Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid: Flyers Rumors & Media Mentions
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Philly Fanatik
"They're going home!"
Well…How about trading Torts for his Dad ?
Beef Invictus
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They may actually be rebuilding, but let's wait a minute and see if it's gonna be the right way lol
I mean he probably isn't wrong ultimately. I have to imagine Hart would be a "you have to overpay to get him" situation.
That and 95% of NHL trade value is just reputation and name recognition anyway.
renberg
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DB went on record as saying that he was in on a rebuild but was not going to burn it down. This is a rebuild move. Right now, he needs to be taken at his word. Let’s see if he can ditch Hart and Hayes and then look at the return. If it resembles what he got in these deals, he will have done well. All of which begs the question of how incompetent was Chuck Fletcher? Looking pretty bad for him.
TheKingPin
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What’s a realistic return for Hart? Would Edm need us to retain or is there someone they could dump back?
deadhead
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- Feb 26, 2014
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Edmonton would probably want us to take Campbell back in a trade, 4yr/$5M a year, but I think that would be too rich.
Maybe Skinner at 3yr/$2.6M, though they may just go with him, had a good regular season, .914 Sv% before a PO meltdown.
Skinner, 2023 2nd, 2024 1st for Hart and 2023 4th?
Maybe Skinner at 3yr/$2.6M, though they may just go with him, had a good regular season, .914 Sv% before a PO meltdown.
Skinner, 2023 2nd, 2024 1st for Hart and 2023 4th?
Deadpool8812
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"Ditch Hart"...?
You don't ditch a player like Hart. You only trade him if the return is great
TheKingPin
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GKJ
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With the Flyers taking on Petersen, taking a goalie back in any circumstance, apart from a prospect, is almost definitely off the table.
The issue Briere has is that there seems to be an atypical number of goaltenders available, apart from having one where there’s no market standard for.
It’s likely that whoever wants him has to come and get him, but him being signed for under $4m next year should be a huge advantage.
The issue Briere has is that there seems to be an atypical number of goaltenders available, apart from having one where there’s no market standard for.
It’s likely that whoever wants him has to come and get him, but him being signed for under $4m next year should be a huge advantage.
Flyerfan4life
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the real acid test wont be who they trade for/sign... it will be who actually plays.
renberg
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Of course you ditch Hart for a decent return. In two years his salary is going to exceed the team’s performance. If the Flyers keep him and, in the future, meet his salary demands they’ll have a situation on their hands similar to the Canadiens and Price. That’s not where the club wants to be.
Pantokrator
Who's the clown?
Rich Nixon
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"A player like Hart" is what? A question mark, a coin flip, a lottery ticket maybe, at the position that matters the least to the team now and for the next 5 or so years.
To justify keeping Hart, you need to be convinced that:
1. Hart is the guy, he's destined to be a top-3 goalie in the league.
2. The Flyers will be a good enough team that goaltending will matter within the next 5 years.
I can't understand the mindset that there's some crazy high threshold for keeping Hart. He's due a new deal as an RFA next summer. What are you gonna pay him? Is he gonna want to stay long term? If so, for how much? If you're treating him like rare diamonds, he's probably gonna ask you to pay him. That won't be worth it because the team would suck. One-yearing him to UFA would be stupid obviously. And you'd likely be trading him at lower value next summer with no contract and another year behind this defense.
So you either commit to the guy long-term or you trade him for the best you can get for him. And committing to him long-term relies on a lot of hope and uncertainty. You trade him for the best package you can get, you work the market and the suitors hard, you extract your value—whatever that is—and move on.
And if he gets to play and win a bunch of playoff games elsewhere, who gives a shit? It's like you sell some kid a guitar on Craigslist and then get mad when the guy writes a hit record on it. It's not your guitar anymore and you weren't gonna write that goddamn song.
This is not all directed at you, Deadpool, just speaking generally to the Hart trade situation.
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JojoTheWhale
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I know it’s been discussed before, but I don’t know if it’s come up since the trade became a possibility. The thing that made Hart special as a Goalie prospect was his relative low risk, not elite reasonable upside. It’s not just the aging curve here. If someone wants to pay through the nose for that archetype when it looks accurate, you take it.
Lol this is Danny’s first move ever as a GM.
How incompetent was Fletch the entire time? I don’t even want to know.
How incompetent was Fletch the entire time? I don’t even want to know.
Gregor Samsa
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The more I think about it, the more I think trading Hart is the right move, even if the deal is underwhelming. Without him, the Flyers should have a strong shot at Celebrini or Eiserman. CBJ and MTL should be better. If Anaheim isn’t better they have to start being concerned. Chicago should suck but who knows if Bedard comes as advertised. Phoenix? No clue about them. How many teams would be worse than the Flyers next year if Hart is traded?
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Not to mention other vets like Hayes are likely on their way out with Provorov.
renberg
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Just for shits and giggles, consider the possibility that Ersson is a better goalkeeper than Hart. When Ersson played there seemed to be an edge to his game that was better. The rebound that he controlled that Hart wouldn’t have and would end up in the back of the net. The softie that didn’t get let in. Etc. Granted it was a SSS but Ersson showed a spark that Hart lacked.
FLYguy3911
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Trading Hart is a no-brainer unless there is just no market, which would seem unlikely considering both contenders with a goalie need and fringe playoff teams looking to take the next step should have interest in Hart due to his age.
Gregor Samsa
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Then it’s a win in a different way- we get assets for Hart and find our next presumable goalie of the future. This is the time to give the youth a big chance to see what they have. Some players are better when they play with better players as opposed to how good the opposition is.
FlyerNutter
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If Hart goes, I’ll be happiest for him more than anyone really outside of Giroux making parole in a while.
He’s been ridden pretty hard in Philly, with two asshole coaches - and apparently had some mental health stuff. He seems like a good teammate, and he’s great at his craft.
Would be nice to see him get a chance at doing something special. He won’t get that here, which does suck - because it’s been a while since they have had a solid goalie. Maybe Mason.
It’s mad frustrating they didn’t come to this conclusion before this last season. Screams of Fletcher wanting to save his job.
He’s been ridden pretty hard in Philly, with two asshole coaches - and apparently had some mental health stuff. He seems like a good teammate, and he’s great at his craft.
Would be nice to see him get a chance at doing something special. He won’t get that here, which does suck - because it’s been a while since they have had a solid goalie. Maybe Mason.
It’s mad frustrating they didn’t come to this conclusion before this last season. Screams of Fletcher wanting to save his job.
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