smart by thinking he’s above "prematurely" getting into the fray.

 

[Kelmitchell2]

They have some RFAs (York, Frost) due raises. So they could get close to the cap.
Depends on the deals, Hayes may require retention and/or taking contracts back to get value, TDA might require retention, if not a buyout.
Just reduces their flexibility a bit this season, they'll have more at the TDL and a lot more next season.

Buying out tda makes zero sense though, no need to carry an additional cap hit next year, when we could stuff him in the press box and be free of his contract after the season if we can't trade him even if we retain 50%

 

[GKJ]

But Friedman didn't seem to be avoiding disputing DiMarco/TFP's reporting. Some of his sources even confirmed what DiMarco/TFP reported.

I think Charlie is just trying to sound smart by thinking he’s above "prematurely" getting into the fray.

It had already been killed, so that’s not what was going on, the trade obviously didn’t happen. That’s not the same as using your podcast to say someone is not right with their information, which is what I was referring to.

I know people read here so I don’t want to get radio’ed into what specifically the thing was because even though he (and I) know the other reporter is a not phony, the bottom line there was Friedman was right and the other reporter wasn’t trying to frame it as hard reporting, but still said something that probably should not have been said out loud, especially given it was wrong.

 

[deadhead]

I think the need to be first can cause some "reporters" to run with a rumor built on a grain of sand.

I'm sure the Flyers talked about Hart to people, but teams this time of year talk about a lot of players, but it rarely gets past the "would you be interested?" stage - it only really matters when they get down to the nitty gritty of negotiation.

 

[saophim]

Liljegren would be fine, but not sure we need him with Zamola and Grans now on RD in the system.
Bos 2023.1 + Robertson + Liljegren i would accept if i was Danny. Might squeeze one mid-rounder 2024 from them as a bonus.

 

[saophim]

Treliving is no fool to expect Samsonov will bring them SC glory.
And Woll had just 10 games in NHL and few in playoffs, when he was OK. Too early to consider him an ace.
Sabres do not make sense. Habs would have to overpay.

 

[DancingPanther]

These guys are all hacks

 

[Hextallent63]

Atkinson will play, once they figured out what was wrong, the actual surgery was fairly routine.
And he's had almost a year to rehab after surgery.
Problem is he's unmovable until he plays and shows he's 100%.

The guy to watch is Walker, had an ACL tear in 2021-22, struggled a bit last year but was still a decent 3rd pair D-man, two years removed may bounce back a bit and position himself as a prime asset at the TDL.

I mean, does walker have a spot on the third pairing? i havent watched him enough to have a clue. considering our 3rd pairings for a while, is he worth more getting late picks for him, or just slotting him in on the third pairing?

 

[666Domino]

Wonder if the looming 2018 Junior allegations are playing a role in shopping Hart, we will supposedly hear the NHL's report on it after the playoffs.

How does this factor in? Chicago covered up a sexual scandal for years and was just handed the #1OA literally doesn't mean anything in this league, I'm willing to bet no GM in the league is concerned at all about allegations, not mad at you just stating how messed up this league is with certain things

 

[Hextallent63]

Samsonov, Woll give Maple Leafs bright outlook in goal, no Hart required

Amid speculation the Maple Leafs might have interest in Flyers goalie Carter Hart, remember they have two capable men in the crease now.

torontosun.com

The Maple Leafs don’t need to trade for goaltender Carter Hart.

In Ilya Samsonov, the Leafs have a goalie who remains on an upward trajectory after getting his netminding house in order this past season.

In Joseph Woll, the Leafs have a goalie who has made it clear he is ready for a full-time job in the National Hockey League, whether that’s as a backup or in a tandem role.

The Philadelphia Flyers, under rookie general manager Daniel Briere, are in rebuild mode, kicking off their new era with the trading of defenceman Ivan Provorov to Columbus in a three-team deal on Tuesday.

Hart could be next to leave Philly, and there’s going to be plenty of interest in a goalie who will turn 25 this summer but already has five seasons in the NHL on his resume. The thinking is Brad Treliving made a call on Hart, which should not be a surprise nor lead anyone to believe that the new Leafs GM is on the cusp of making a trade with Briere.

