Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid: Flyers Rumors & Media Mentions

[Beef Invictus]

There's really no success story there. He's on his 4th team. You act like the Flyers pissed a gem hidden in the rough. He had his chances here.

The guy isn't Michael Raffl / Matt Read 2.0

He did not have chances here. That's the thing. That's the whole entire problem.

This team is not run on merit.

 

[Kelmitchell2]

Bjarnason was ranked #1 in at least two places, and he was the 4th goalie taken.

2023 NHL Draft: Top 10 goalies | NHL.com

Bjarnason, Hrabal, Augustine rated among best

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Here are NHL.com's top 10 goalies available for the 2023 draft:

1. Carson Bjarnason, Brandon (WHL)​

NHL Central Scouting ranking: No. 1 (North American goalies)

Ranking the top goalies of the 2023 NHL Draft class

The 2023 NHL Draft doesn't contain a sure-fire, high-end first-round goalies, but there are some intriguing options along the way.

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CARSON BJARNASON | BRANDON (WHL) | 6’3″ | 186
47 GP | 3.08 GAA | .900 SV% | 3 SO
FCHOCKEY RANK: 49​

I read he was ranked #96

 

[Lindberg]

He did not have chances here. That's the thing. That's the whole entire problem.

This team is not run on merit.

He played far more games for this club than anyone else : Nicolas Aube-Kubel Stats and News

People rant and rave about Kyle Dubas and he cut him after 6 games.

The guy is 27 now. In NHL terms he's at or closing his peak.

 

[Beef Invictus]

He played far more games for this club than anyone else : Nicolas Aube-Kubel Stats and News

People rant and rave about Kyle Dubas and he cut him after 6 games.

The guy is 27 now. In NHL terms he's at or closing his peak.

Ah yes, raw games played devoid of context like usage, treatment, inferior players favored over him. Not very convincing.

And yeah, that's the thing. He's at, near, or passing his peak. If the Flyers were close to a half-decent or quarter-competent team, they have him as a cheap bottom-six player instead of hunting down shit like Deslauriers. Then they move onto the next thing.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Always thought Staal was signed to help with the tank.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

No, that isn't what happened. What happened is the Flyers began repeatedly demonstrating preference for inferior veterans over better and cheaper younger players. Many of these marginal prospects will only have a 2-3 year window where they're viable at their peak, and the Flyers burn that up until they're washed instead of churning them in the NHL to fill out the roster. They prefer to pay more for worse veterans for cultural reasons. It's woefully inefficient and it's a major reason they've become so bad in the cap era.


This has been explained to you nonstop for ten years now, what are you struggling to get? How come you're still completely misunderstanding and mischaracterizing this? Let me help.

Because again, just repeating it over and over doesn't make it true. Yes there have been examples of guys like Yandle playing and I'm sure others you can point to... just like there are examples of young guys play immediately or shortly thereafter. They aren't great at player development, and I'm not making that argument, but the issue is far more related to drafting than it is player development.

Yandle getting the nod over York sucked. York wouldn't be any better today if he played 82 games the first season and Provorov wouldn't be any worse if he played his first year in the AHL. The team maybe would have been better off with York or some other rookie instead of Yandle and whomever the slop they rolled out there over whatever forward prospect you're upset about, but that again seems more like roster management issues than player development.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Because again, just repeating it over and over doesn't make it true. Yes there have been examples of guys like Yandle playing and I'm sure others you can point to... just like there are examples of young guys play immediately or shortly thereafter. They aren't great at player development, and I'm not making that argument, but the issue is far more related to drafting than it is player development.

Yandle getting the nod over York sucked. York wouldn't be any better today if he played 82 games the first season and Provorov wouldn't be any worse if he played his first year in the AHL. The team maybe would have been better off with York or some other rookie instead of Yandle and whomever the slop they rolled out there over whatever forward prospect you're upset about, but that again seems more like roster management issues than player development.

That's a hell of an assumption.

And your rebuttal boils down to "Sure, you can point to all these examples proving your point, but it doesn't matter."

It does matter, though. It's made the team worse and less likely to win, and agonizingly unfun to watching. Winning and fun are the whole point. Choosing to play inferior players over superior players just because they're inexperienced is objectively bad, and matters.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Oh, I do love me some thinly veiled Dubas hate to top this all off.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

I’m honestly not upset with signings like Hathaway and Poehling. They are 4th liners and I sure as hell don’t want guys like Brink or Foerster playing on the 4th line. If there are injuries in the top 6 (or top 9), and the 4th line guys get moved up before the prospects with potential then I’ll be vocal in my complaints. I’m probably not as high as many here on our older defensive prospects like Zamula, Andrae, Attard and all so I’m not sweating some bottom pair plugs getting shelled on a terrible defensive unit next year. All in all I feel the team is in a better direction then they were the past couple years. Time will tell on the rest

 

[Lindberg]

Oh, I do love me some thinly veiled Dubas hate to top this all off.

