Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid: Flyers Rumors & Media Mentions

[Magua]

One problem is Flyers only have $6.8M in cap room right now.

Why is that a problem? They’re not net losing any cap space in these scenarios.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

I am both hoping for and wishing against them taking Michkov. He seems like he'd be the perfect scenario but the Russia thing and the contract just worries me. It's the kind of thing where if he goes elsewhere he'll be a star, if he goes here the Flyers will get f***ed somehow.

 

[deadhead]

Why is that a problem? They’re not net losing any cap space in these scenarios.

They have some RFAs (York, Frost) due raises. So they could get close to the cap.
Depends on the deals, Hayes may require retention and/or taking contracts back to get value, TDA might require retention, if not a buyout.
Just reduces their flexibility a bit this season, they'll have more at the TDL and a lot more next season.

 

[chadateit]

I absolutely think that getting LA to retain on Provorov has to do with the Flyers preparing to retain on two other players, Hayes and one other. DeAngelo makes sense since they want him gone and he's overpaid. How about Atkinson? Surprised his name hasn't come up.

I was actually coming on here to post the same. This part of the trade is being largely overlooked. I think it's one of the key aspects. We're taking a salary dump from LA. The only reason to lessen the return and have them retain is because Briere expects to need those retention slots. Hayes is a no brainer, but the other retention could go almost anywhere (atkinson at the deadline is a good guess, if he can stay healthy, and return to form)

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[wankstifier]

High ceiling Hart

 

[ajgoal]

I wouldn't mind seeing Hart in Toronto, but I'm not sure what the hoped-for return would be. They have pick 28 (Boston) this year and then their own first next year, but after that it's kind of barren. 5th and 6th rounders this year, next year they have the most capital with the Isles' third, a fourth, two fifths, sixth, and seventh. in 25 they have an extra fifth but no 1, 2, or 4. No second rounders in the next three years.

 

[LegionOfGloom]

Gotta love Buffalo fans talking them into a frenzy because of what Levi did as a 21 year old goaltender in college while talking down about Hart's stats as a 21 year old NHL goaltender.

 

[GKJ]

The Leafs would have to involve players on their contract list. 1st, Liljegren, another prospect to start.

 

[Curufinwe]

I wouldn’t trade for Hart if I was Buffalo.

 

[Magua]

I wouldn't mind seeing Hart in Toronto, but I'm not sure what the hoped-for return would be. They have pick 28 (Boston) this year and then their own first next year, but after that it's kind of barren. 5th and 6th rounders this year, next year they have the most capital with the Isles' third, a fourth, two fifths, sixth, and seventh. in 25 they have an extra fifth but no 1, 2, or 4. No second rounders in the next three years.

It would be a quantity haul. It's not great if you're looking for a real gem asset. That said, if Nick Robertson gets thrown in as a cherry-on-top piece, it gets more interesting. He's had surgeries and struggles staying healthy. None of us are soothsayers predicting future injuries, but the talent is there.

 

[Redpath]

Well, this inevitable Dubois/Montreal deal should deplete Montreal's assets for a hypothetical Hart trade

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Buffalo’s become pretty analytically inclined in recent years under Kevyn Adams’ tenure as GM. So not really sure they’d be a team that would invest a lot into goaltending. They rolled with a pretty cheap trio of goalies this past year.

I’d imagine the Flyers would want #13 overall plus for Hart & I’d imagine Buffalo might just find a cheaper veteran option to pair up with Levi.

 

[Sombastate]

Really rough to see exactly how far Chuck set us back.

We have Hayes, Fisto, Deslauriers until Jesus comes back an additional time with Moses and Hercules.

That's a tough position to be in if you're Danny

 

[Rebels57]

It would be a quantity haul. It's not great if you're looking for a real gem asset. That said, if Nick Robertson gets thrown in as a cherry-on-top piece, it gets more interesting. He's had surgeries and struggles staying healthy. None of us are soothsayers predicting future injuries, but the talent is there.

What about Knies?

Really rough to see exactly how far Chuck set us back.

We have Hayes, Fisto, Deslauriers until Jesus comes back an additional time with Moses and Hercules.

That's a tough position to be in if you're Danny

Hayes is gone this summer. Just a matter of how much we retain and if we get anything of value other than cap space in return.

 

[Sombastate]

What about Knies?



Hayes is gone this summer. Just a matter of how much we retain and if we get anything of value other than cap space in return.

Yeah, I think he's likely gone, but it just sucks that we're in that position at all.

hayes I can stomach more than Fisto and the knuckle dragger.

 

[deadhead]

Really rough to see exactly how far Chuck set us back.

We have Hayes, Fisto, Deslauriers until Jesus comes back an additional time with Moses and Hercules.

That's a tough position to be in if you're Danny

Briere is actually in a better position than Hextall in 2014.

Right now he has 7 1sts, 6 2nd rd picks his first five years, and he's not even close to exhausting his tradeable assets (8 & 6 for Hextall after the Schenn trade).
He also has inherited Frost (24), Tippett (24), Cates (24), Gauthier (19), Brink (22), Desnoyers (21), Kaplan (19), York (21), Andrae (21), Attard (24), Zamula (23), Ersson (23), Fedotov (27), Kosolov (22) and added Grans (21).
He has valuable trade assets in TK, Hart and Laughton.

