Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid: Flyers Rumors & Media Mentions

[renberg]

What would it take in order to get Anaheim to move off of #2?

 

[saophim]

Yes

No offense to any fellow Canadians here, but that thread is like a competition between fans of canadian teams who is more r3tard3d

 

[Beef Invictus]

What would it take in order to get Anaheim to move off of #2?

Probably replacing all the air in their office with nitrous.

 

[Adam Warlock]

I dont see how he moves into the top 4. Only way I could see it is if Montreal is so high on hart they trade 5oa and then he can package 5 and 7 and maybe move up to 2?

5 would guarentee you smith or mishkov tho...is fantilli worth more than one of those guys plus who you take at 7?

 

[Beef Invictus]

I dont see how he moves into the top 4. Only way I could see it is if Montreal is so high on hart they trade 5oa and then he can package 5 and 7 and maybe move up to 2?

5 would guarentee you smith or mishkov tho...is fantilli worth more than one of those guys plus who you take at 7?

I take the bulk, probably.

 

[renberg]

I take the bulk, probably.

If Hart gets the Flyers to 5 and 5+7 gets Fantilli, I'd do it.

 

[ponder719]

What would it take in order to get Anaheim to move off of #2?

Copious quantities of LSD and some light blackmail?

 

[deadhead]

If Hart gets the Flyers to 5 and 5+7 gets Fantilli, I'd do it.

I doubt there's anyway you can get to #2. And I don't think that's the goal.
They're in asset accumulation mode, and Briere is not trying to do it all in one off-season.

 

[Columbus Hockey Dad]

Does Hart, Konecny and #7 get you to #2?

 

[renberg]

I doubt there's anyway you can get to #2. And I don't think that's the goal.
They're in asset accumulation mode, and Briere is not trying to do it all in one off-season.

Getting Fantilli would give the club a face to seek to the fans. He'd be a heck of an asset in many ways.
DB said that he wanted to do something big. Getting Fantilli would do that. It would be a Lindros lite deal but it would bring a young major star to town. He's not Bedard but if Bedard wasn't in this draft, he'd be the top pick.

 

[Columbus Hockey Dad]

Getting Fantilli would give the club a face to seek to the fans. He'd be a heck of an asset in many ways.
DB said that he wanted to do something big. Getting Fantilli would do that. It would be a Lindros lite deal but it would bring a young major star to town. He's not Bedard but if Bedard wasn't in this draft, he'd be the top pick.

He's also more of a "prototype Flyer." He's bigger, sometimes hits, and he's a good looking young kid....all of which would be huge for the Flyers marketing team.

 

[Rebels57]

If you have built your team well, a consistently reliable goalie is all you need. You don't need a guy stealing games. That's of value to many teams out there. There are already concerns about his durability, too. He's quite possibly a guy who wears down around 30. This team won't be ready by then.

Maximize value now.

Adin f***ing Hill is about to win Vegas a Cup.

He's 26 years old with only 101 regular season starts to his name.

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Goalies are pure voodoo and the Flyers shouldn't be concerned with having a great one until it's time to transition from rebuilding to contending.

If this is true, it is for one of two reasons you'd think.

1. There is too much uncertainty after the top 5 in this draft and he wants a sure thing.

2. He has someone specific in mind, which is maybe more likely. I could see that person being Will Smith. I could see it NOT being Michkov (which includes reason 1 above).

If the Flyers trade into the Top 4, there is only one certainty. The 7th overall pick and 22nd overall pick, both presumably involved, will end up being excellent players with one of them having a better career than whoever the Flyers draft in the Top 4. This is how it goes.

 

[DAVIDE1333]

Does Hart, Konecny and #7 get you to #2?

Does Koneckny, #7, and #22 get you #4? (Will Smith or Leo Carlson)

Or if Michov goes in the top 4 does Hart, #7, and #22 get you #5 from Montreal? That would also get you Smith or Carlson.

 

[Columbus Hockey Dad]

Does Koneckny, #7, and #22 get you #4? (Will Smith or Leo Carlson)

I think I'd only consider that if it's for Carlsson and he's still there...

 

[iceman42]

Does Koneckny, #7, and #22 get you #4? (Will Smith or Leo Carlson)

Or if Michov goes in the top 4 does Hart, #7, and #22 get you #5 from Montreal? That would also get you Smith or Carlson.

