Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid: Flyers Rumors & Media Mentions

[deadhead]

Briere was hired by Holmgren for Maine. As far as being a protege, Holmgren was gone when Briere joined the Flyers organization, Maine isn't even a Flyer affiliate. He has no connection to the other advisors, he's more closely tied to Comcast.

Torts may have been hired partially due to advisors' influence, but other than a couple years with Barber in TB (and a Cup) 20 years ago he has no connection with any of them, and do you really think they have any influence over him? Nor is his style really the same as "Flyers hockey," he values speed and skill (just look at that last draft, fast smurfs and goalies!).

Jones is the only one with "Flyer connections," and it's obvious he's the third wheel, I see no signs he's had any influence in terms of strategic direction or even personnel decisions. He's primarily a spokesman who takes the burden of league activities and PR off Briere's shoulders.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

 

[Beef Invictus]

Briere was hired by Holmgren for Maine. As far as being a protege, Holmgren was gone when Briere joined the Flyers organization, Maine isn't even a Flyer affiliate. He has no connection to the other advisors, he's more closely tied to Comcast.

Torts may have been hired partially due to advisors' influence, but other than a couple years with Barber in TB (and a Cup) 20 years ago he has no connection with any of them, and do you really think they have any influence over him? Nor is his style really the same as "Flyers hockey," he values speed and skill (just look at that last draft, fast smurfs and goalies!).

Jones is the only one with "Flyer connections," and it's obvious he's the third wheel, I see no signs he's had any influence in terms of strategic direction or even personnel decisions. He's primarily a spokesman who takes the burden of league activities and PR off Briere's shoulders.

When the f*** has Holmgren ever been gone? This exact same Holmgren that you scapegoated for all things Fletcher.

 

[IronMarshal]

Kevin Kurz? Just saying

 

[Redpath]

Getting a free shot on a reclamation lottery pick is better than nothing, but a simple draft pick in return should be the main target.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Getting a free shot on a reclamation lottery pick is better than nothing, but a simple draft pick in return should be the main target.

Seems to me like he could be the kind of guy they also sell later. Get many picks! Unfortunately, the team doesn't realize he's gonna be 34 or more by the time they are maybe good again. So they'll keep him and lose the draft chance.

 

[Magua]

Boucher would have to have been consistently good at some level to be a reclamation. I’m all for reclamation projects, on the cheap, but he isn’t one on either axis. Not good and way overdrafted =/= upside.

I’m rolling my eyes at eating 3 years and $2.95MM being “nothing.” As if Boucher was being traded for futures. Think about what the Flyers paid to rid themselves of Gostisbehere and tell me the opportunity cost is nothing.

Anyone who believes the cronies being good friends with new color commentator, Brian Boucher, isn’t coming into play with their valuing of one of the worst value draft picks in recent years is fooling themselves. Same as it ever was.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Boucher would have to have been consistently good at some level to be a reclamation. I’m all for reclamation projects, on the cheap, but he isn’t one. Not good and way overdrafted =/= upside.

I’m chuckling at 3 years and $2.95MM being “nothing.” As if Boucher was being traded for futures. Think about what the Flyers paid to rid themselves of Gostisbehere and tell me the opportunity cost is nothing.

Anyone who believes the cronies being good friends with new color commentator, Brian Boucher, isn’t coming into play with their valuing of one of the worst value draft picks in recent years is fooling themselves.

Boucher? He's not even a Flyer. He's worked for NBC, ESPN, and TNT for the last decade.

Yes, this is a line of thinking that has been attempted with Jones and Briere.

 

[Larry44]

Yeah but Brian Boucher



They are still listed as advisors, and in fact, they added that complete moron Bryan Murray (who tanked Anaheim) as ANOTHER advisor.

FYI, It was Bob Murray, former AMD GM. Bryan died in 2017.

 

[BillDineen]

I would hope Briere wanted Mark Greig's son instead of Boucher's

 

[BernieParent]

I would hope Briere wanted Mark Greig's son instead of Boucher's

It's a shame the Flyers never hired any 1st-round picks -- the picks themselves, not the players selected with them -- so they would be more inclined to trade for their offspring.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

Your timeline is off. He was drafted out of the NTDP, not the 67s. He missed almost his entire draft year with an injury. He also was almost universally ranked as a 2nd rounder.

Eh same idea though. During the pandemic he was playing for the 67s, no? I simply can't imagine a scenario that Brian Boucher had influence over the pick other than it being noted on the scouting reports. Bad pick then regardless and no interest here. That being said. Boucher having influence in Philly makes a lot more sense. If the Flyers do trade for him (or if they drafted that high) it would make more sense.

 

[GKJ]

Eh same idea though. During the pandemic he was playing for the 67s, no? I simply can't imagine a scenario that Brian Boucher had influence over the pick other than it being noted on the scouting reports. Bad pick then regardless and no interest here. That being said. Boucher having influence in Philly makes a lot more sense. If the Flyers do trade for him (or if they drafted that high) it would make more sense.

He didn’t get to the 67’s until January of 2022

 

[Beef Invictus]

It's a shame the Flyers never hired any 1st-round picks -- the picks themselves, not the players selected with them -- so they would be more inclined to trade for their offspring.

Wait can we do this

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

He didn’t get to the 67’s until January of 2022

I guess I was looking at something else I thought he played there first. Either way, again, I doubt Brian Boucher had any real influence on the pick other than someone saying "this is Brian Boucher's son."

 

[GKJ]

I guess I was looking at something else I thought he played there first. Either way, again, I doubt Brian Boucher had any real influence on the pick other than someone saying "this is Brian Boucher's son."