I don't hate Dubas at all. I'm just stating that other teams walked away from NAK as well. He's not as valuable as Beef is trying to make.

 

[freakydallas13]

I’m honestly not upset with signings like Hathaway and Poehling. They are 4th liners and I sure as hell don’t want guys like Brink or Foerster playing on the 4th line. If there are injuries in the top 6 (or top 9), and the 4th line guys get moved up before the prospects with potential then I’ll be vocal in my complaints. I’m probably not as high as many here on our older defensive prospects like Zamula, Andrae, Attard and all so I’m not sweating some bottom pair plugs getting shelled on a terrible defensive unit next year. All in all I feel the team is in a better direction then they were the past couple years. Time will tell on the rest

No one would hate these signings (or at least most of us wouldn't) if the team didn't give these plugs inflated minutes at the expense of young players who need proper NHL play time to be evaluated.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I don't hate Dubas at all. I'm just stating that other teams walked away from NAK as well. He's not as valuable as Beef is trying to make.

The idea that stacked teams don't have space for him and therefore neither do the Flyers is a funny one.

I'm also not arguing his value. I'm arguing the process. In this process, we had a better player and chose to use worse players ahead of him. This happens a lot.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I’m honestly not upset with signings like Hathaway and Poehling. They are 4th liners and I sure as hell don’t want guys like Brink or Foerster playing on the 4th line. If there are injuries in the top 6 (or top 9), and the 4th line guys get moved up before the prospects with potential then I’ll be vocal in my complaints. I’m probably not as high as many here on our older defensive prospects like Zamula, Andrae, Attard and all so I’m not sweating some bottom pair plugs getting shelled on a terrible defensive unit next year. All in all I feel the team is in a better direction then they were the past couple years. Time will tell on the rest

If a team doesn't have a ridiculously archaic and poor idea of hockey roles then there is nothing wrong with those guys playing on the 4th line. It does no harm.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

If a team doesn't have a ridiculously archaic and poor idea of hockey roles then there is nothing wrong with those guys playing on the 4th line. It does no harm.

Typically the 4th liners are the worst players on the team. I’d rather our prospects play with better players when they get a chance

 

[Beef Invictus]

Typically the 4th liners are the worst players on the team. I’d rather our prospects play with better players when they get a chance

That can be accounted for if a team is giving an honest and objective chance to the players. They've gotta learn how to play in the NHL somewhere. Somewhere is better than nowhere

 

[Gregor Samsa]

That can be accounted for if a team is giving an honest and objective chance to the players. They've gotta learn how to play in the NHL somewhere. Somewhere is better than nowhere

Obviously there is no one true path for prospect development. They are human and everyone is different. Some guys can be thrown to the wolves and succeed, while others need to be insulated more. I do think that keeping their confidence up is generally important. The NHL is a big step from every other league. Maybe throwing a 4th line together of Brink, Desnoyers, and Lycksell would succeed in the NHL but there is an equal chance they’ll get smoked on the ice and start second guessing. Players aren’t robots and a lot of guys get in their own head. I’d personally rather keep motivation and confidence up with the young guys.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Obviously there is no one true path for prospect development. They are human and everyone is different. Some guys can be thrown to the wolves and succeed, while others need to be insulated more. I do think that keeping their confidence up is generally important. The NHL is a big step from every other league. Maybe throwing a 4th line together of Brink, Desnoyers, and Lycksell would succeed in the NHL but there is an equal chance they’ll get smoked on the ice and start second guessing. Players aren’t robots and a lot of guys get in their own head. I’d personally rather keep motivation and confidence up with the young guys.

If they get smoked that badly then we've learned they aren't NHL players and that's useful.

 

[FlyerNutter]

I'm still waiting for that prospect who didn't get his chance and got moved to another club. I'll wait.

They moved out Provorov and TDA from the roster this year. Injuries will and do happen. The quality players will get their chance.

This forum bashed the Laughton contract when it got signed and now they can't wait to trade him for what his return is. This forum has some incredibly short term bias memory.

I’m going to be wrong, but if you feel comfortable answering.

Are you the man in your display photo?

 

[Gregor Samsa]

If they get smoked that badly then we've learned they aren't NHL players and that's useful.

One or two players can drag down a line and maybe a prospect would have succeeded if put in a better position with better line mates. 99% of players aren’t prime Crosby where a coach can wave down two guys from the upper deck and the line would produce like a top 6 line. I just want the young guys with potential to get a fair shake and I don’t think that is playing with journeymen, AHL/NHL tweeners, and failed prospects. I think it says more if a player is failing with our top 6 guys than if they aren’t producing when playing with literal who’s.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

The problem is the bolded doesn't matter. Outplaying veterans doesn't matter. Prospects do it annually and can't even get a decent tryout. York was better than most of the defense but he was more mature than the coach, so he was sent down. You're assuming a level of meritocracy that doesn't exist in this team.

its amazing how EVERY godam year that bolded part is said..

then the old vet is given 80 games regardless of how shit he is..