Im not sure that is worth it, if that was to get to #2 I'd be fine with it. After Fantilli there's a drop-off, IMO. So there should be 3 tiers in the top 5. Bedard (tier 1), Fantilli, Michcov (tier 2), Carlsson, Smith (tier 3).

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

What would it take in order to get Anaheim to move off of #2?

#1?

 

[FLYguy3911]

You guys are delusional.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

Does Hart, Konecny and #7 get you to #2?

Probably not. In terms of actual value it is probably an overpayment by the Flyers, but in the real world the Ducks have no need for Konecny who is 26 and only has two more years left on his contract which means they would either trade him or sign him to what would probably be his last big contract (or I suppose let him walk). Similarly, they have Gibson who is a good goalie and is locked up long term with a big hit. Think of it this way, if the Flyers were offered #12, a good (not great) 26 year old with two years left until UFA, and a young good (not great goalie) for #7 I don't think I would take it because the goalie and the 26 year old who will likely be looking for a big contract in two years don't serve much purpose.

 

[Cody Webster]

Does Koneckny, #7, and #22 get you #4? (Will Smith or Leo Carlson)

Or if Michov goes in the top 4 does Hart, #7, and #22 get you #5 from Montreal? That would also get you Smith or Carlson.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Adin f***ing Hill is about to win Vegas a Cup.

He's 26 years old with only 101 regular season starts to his name.

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Goalies are pure voodoo and the Flyers shouldn't be concerned with having a great one until it's time to transition from rebuilding to contending.



If the Flyers trade into the Top 4, there is only one certainty. The 7th overall pick and 22nd overall pick, both presumably involved, will end up being excellent players with one of them having a better career than whoever the Flyers draft in the Top 4. This is how it goes.

I've been saying this since 2008: build a team strong enough and you do not need a god-tier goalie, you only need one who won't blow it. And considering how cap-inefficient goalies can be on top of being voodoo, Ive hated the idea of putting too much cap in net and then hoping he isn't a weak leak while the rest of the team is a player or two weaker.

Elite goalies can steal some series and even get you to the Finals, but how often do they end up winning? The better overall team wins out. Even Hasek couldn't do it. And for normal humans, they can't maintain that level of play for a while run.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Adin f***ing Hill is about to win Vegas a Cup.

He's 26 years old with only 101 regular season starts to his name.

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Goalies are pure voodoo and the Flyers shouldn't be concerned with having a great one until it's time to transition from rebuilding to contending.



If the Flyers trade into the Top 4, there is only one certainty. The 7th overall pick and 22nd overall pick, both presumably involved, will end up being excellent players with one of them having a better career than whoever the Flyers draft in the Top 4. This is how it goes.

100% this ^^^

 

[WIP CALLER]

To get up to 2, it would probably take like 7, 22, Gauthier, and more... basically a complete overpay where even if you get Fantilli at 2, what are you going to have left to build around him? The Ducks just aren't going to shop that pick nor do I think the Flyers should pursue that route.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I get that this is just discussion and wishful thinking, but it's not realistic to hold out hope for moving up to 4 or 2.

The last time a known top 4 pick was traded was 2004. There wasn't even a cap yet.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

To get up to 2, it would probably take like 7, 22, Gauthier, and more... basically a complete overpay where even if you get Fantilli at 2, what are you going to have left to build around him? The Ducks just aren't going to shop that pick nor do I think the Flyers should pursue that route.

A top tier team could be an a situation to overpay by giving up youth and picks if they have it to jump-start a rebuild depending on what kind of picks and prospects are part of the deal (although still incredibly unlikely). Virtually nothing the Flyers could offer that wouldn't be an extreme overpayment by the Flyers, and thus not worth it for the Flyers, would entice them to move back. Our good players and prospects really aren't that good or are older or oft-injured. Hart is the only real deal big time piece I think they can and will move and for the Ducks that doesn't really do much because they have a ten thousand year deal with Gibson. Unless someone unexpected falls to #5 or something, they should not move up. Depending on who is there moving back would be optimal.

 

[GKJ]

Friedman on 32 Thoughts says that the stuff on Carter Hart is all over the place, whether it’s close or not, which would line up with what we heard yesterday. “Very very different feedback.” And he thinks there’s teams we haven’t thought about involved. That may be a function of how robust the market it. Seems to have a focus on Toronto, because Treliving’s MO is that he’s in on everything. But has also had denials. Montreal mentioned too.

Only player not on the table is Cutter Gauthier. Everyone else is fair game.