Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid: Flyers Rumors & Media Mentions

[Lindberg]

I think there's a bit of an overreaction here.

Can we at least wait until the TDL before we keep going on about how this isn't a rebuild? Danny B at any point in the season before the TDL can sell players.

 

[Beef Invictus]

There are contention windows, and also rebuild windows. The Flyers completely fail to grasp the concept.

You aren’t bottoming out for a rebuild in 2-3 years from now…

So what you’re saying is, we are content on rebuilding drafting 5-10. We think our scouting, and developmental groups are strong enough to find the required level of talent in that range.

Yeah. Ok there.

This team has finally gotten some insane good luck. Not just because Michkov dropped to them, but because he could spend up to 3 years playing pro hockey somewhere else. A free, 3-year window to just shit out and hoard all the talent you can. And they're not going to do it.

Teams mostly make their own luck, and we don't have to look beyond this to see why the Flyers always seem so "unlucky." They make the least of all situations.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I think there's a bit of an overreaction here.

Can we at least wait until the TDL before we keep going on about how this isn't a rebuild? Danny B at any point in the season before the TDL can sell players.

Next we'll be hearing "let's wait until the offseason to judge."

These are all the same people. We have years to judge them on. Many years. As has been the case always, they completely lack urgency or killer instinct.

Edit: LOL actually that's not true, they do show urgency. They show urgency when it's time to lose on moves.

 

[Redpath]

Michkov. We have Michkov. They need to deal valuable players who might only be worthwhile in a year or two of his prime, to try and get players who will be worthwhile for longer. That's how you maximize the chances of winning. That would be building around Michkov, and around a core you surround him with.

As I just posted, though, they aren't doing that. They're building around a dead end lazy coach who will be long gone, and they'll pay for it for years to come. This is an urgent f***-up.

Right, which is why I ultimatley would prefer that Konecny gets traded.

But we also have a younger "core" that fits the Michkov timeline (Frost, Farabee, Foerster, Gauthier). Briere has traded zero picks for short-term gain, meaning we will draft more of a core to build around Michkov. We have not spent cap space this summer that will be tied up when Michkov is here. And Konecny can still be a valuable piece to the Flyers on the other end if he doesn't get traded. That Konecny isn't traded (yet) doesn't mean Michkov's career is being wasted.

If you can recognize what the long term impact of not trading Konecny would have on Michkov's career is, then surely you can also recognize the long term impact of Briere not trading picks/cap space for players, which the typical Flyers process + same people would have dictated.

 

[Lindberg]

Next we'll be hearing "let's wait until the offseason to judge."

These are all the same people. We have years to judge them on. Many years. As has been the case always, they completely lack urgency or killer instinct.

Edit: LOL actually that's not true, they do show urgency. They show urgency when it's time to lose on moves.

Daniel Briere has been on the job for a few months. I'll extend him the courtesy of a season. So far he hasn't done anything that doesn't suggest a rebuild is taking place.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

We've also been told for years by a select few that a good number of things were going to happen even though everyone else knew that they weren't so... sorry if we're a little apprehensive here about allowing leeway.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Right, which is why I ultimatley would prefer that Konecny gets traded.

But we also have a younger "core" that fits the Michkov timeline (Frost, Farabee, Foerster, Gauthier). Briere has traded zero picks for short-term gain, meaning we will draft more of a core to build around Michkov. We have not spent cap space this summer that will be tied up when Michkov is here. And Konecny can still be a valuable piece to the Flyers on the other end if he doesn't get traded. That Konecny isn't traded (yet) doesn't mean Michkov's career is being wasted.

If you can recognize what the long term impact of not trading Konecny would have on Michkov's career is, then surely you can also recognize the long term impact of Briere not trading picks/cap space for players, which the typical Flyers process + same people would have dictated.

Briere has added the bare minimum of picks. Considering how badly this regime bled the cupboard out for years, simply stopping the bleeding isn't near enough. They need a transfusion now. Briere refuses to do that. He prefers to cater to Tortorella and do nothing further.