 

[Deadpool8812]

One or two players can drag down a line and maybe a prospect would have succeeded if put in a better position with better line mates. 99% of players aren’t prime Crosby where a coach can wave down two guys from the upper deck and the line would produce like a top 6 line. I just want the young guys with potential to get a fair shake and I don’t think that is playing with journeymen, AHL/NHL tweeners, and failed prospects. I think it says more if a player is failing with our top 6 guys than if they aren’t producing when playing with literal who’s.

A properly built NHL team won't have useless players on their 4th line. Unfortunately, the Flyers usually do.

There's nothing wrong with starting prospects on the 4th line. Some prospects won't need that, but a lot will need that time. It gives them a proper opportunity to learn the NHL game, something you can't do playing top minutes in the AHL. Once they seem comfortable, you can move them up the line up.

The Flyers unfortunately don't do this. They would rather sign useless veterans like Deslauriers, and give them regular icetime over any young guys with potential. They also fail to know when to push a guy up the line up, like they did with Couturier.

4th line players need to bring something more to the team, and no, being good in the locker room isn't it. The Deslauriers-types are useless and a complete waste of a roster spot. Face-off ability, PKing, good forechecker, speed, solid defensively...these are something they need to be effective in the role, which is usually something a young prospect can bring and not what we are used to seeing out there on our 4th line.

 

[GapToothedWonder]

I’m honestly not upset with signings like Hathaway and Poehling. They are 4th liners and I sure as hell don’t want guys like Brink or Foerster playing on the 4th line. If there are injuries in the top 6 (or top 9), and the 4th line guys get moved up before the prospects with potential then I’ll be vocal in my complaints. I’m probably not as high as many here on our older defensive prospects like Zamula, Andrae, Attard and all so I’m not sweating some bottom pair plugs getting shelled on a terrible defensive unit next year. All in all I feel the team is in a better direction then they were the past couple years. Time will tell on the rest

Do you think those 3 can only be bottom pairing or non NHL guys? Most here don't see anything more then the potential to be 2nd pairing or 4/5 guys out of that group.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

A properly built NHL team won't have useless players on their 4th line. Unfortunately, the Flyers usually do.

There's nothing wrong with starting prospects on the 4th line. Some prospects won't need that, but a lot will need that time. It gives them a proper opportunity to learn the NHL game, something you can't do playing top minutes in the AHL. Once they seem comfortable, you can move them up the line up.

The Flyers unfortunately don't do this. They would rather sign useless veterans like Deslauriers, and give them regular icetime over any young guys with potential. They also fail to know when to push a guy up the line up, like they did with Couturier.

4th line players need to bring something more to the team, and no, being good in the locker room isn't it. The Deslauriers-types are useless and a complete waste of a roster spot. Face-off ability, PKing, good forechecker, speed, solid defensively...these are something they need to be effective in the role, which is usually something a young prospect can bring and not what we are used to seeing out there on our 4th line.

Honestly I think great 4th lines are mostly about chemistry more than anything. There have been players on the bottom line of a championship team and in other years a bottom dweller. Hathaway could easily be part of a great 4th line on a contender if paired with the right line mates. We just differ in our opinion about how to integrate prospects onto the team. It is what it is and there is really no point in arguing about it. I just have a feeling that if guys like Brink and Foerster were put on the 4th line and they ended up busting, this board would be critical of the Flyers failing to develop and put them in a good position and giving them a fair chance

 

[Lindberg]

I’m going to be wrong, but if you feel comfortable answering.

Are you the man in your display photo?

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hahaha yep I'm Bundy.

I'm not appealing to the Flyers but I think this place has entered mass hysteria.

The way the Flyers handle player development is probably average. There's never been a single player development issue that I can easily recall in the past decade or so. Do the Flyers rush players and ruin their development (Oilers/Canucks)? Not from what I can tell.

Did Lindblom get his chance? Yep. Did York get his chance? Yep. Did Frost get his chance to stick? Yep. NAK? Yep. People act like they've shown a player like Giroux the door. People here like to ignore any of the context of playing in the NHL. Do you guys honestly think it's good for a player to constantly be at the fault while adjusting from juniors? Do those players really need the media to write bout their poor performances? Whether people want to hear it or not those guys are really young and adding some stability/structure in their lives do some good. The AHL / college is going to insulate you from any real player critics. Are we criticizing the way they've handled Cutter or Michkov or are they not applicable since most likely they'll go back to their respective leagues and make the jump.

Dave Hakstol? Garbage coach.
Ron Hextall? Controlling maniac.
Chuck Fletcher? Dogshit GM.

I could go on but not everything is some crazy piss poor management decision by this organization.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

Do you think those 3 can only be bottom pairing or non NHL guys? Most here don't see anything more then the potential to be 2nd pairing or 4/5 guys out of that group.

Personally I don’t think there is a bright future for them. I’ve seen someone say Attard had 20 goal potential. I think it any of them become a good 2nd pairing it has to be considered an overwhelming success. Most likely they will be names in the wind for future fans.