As he settles into his role with Toronto, Treliving naturally will want to put feelers out with his colleagues across the NHL. One would expect as much.

If the Leafs were to trade for Hart, presumably that would involve giving up at least a first-round pick. The Leafs have some restocking of the farm system to do themselves — Kyle Dubas didn’t leave an organization rich in prospects — and as it is already don’t have a first-round pick in 2025, traded with conditions to Chicago in the deal that brought Jake McCabe and Sam Lafferty to Toronto in February.

Furthermore, trading Matthew Knies when the young winger has proven he will be an everyday player next season, with a bright future no less, would be foolish.

The Leafs would have no guarantee that Hart, who is under contract for one more year with a $3.9-million cap hit before becoming a restricted free agent, would be any better than what they have now in Samsonov. The latter was one of the top goalies in the NHL in 2022-23, posting a .919 save percentage, good for seventh overall. Hart, admittedly playing on a poor Flyers team, had a .907 save percentage, putting him at 24th in that category.

There’s something else to consider. Hart was part of the 2018 Canadian junior team that awaits the report of the investigation of the alleged group sexual assault involving players on that team. Hockey Canada barred players from that team from playing for Canada the world championship this past spring in Latvia.

Until the report is released, teams might not want to trade for players who were on that Canadian junior team, no matter who it is.

this is another example of why the leafs are the leafs. woll hasnt proven anything and samsonovs value is extremely inflated by who ever wrote this article.

 

[Hextallent63]

Liljegren would be fine, but not sure we need him with Zamola and Grans now on RD in the system.
Bos 2023.1 + Robertson + Liljegren i would accept if i was Danny. Might squeeze one mid-rounder 2024 from them as a bonus.

TK would fit in nicely in boston.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

i think you have to almost move TK for a haul this offseason...otherwise you risk him have a poor poor year or getting hurt

They definitely should be listening but at the same time, there is no rush. Yes he could get hurt, but he also could see his value increase either due to other teams desperation if they have injuries or if he just lights it up. Definitely listen, even shop him around, but right now for a player like the Neck, you make someone overpay. If no one overpays, then you revisit at the deadline, then next offseason, etc.

 

[GKJ]

Samsonov needing a new contract, getting a raise, and being arbitration eligible is probably a driving force. With Hart they would have control.

As far as the allegations, obviously that stuff is real, but with all the smoke, it seems that teams either aren’t concerned (which would be wrong), or seem to have reason that he is in the clear (which none of us can know).

As far as his value, I think there are 2 reasonable basis for his market value.

- in 2013, Cory Schneider was traded for the 9th overall pick

- whatever he gets in an offer sheet

 

[VladDrag]

It would be a quantity haul. It's not great if you're looking for a real gem asset. That said, if Nick Robertson gets thrown in as a cherry-on-top piece, it gets more interesting. He's had surgeries and struggles staying healthy. None of us are soothsayers predicting future injuries, but the talent is there.

I want it to be known that I loved Nick Robertson for a long time and hope he gets over his injury history.

He's lost so much development time - he's played like 70 games over the last three years. I would still take him as part of the deal if Hart went to Toronto.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

If TK is on the move, maybe Buffalo might be a good trading partner? They were close to a PO spot last year and have a lot of young guys, adding a prime TK to their lineup may push them over the edge. Maybe a package with Hart for a mega-deal? No idea in terms of value but what if:

To BUF:
TK
Hart

To PHL
Savoie
PHL 2nd
2024 2nd
RFA Rights to Tyson Jost
Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen

Too much? Not enough?

 

[Columbus Hockey Dad]

If TK is on the move, maybe Buffalo might be a good trading partner? They were close to a PO spot last year and have a lot of young guys, adding a prime TK to their lineup may push them over the edge. Maybe a package with Hart for a mega-deal? No idea in terms of value but what if:

To BUF:
TK
Hart

To PHL
Savoie
PHL 2nd
2024 2nd
RFA Rights to Tyson Jost
Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen

Too much? Not enough?

I'm not trading Hart, or particularly TK, without getting back a 2023 1st rounder in the deal. That would be a red line for me.