Daniel Briere has been on the job for a few months. I'll extend him the courtesy of a season. So far he hasn't done anything that doesn't suggest a rebuild is taking place.

Establishing a 3 year max timeline and holding onto the players he's held onto screams "this isn't a rebuild" with such volume it could extinguish the sun.

 

[Lindberg]

Briere has added the bare minimum of picks. Considering how badly this regime bled the cupboard out for years, simply stopping the bleeding isn't near enough. They need a transfusion now. Briere refuses to do that. He prefers to cater to Tortorella and do nothing further.



Establishing a 3 year max timeline and holding onto the players he's held onto screams "this isn't a rebuild" with such volume it could extinguish the sun.

We will see. I'll join the club if the TDL hits and nothing is done. I get where people are coming from but it's just the same circular conversation always around here now.

To me so far he's done and said the right things more or less. It's not like anyone is really privy to what trade deals are actually available to him.

Besides holding on to players what has Daniel Briere done that isn't inline with a rebuild? Sign long term deals to any players? No. Trade away picks/prospects? No. The 3 year timeline could just be public speak to try and keep the fans engaged.

Don't fault him for his previous predecessor for the mess he is in and is trying to navigate through.

 

[freakydallas13]

I think there's a bit of an overreaction here.

Can we at least wait until the TDL before we keep going on about how this isn't a rebuild? Danny B at any point in the season before the TDL can sell players.

We could, but a bunch of people keep saying it is a rebuild, then they get upset when it is pointed out to them the team that hasn't ever done a successful rebuild hasn't made a real rebuilding move yet.

 

[Beef Invictus]

We will see. I'll join the club if the TDL hits and nothing is done. I get where people are coming from but it's just the same circular conversation always around here now.

To me so far he's done and said the right things more or less. It's not like anyone is really privy to what trade deals are actually available to him.

Besides holding on to players what has Daniel Briere done that isn't inline with a rebuild? Sign long term deals to any players? No. Trade away picks/prospects? No. The 3 year timeline could just be public speak to try and keep the fans engaged.

Don't fault his previous predecessor for the mess he is in and is trying to navigate through.

Signing Staal, Hathaway, and Poehling is business as usual while not giving any prospects the option of a chance. Those are the opposite of rebuilding moves.

Briere was part of making the current mess. The old regime is the current regime.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Flahr, Fletcher's right hand man for YEARS, is Briere's boss! They all played a role in the mess.

Edit: I guess they took those titles away from him and now he's just the Assistant General Manager so that's good.

 

[freakydallas13]

Right, which is why I ultimatley would prefer that Konecny gets traded.

But we also have a younger "core" that fits the Michkov timeline (Frost, Farabee, Foerster, Gauthier). Briere has traded zero picks for short-term gain, meaning we will draft more of a core to build around Michkov. We have not spent cap space this summer that will be tied up when Michkov is here. And Konecny can still be a valuable piece to the Flyers on the other end if he doesn't get traded. That Konecny isn't traded (yet) doesn't mean Michkov's career is being wasted.

If you can recognize what the long term impact of not trading Konecny would have on Michkov's career is, then surely you can also recognize the long term impact of Briere not trading picks/cap space for players, which the typical Flyers process + same people would have dictated.

That young "core" of Frost, Farabee, etc. is junk and will take this team nowhere without several elite talent level players.

Those hypothetical elite players (of which this team currently has potentially 1) are the core. A bunch of young secondary players does nothing in terms of competing for a cup, just makes you good enough to be first round playoff fodder.

 

[Lindberg]

Signing Staal, Hathaway, and Poehling is business as usual while not giving any prospects the option of a chance.

Briere was part of making the current mess. The old regime is the current regime.

You guys constantly say the Flyers don't develop prospects and then argue that the prospects should be rushed.

If you can't beat out Marc Staal for a spot than you as a player need to do better. Morgan Frost for years flopped around back and forth until about this year. His development took a long time.

Is it better for a player to bounce around a tweener in the AHL/NHL or spend 20 minutes a night in the AHL?