As usual, the Flyers are wrong until they prove themselves right. Any possible criticism to connections are valid until proven otherwise.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

As usual, the Flyers are wrong until they prove themselves right. Any possible criticism to connections are valid until proven otherwise.

No I'm talking about the Sens taking him. If the Flyers get him I don't think anyone is going to argue the connection didn't play a role. I am just saying I don't think the Sens were in any way influenced by the fact that he's Boucher's kid.

 

[GKJ]

No I'm talking about the Sens taking him. If the Flyers get him I don't think anyone is going to argue the connection didn't play a role. I am just saying I don't think the Sens were in any way influenced by the fact that he's Boucher's kid.

Oh, neither do I, they thought he was another Brady Tkachuk, which was also a pick a lot of people ripped, so they thought they outsmarted everyone again.

 

[freakydallas13]

Briere was hired by Holmgren for Maine. As far as being a protege, Holmgren was gone when Briere joined the Flyers organization

Reading these two sentences back to back gave me whiplash. "Yeah Holmgren brought in Briere, another former Flyer, but that doesn't count because by the time Briere became GM Holmgren was in a different position in the organization."

 

[deadhead]

Reading these two sentences back to back gave me whiplash. "Yeah Holmgren brought in Briere, another former Flyer, but that doesn't count because by the time Briere became GM Holmgren was in a different position in the organization."

Briere did not work with Holmgren once hired, if there was any close connection, it was with Camille and Comcast. He was groomed for GM, taught the business side of the job, then put in place to observe for a year before replacing Fletcher.

All you have to do is look at who they drafted and signed. to see the difference
draftedd Michkov, Barkey, Ciernak, signed Brown. Auditioned Fauchon (who they still might sign).
drafted Bonk and Sotheran, mobile D-men, Added Mete, fast D-man, to the Phantoms.
FAs, Poehling can skate, Hathaway is a decent skater for a mucker.

Dumped Hayes, JVR, Bellows, Lemieux,
Hodgson, Connaughton and their contracts were thrown into the Provorov trade.
TDA and Willman are the only good skaters gone from last season's team.

It's clear that one goal this season was to get faster throughout the system.

 

[freakydallas13]

Briere did not work with Holmgren once hired, if there was any close connection, it was with Camille and Comcast. He was groomed for GM, taught the business side of the job, then put in place to observe for a year before replacing Fletcher.

All you have to do is look at who they drafted and signed. to see the difference
draftedd Michkov, Barkey, Ciernak, signed Brown. Auditioned Fauchon (who they still might sign).
drafted Bonk and Sotheran, mobile D-men, Added Mete, fast D-man, to the Phantoms.
FAs, Poehling can skate, Hathaway is a decent skater for a mucker.

Dumped Hayes, JVR, Bellows, Lemieux,
Hodgson, Connaughton and their contracts were thrown into the Provorov trade.
TDA and Willman are the only good skaters gone from last season's team.

It's clear that one goal this season was to get faster throughout the system.

As Beef pointed out: are you trying to say that Holmgren, the same Holmgren you blame for pressuring Fletcher into making mistakes, had no influence after he was no longer the GM?

 

[deadhead]

As Beef pointed out: are you trying to say that Holmgren, the same Holmgren you blame for pressuring Fletcher into making mistakes, had no influence after he was no longer the GM?

Holmgren definitely set the win now mandate in 2018 for Fletcher.
He had no impact on Briere after he was hired simply b/c the Flyers had no control over Maine, which was an affiliate of another NHL team.

By the time Fletcher showed up in the Flyer FO, Holmgren had pretty much exited the scene, and the team was run by Scott with Wormtongue (Barber) whispering in his ear. I doubt Briere worked much with Fletcher (who could see that Comcast was positioning Briere to take his job), but he must have spent enough time with Flahr (smart rat who jumped ships) to have confidence in his judgements.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Holmgren definitely set the win now mandate in 2018 for Fletcher.
He had no impact on Briere after he was hired simply b/c the Flyers had no control over Maine, which was an affiliate of another NHL team.

By the time Fletcher showed up in the Flyer FO, Holmgren had pretty much exited the scene, and the team was run by Scott with Wormtongue (Barber) whispering in his ear. I doubt Briere worked much with Fletcher (who could see that Comcast was positioning Briere to take his job), but he must have spent enough time with Flahr (smart rat who jumped ships) to have confidence in his judgements.

Interesting that after touting collaboration for years, the only man fired after the last embarrassing era was Chuck.

Changes

Old incompetent pigs continue to get plump.

 

[freakydallas13]

Interesting that after touting collaboration for years, the only man fired after the last embarrassing era was Chuck.

Changes

Old incompetent pigs continue to get plump.

Pretty convenient that Homer stays in power long enough to absolve Chuck of any blame, but not long enough to have impact on any decisions made now, considering his position and title haven't changed at all.

I guess the Flyers whisperer, despite the fact he claimed he has no idea how the team is run, has insider information the rest of us aren't privy too.

 

[deadhead]

With Scott gone, the advisors have no channel of influence, no evidence that Hilferty talks to any of them on a regular basis - he genuflects in their direction as a nod to Flyer tradition.

Flahr came in with Fletcher, other than that he has no Flyer connections.
He has a good relationship with Briere, and they just had an excellent draft.

Brown was demoted as director of pro scouting, probably kept around as a "soft landing" for a long-time employee.
A few other scouts retired, new head of player development.

I think with Lappy, they may like how he interacts with young players, and the assistant coaches do the teaching. Phantom players certainly didn't look lost when they were promoted last season.