Sanheim and Risto are the only contracts with real term.
Hayes is almost certainly gone, TDA is probably gone, Atkinson in 2yrs, Deslauriers gone next summer.
In three years, all those people you hate will be history.

Couts is a special category, if he's close to 100%, his contract is fine for the veteran centerpiece of a rebuild.

The biggest edge Briere has is the FO has committed to a long-term rebuild, so no pressure to make the playoffs or waste assets on short-term fixes.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Buffalo’s become pretty analytically inclined in recent years under Kevyn Adams’ tenure as GM. So not really sure they’d be a team that would invest a lot into goaltending. They rolled with a pretty cheap trio of goalies this past year.

I’d imagine the Flyers would want #13 overall plus for Hart & I’d imagine Buffalo might just find a cheaper veteran option to pair up with Levi.

Sam Ventura seems to have quite a bit of pull in their front office structure. If that keeps up, I think the days of assuming the Sabres are incompetent should be paused.

 

[Magua]

What about Knies?

I don’t think they have any interest in moving him.

 

[ajgoal]

It would be a quantity haul. It's not great if you're looking for a real gem asset. That said, if Nick Robertson gets thrown in as a cherry-on-top piece, it gets more interesting. He's had surgeries and struggles staying healthy. None of us are soothsayers predicting future injuries, but the talent is there.

I do wonder how Toronto would value a goalie. I'd guess that they would have been willing to part with less under Dubas than they might now under Treliving.

But I am also not sure that I expect much, if anything, beyond what they got for Provorov sans the cap dumps.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Essentially LeBrun says from talking to people around the league there will be legitimate offers made for Konecny to where the Flyers will have to really consider potentially trading him.

 

[hockeywiz542]

Samsonov, Woll give Maple Leafs bright outlook in goal, no Hart required

Amid speculation the Maple Leafs might have interest in Flyers goalie Carter Hart, remember they have two capable men in the crease now.

torontosun.com

The Maple Leafs don’t need to trade for goaltender Carter Hart.

In Ilya Samsonov, the Leafs have a goalie who remains on an upward trajectory after getting his netminding house in order this past season.

In Joseph Woll, the Leafs have a goalie who has made it clear he is ready for a full-time job in the National Hockey League, whether that’s as a backup or in a tandem role.

The Philadelphia Flyers, under rookie general manager Daniel Briere, are in rebuild mode, kicking off their new era with the trading of defenceman Ivan Provorov to Columbus in a three-team deal on Tuesday.

Hart could be next to leave Philly, and there’s going to be plenty of interest in a goalie who will turn 25 this summer but already has five seasons in the NHL on his resume. The thinking is Brad Treliving made a call on Hart, which should not be a surprise nor lead anyone to believe that the new Leafs GM is on the cusp of making a trade with Briere.

As he settles into his role with Toronto, Treliving naturally will want to put feelers out with his colleagues across the NHL. One would expect as much.

If the Leafs were to trade for Hart, presumably that would involve giving up at least a first-round pick. The Leafs have some restocking of the farm system to do themselves — Kyle Dubas didn’t leave an organization rich in prospects — and as it is already don’t have a first-round pick in 2025, traded with conditions to Chicago in the deal that brought Jake McCabe and Sam Lafferty to Toronto in February.

Furthermore, trading Matthew Knies when the young winger has proven he will be an everyday player next season, with a bright future no less, would be foolish.

The Leafs would have no guarantee that Hart, who is under contract for one more year with a $3.9-million cap hit before becoming a restricted free agent, would be any better than what they have now in Samsonov. The latter was one of the top goalies in the NHL in 2022-23, posting a .919 save percentage, good for seventh overall. Hart, admittedly playing on a poor Flyers team, had a .907 save percentage, putting him at 24th in that category.

There’s something else to consider. Hart was part of the 2018 Canadian junior team that awaits the report of the investigation of the alleged group sexual assault involving players on that team. Hockey Canada barred players from that team from playing for Canada the world championship this past spring in Latvia.

Until the report is released, teams might not want to trade for players who were on that Canadian junior team, no matter who it is.

 

[GKJ]

Well, this inevitable Dubois/Montreal deal should deplete Montreal's assets for a hypothetical Hart trade

Sounds like the Habs are going to wait for him to hit UFA.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

He had a billion miles on him by the time things started going.

Fleury is an ageless wonder, especially with his style. There is a point where I begin weighing competent longevity as worthy of the HOF, and Fleury has gotten there for me. It's an incredible feat all on its own for him to have remained good for so long. If he wants to he could be an OK 1B next season.

IMO Fleury is a sure fire HoF’er. He was the only Penguin I couldn’t hate. I would have scoffed at the idea of him being in the HoF 5-10 years ago but not sure how they can keep him out now. He’s arguably done more than Lundquist, Price, and Luongo

 

[Columbus Hockey Dad]

Essentially LeBrun says from talking to people around the league there will be legitimate offers made for Konecny to where the Flyers will have to really consider potentially trading him.

I know they really don’t want to trade TK, but you have to do it if you get a haul. He’s 26 and his value may never get higher.