 

[Redpath]

Briere has added the bare minimum of picks. Considering how badly this regime bled the cupboard out for years, simply stopping the bleeding isn't near enough. They need a transfusion now. Briere refuses to do that. He prefers to cater to Tortorella and do nothing further.

I don't know what constitutes "bare minumum" of picks, but I'd estimate it's less than the 1st and two 2nds he's already brought in.

 

[freakydallas13]

We've also been told for years by a select few that a good number of things were going to happen even though everyone else knew that they weren't so... sorry if we're a little apprehensive here about allowing leeway.

Imagine giving the Flyers of all teams the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Beef Invictus]

You guys constantly say the Flyers don't develop prospects and then argue that the prospects should be rushed.

If you can't beat out Marc Staal for a spot than you as a player need to do better. Morgan Frost for years flopped around back and forth until about this year. His development took a long time.

I never argued they should be rushed. I argued they should be able to have a chance. They won't be given one now. We have a lot of guys who are ready and will wither, as always.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

You guys constantly say the Flyers don't develop prospects and then argue that the prospects should be rushed.

If you can't beat out Marc Staal for a spot than you as a player need to do better. Morgan Frost for years flopped around back and forth until about this year. His development took a long time.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I don't know what constitutes "bare minumum" of picks, but I'd estimate it's less than the 1st and two 2nds he's already brought in.

No, actually, it's more. They should have had more than that by trading Laughton at minimum.

 

[Beef Invictus]

You guys constantly say the Flyers don't develop prospects and then argue that the prospects should be rushed.

If you can't beat out Marc Staal for a spot than you as a player need to do better. Morgan Frost for years flopped around back and forth until about this year. His development took a long time.

Is it better for a player to bounce around a tweener in the AHL/NHL or spend 20 minutes a night in the AHL?

Since you edited: it's funny you still think merit has anything to do with Flyers development and player evaluation. We will have multiple young players who are better than Staal and they won't be given a chance.

Where has everyone been since Hextall took over? How have we not all realized this reality by now?

 

[BringBackHakstol]

We will see. I'll join the club if the TDL hits and nothing is done. I get where people are coming from but it's just the same circular conversation always around here now.

To me so far he's done and said the right things more or less. It's not like anyone is really privy to what trade deals are actually available to him.

Besides holding on to players what has Daniel Briere done that isn't inline with a rebuild? Sign long term deals to any players? No. Trade away picks/prospects? No. The 3 year timeline could just be public speak to try and keep the fans engaged.

Don't fault him for his previous predecessor for the mess he is in and is trying to navigate through.

Block prospects, for one

 

[freakydallas13]

You guys constantly say the Flyers don't develop prospects and then argue that the prospects should be rushed.

These are 2 seperate issues. Are you disagreeing with the idea that the Flyers seem terrible at player/prospect development?

 

[Redpath]

No, actually, it's more. They should have had more than that by trading Laughton at minimum.

Rushing to trade Laughton to achieve an arbitrary "bare minimum" of picks would be a very unshrewd move given the minimal movement of 1sts this summer, especially for players of Laughton's caliber.

 

[freakydallas13]

York and Zamula were better than Keith Yandle, and yet Yandle continually played over both of them.

 

[Lindberg]

Since you edited: it's funny you still think merit has anything to do with Flyers development and player evaluation. We will have multiple young players who are better than Staal and they won't be given a chance.

Where has everyone been since Hextall took over? How have we not all realized this reality by now?

Is it about being better than Marc Staal or is it simply better to maximize their playing time for them to accumulate / gain weight and process the game at a higher level without any of the media press / pressure?

What young players haven't eventually got their time here? TK got a chance immediately because he was THAT good. Farabee got here quick. Lindblom didn't spend much time in the AHL but was never the same after cancer.

I think people are just disappointed with all the results because most of the players just haven't been that good. Sanheim/Provorov neither of them were #1s much to this forum's disappointment.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Rushing to trade Laughton to achieve an arbitrary "bare minimum" of picks would be a very unshrewd move given the minimal movement of 1sts this summer, especially for players of Laughton's caliber.

Since the return for Laughton was a 1st and a 2nd, yes they should have rushed to get that. That's not going to go higher.