Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid: Flyers Rumors & Media Mentions

[Redpath]

Since the return for Laughton was a 1st and a 2nd, yes they should have rushed to get that. That's not going to go higher.

One report quite possibly from our leaky front office trying to cast out bait is not proof of an offer, especially given the actual evidence of minimal movement of 1sts this summer when compared to the deadline.

 

[Lindberg]

These are 2 seperate issues. Are you disagreeing with the idea that the Flyers seem terrible at player/prospect development?

I think this forum tends to exaggerate the problem significantly and over value the prospects.

Players that can step into the NHL immediately and be impactful get their chances. The NHL is a significant jump from juniors and often times players need to put on weight/muscle and have an environment to improve upon their player before transitioning to the NHL.

I'd say the Flyers are terrible at development if they just threw any first round pick in the NHL and expected them to perform.

 

[freakydallas13]

I think this forum tends to exaggerate the problem significantly and over value the prospects.

Players that can step into the NHL immediately and be impactful get their chances. The NHL is a significant jump from juniors and often times players need to put on weight/muscle and have an environment to improve upon their player before transitioning to the NHL.

I'd say the Flyers are terrible at development if they just threw any first round pick in the NHL and expected them to perform.

So you think they have adequate player development currently and in the recent past (ten years or so)?

If so I have to say I vehemently disagree.

 

[GKJ]

Also just regarding Provorov, who in their right mind thinks they move him if it isn’t for the pride night stuff, and the fact the players was unhappy himself.

They were forced into moving Ivan, it’s not some masterful rebuild plan.

They nearly to moved him 2 years ago.

 

[freakydallas13]

The team trading Laughton: "Patience is key, we need to hold onto him as long as possible to squeeze every drop of juice out of this lemon, even if keeping him on the team makes their draft position worse."

The team trading Hayes: "If he's on this roster a single second longer than he has to be I'm holding my breath until I pass out. Return be damned he absolutely had to be traded that instant and not a moment later."

 

[TheKingPin]

The team trading Laughton: "Patience is key, we need to hold onto him as long as possible to squeeze every drop of juice out of this lemon, even if keeping him on the team makes their draft position worse."

The team trading Hayes: "If he's on this roster a single second longer than he has to be I'm holding my breath until I pass out. Return be damned he absolutely had to be traded that instant and not a moment later."

That’s the most telling move. What does it matter if Hayes on this team or not. You lost assets in cap space and a retention slot just to get him out.

I used to say: if this happens then I’ll believe it. But the writing as been on the wall for awhile now. No one’s being moved for assets unless it’s a culture thing. They like Hart, Konecny, and Laughton so they stay. That should be at least 3 1sts right there.

 

[Lindberg]

Kevin Hayes is garbage, I don't know why this forum cares about him. He's an overpaid 2nd tweener/3rd center.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Kevin Hayes is garbage, I don't know why this forum cares about him. He's an overpaid 2nd tweener/3rd center.

Nobody cares about Hayes, but the processes involved are bad. I care about management and how they behave.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Kevin Hayes is garbage, I don't know why this forum cares about him. He's an overpaid 2nd tweener/3rd center.

Gee, maybe because he was shoved down our throats for years and certain posters around here praised him as a good player while the rest of us saw through it.

 

[Lindberg]

Gee, maybe because he was shoved down our throats for years and certain posters around here praised him as a good player while the rest of us saw through it.

I'm just glad to see him gone. I don't even care about the return. It's not like they took pennies on the dollar. It's was pennies on a nickel.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I'm just glad to see him gone. I don't even care about the return. It's not like they took pennies on the dollar. It's was pennies on a nickel.

That's fine and all but don't sit there questioning why people care about a player when they're just people questioning processes.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

I don’t think they ever put Laughton on the trade block so I doubt there was a offer. The media in this town is unreliable

 

[Bigkarl]

I think there's a bit of an overreaction here.

Can we at least wait until the TDL before we keep going on about how this isn't a rebuild? Danny B at any point in the season before the TDL can sell players.

Nothing this organization has done over the past decade+ has earned them the benefit of the doubt. The only logical position to take until proven otherwise, is to assume that they are going to screw up in every possible way.

 

[deadhead]

Yandle averaged 13:35 minutes, when York came up, he averaged 19:05. Maybe they just didn't feel York was ready?

The issue with Zamula I think is more about whether he's strong enough to play a regular role at the NHL level, .

The only players Yandle actually blocked were Seeler and Connauton at 3LHD.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Yandle averaged 13:35 minutes, when York came up, he averaged 19:05. Maybe they just didn't feel York was ready?

The issue with Zamula I think is more about whether he's strong enough to play a regular role at the NHL level, .

The only players Yandle actually blocked were Seeler and Connauton at 3LHD.

They didn't play York because he was a more mature adult than Tortorella. That was the whole reason. Nothing to do with play quality or development stages or anything like that.

 

[deadhead]

So you think they have adequate player development currently and in the recent past (ten years or so)?

If so I have to say I vehemently disagree.

Adequate sure. I mean where are the players that left here and blossomed elsewhere? Nashville gave up on Myers after half a season and TB overpaid then buried him as the 8th D-man. Bunnaman, Twarynski, Vorobyev, Friedman, et al. Maybe they just suck?

The only player to do much elsewhere has been Cousins, who Hextall dumped for a 6th rd pick.
NAK has flashed, but also wasn't resigned by Colorado (who signed two other bottom six forwards instead) and was waived by Toronto.
Ghost got healthy, but never approached 2017-18, and was obtained as a 3rd pair D-man by Carolina and was allowed to walk so they could sign TDA for less money.

 

[tucson83]

There's a reason "the system" has brutalized the Flyers so severely and not the good teams.

It's Flyers management! You're defending losers. Do you like losing? Will you stop being a fan of the stop losing because they change management?

im always a fan, sounds like you dont want to be, you always want to complain, you always want something and complain when it doesnt go your way because players have their own minds or draft lottery doesnt go our way.

if you want to lose and end up with no talent, then you are going to complain more, you have nothing to be happy about, you just want to complain no matter what.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Signing Staal, Hathaway, and Poehling is business as usual while not giving any prospects the option of a chance. Those are the opposite of rebuilding moves.

Briere was part of making the current mess. The old regime is the current regime.

there will be NO rebuild while Torts is here... in fact he is the anti-rebuild..

he will want nothing but Veteran grinders...

 

[freakydallas13]

Adequate sure. I mean where are the players that left here and blossomed elsewhere? Nashville gave up on Myers after half a season and TB overpaid then buried him as the 8th D-man. Bunnaman, Twarynski, Vorobyev, Friedman, et al. Maybe they just suck?

The only player to do much elsewhere has been Cousins, who Hextall dumped for a 6th rd pick.
NAK has flashed, but also wasn't resigned by Colorado (who signed two other bottom six forwards instead) and was waived by Toronto.
Ghost got healthy, but never approached 2017-18, and was obtained as a 3rd pair D-man by Carolina and was allowed to walk so they could sign TDA for less money.

Maroon? You're also leaving out how nearly every promising prospect on the team always gets here and becomes less than they were imagined to be. Not to mention the lack of breakout players that the Flyers build into much more than they were when the team drafted them.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Is it about being better than Marc Staal or is it simply better to maximize their playing time for them to accumulate / gain weight and process the game at a higher level without any of the media press / pressure?

What young players haven't eventually got their time here? TK got a chance immediately because he was THAT good. Farabee got here quick. Lindblom didn't spend much time in the AHL but was never the same after cancer.

I think people are just disappointed with all the results because most of the players just haven't been that good. Sanheim/Provorov neither of them were #1s much to this forum's disappointment.

They aren't going to prove they can play in the NHL or not by never playing in the NHL.

We know Staal can't play in the NHL anymore. There is zero utility playing him. There is utility in cycling prospects through.

 

[wankstifier]

They aren't going to prove they can play in the NHL or not by never playing in the NHL.

We know Staal can't play in the NHL anymore. There is zero utility playing him. There is utility in cycling prospects through.

Retirement tour contracts aren't useful?

 

[Beef Invictus]

im always a fan, sounds like you dont want to be, you always want to complain, you always want something and complain when it doesnt go your way because players have their own minds or draft lottery doesnt go our way.

if you want to lose and end up with no talent, then you are going to complain more, you have nothing to be happy about, you just want to complain no matter what.

I want the team to be good and I dislike seeing bad things happen to it because incompetent people run wild.

Wanting to see them win does not make me a bad fan.

 

[Kelmitchell2]

Taking any team's early first round selection off of the board makes their draft look different and less promising. How do the Hawks look without Bedard? CBJ w/o Fantilli? ANA w/o Carlsson? You can't take MM off of the board. Other teams passed on him. The Flyers could have done it as well but took the bold step and nabbed him. My call is that MM is the second best player in the draft and if he plays in the NHL, it will be as a Flyer. Briere deserves credit for making the pick.

What he means is most of the remaining picks were not even close to bpa, Bonk, wasn't bpa, his rankings were so sporadic that he was ranked 24-60 Gabe was clearly bpa as well as gulyayev,and then the goalies back to back? Yeah that was stupidity, dragicevic still on the board and you take goalies, not even top rated goalies, idk why people are so blind in giving this regime a chance, when theyre showing the same incompetence as we have seen for years.

You guys constantly say the Flyers don't develop prospects and then argue that the prospects should be rushed.

If you can't beat out Marc Staal for a spot than you as a player need to do better. Morgan Frost for years flopped around back and forth until about this year. His development took a long time.

Is it better for a player to bounce around a tweener in the AHL/NHL or spend 20 minutes a night in the AHL?

The problem is Staal will be HANDED a spot, kids can't beat him out if not given a fair chance, I mean they had to beat Braun out last year, and they weren't given a chance, if there was a fair chance given out, people wouldn't be so annoyed about it, but veteran presence is to important to the flyers

 

[freakydallas13]

Here come the strawman arguments:

"You don't even like this team"
"Hayes is trash who cares what he was traded for"
"You'll complain no matter what the team does"

Etc.

Anything to avoid questioning the team.

 

[Curufinwe]

What he means is most of the remaining picks were not even close to bpa, Bonk, wasn't bpa, his rankings were so sporadic that he was ranked 24-60 Gabe was clearly bpa as well as gulyayev,and then the goalies back to back? Yeah that was stupidity, dragicevic still on the board and you take goalies, not even top rated goalies, idk why people are so blind in giving this regime a chance, when theyre showing the same incompetence as we have seen for years.

Bjarnason was ranked #1 in at least two places, and he was the 4th goalie taken.

2023 NHL Draft: Top 10 goalies | NHL.com

Bjarnason, Hrabal, Augustine rated among best

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Here are NHL.com's top 10 goalies available for the 2023 draft:

1. Carson Bjarnason, Brandon (WHL)​

NHL Central Scouting ranking: No. 1 (North American goalies)

Ranking the top goalies of the 2023 NHL Draft class

The 2023 NHL Draft doesn't contain a sure-fire, high-end first-round goalies, but there are some intriguing options along the way.

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CARSON BJARNASON | BRANDON (WHL) | 6’3″ | 186
47 GP | 3.08 GAA | .900 SV% | 3 SO
FCHOCKEY RANK: 49​