Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid: Flyers Rumors & Media Mentions

[DrinkFightFlyers]

They're doing the same exact thing that they've always done. Focusing on "culture" and throwing out the "malcontents." That's all they've done thus far. Until they offload a player that didn't clash with Tortorella or a player that wanted out they're just retooling like they always do.

But they're not. This is absolutely inaccurate. There are 3 players on the roster that really have value and should be dealt (TK, Laughton, and Hart), maybe 4 if you include Sanheim but his contract and his play likely mean he isn't going to garner a huge return so he'll probably be here for a while. Hart was already rumored to be involved in a deal and once he's clear the writing is pretty obviously on the wall that he is gone. Laughton and TK will also likely be gone by the TDL or next offseason. They haven't made any big signings and signed only players that fit a rebuild mold. They have only traded for future assets and salary dumps. Nothing about this offseason looks, feels, or sounds like what they normally do. Just saying it does doesn't make it so.

 

[BringBackHakstol]

Is blocking all spots for Tyson Foerster by signing UFA's rebuilding?

 

[Redpath]

But they're not. This is absolutely inaccurate. There are 3 players on the roster that really have value and should be dealt (TK, Laughton, and Hart), maybe 4 if you include Sanheim but his contract and his play likely mean he isn't going to garner a huge return so he'll probably be here for a while. Hart was already rumored to be involved in a deal and once he's clear the writing is pretty obviously on the wall that he is gone. Laughton and TK will also likely be gone by the TDL or next offseason. They haven't made any big signings and signed only players that fit a rebuild mold. They have only traded for future assets and salary dumps. Nothing about this offseason looks, feels, or sounds like what they normally do. Just saying it does doesn't make it so.

It is amazing how quickly the "way things have always been done" has been forgotten by fans. For years we've heard about impatientice, bad free agent spending, trading draft picks, and drafting Flyer-type players all with the focus to compete the next season. Now we finally differ from that strategy and it is "Things are still the same!"

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

But they're not. This is absolutely inaccurate. There are 3 players on the roster that really have value and should be dealt (TK, Laughton, and Hart), maybe 4 if you include Sanheim but his contract and his play likely mean he isn't going to garner a huge return so he'll probably be here for a while. Hart was already rumored to be involved in a deal and once he's clear the writing is pretty obviously on the wall that he is gone. Laughton and TK will also likely be gone by the TDL or next offseason. They haven't made any big signings and signed only players that fit a rebuild mold. They have only traded for future assets and salary dumps. Nothing about this offseason looks, feels, or sounds like what they normally do. Just saying it does doesn't make it so.

They traded malcontents and "bad culture" players. That's what happened. They're hoping that Atkinson and Couturier will be their additions and make the team better. They've signed people that will block kids from showing what they have at the NHL level. That's not rebuilding.

Stop eating their propaganda. I get it, you want to believe that things are different but they haven't shown that they are or that they deserve the benefit of the doubt. That's earned. Don't give them what they want.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

Is blocking all spots for Tyson Foerster by signing UFA's rebuilding?

I really don't f***ing get how this kid isn't a regular at this point, or pinned as a regular. Kid has earned that shot and we just keep passing over him.

The other problem is Torts making Cates play center instead of LW, because you could slot Foerster in as a 3C in that position to make things easier.

And the last problem is how many f***ing RWers this team has. No f***ing clue why we aren't dumping some of them onto other teams for picks, even if we do 50%.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

It is amazing how quickly the "way things have always been done" has been forgotten by fans. For years we've heard about impatientice, bad free agent spending, trading draft picks, and drafting Flyer-type players all with the focus to compete the next season. Now we finally differ from that strategy and it is "Things are still the same!"

Blaming culture and jettisoning players is what they've always done. They think that they can culture their way to a Cup.

 

[Redpath]

Blaming culture and jettisoning players is what they've always done. They think that they can culture their way to a Cup.

Blaming culture isn't what has crippled the Flyers though. Especially when the culture being "blamed" this offseason was correct to receive some blame.

Trading draft picks, imprudent cap spending, and desire to compete ASAP is what has hurt the Flyers over the years.

 

[Beef Invictus]

But they're not. This is absolutely inaccurate. There are 3 players on the roster that really have value and should be dealt (TK, Laughton, and Hart), maybe 4 if you include Sanheim but his contract and his play likely mean he isn't going to garner a huge return so he'll probably be here for a while. Hart was already rumored to be involved in a deal and once he's clear the writing is pretty obviously on the wall that he is gone. Laughton and TK will also likely be gone by the TDL or next offseason. They haven't made any big signings and signed only players that fit a rebuild mold. They have only traded for future assets and salary dumps. Nothing about this offseason looks, feels, or sounds like what they normally do. Just saying it does doesn't make it so.

It feels exactly like their traditional Culture Reset methods.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

There are teams that commit to rebuilding, and teams that don’t.

I’ve seen one superstar on the team since I became a fan in the early 2000s. Have seen many exciting, and dominant players inserted into the league since that time.

The Flyers will happily draft fifth, and watch a team like Chicago come away with Bedard + Moore.

They aren’t rebuilding. It’s Hextall retool 2.0 .

I understand people wanting to give them a chance, but I’ve seen this song - and dance before. The most important thing should be building a highly talented young core, and putting themselves in the best spot to draft such a core. They continually refuse to do it. Not trying to find a magical deal for TK that gets them an extra 2nd rounder.

This team isn’t winning shit drafting 5-10 for a few years. I can’t bring myself to believe that. They don’t have the scouting or developmental staff to pull off such a strategy. We’ve seen that in proof continuously.

The infatuation with building a try hard team, that over relies on secondary depth - and effort is infused in their DNA. I’ll bet my ass it’s because of “the glory days”, and a certain alumni element having more of a chokehold on this organization than any other professional team I’ve seen.

I get catering to a portion of the fanbase that does spend money on seats. Not to belittle those people because it’s not fair for me to do so - but in another 10 years let’s say… They have done a masterful job to alienate a section of the fanbase that frankly imo detests that old school Flyer legacy.

They have ruined my generations team for their own egos. So be it.

This is nonsense though. We are one offseason into this and you haven't seen this song and dance before. Just saying that doesn't make it true. I have seen a lot of people repeating this and pretending it is true, but no one has pointed to any similarities, especially since Briere hasn't even been the GM for six months, let alone a full season or TDL.

What off-season moves do you think point to this being a retool and not a rebuild? Please help me understand because just saying it isn't enough. Not trading TK and Laughton immediately? Is that the only thing? If so, let's talk after the TDL and I'll eat my words if they are both still here.

I did not expect every single player to immediately be traded and just because another team did that, doesn't mean that is the right way to go. Again, you may not agree with how the rebuild is progressing, and that is fair and you can criticize and complain about that all day, but don't pretend like this is like any other Flyers offseason because I can't recall one like this.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Blaming culture isn't what has crippled the Flyers though. Especially when the culture being "blamed" this offseason was correct to receive some blame.

Trading draft picks, imprudent cap spending, and desire to compete ASAP is what has hurt the Flyers over the years.

Worth noting they spent draft picks to move up and take a goalie for no good reason.

 

[Adam Warlock]

TDA and Hayes werent moved bc theyre bad for "culture". They were moved bc they were too popular...and could lead a rebellion against Torts. Same with Sanheim...who players started turning on Torts after he was scratched in calgary.

75% of the moves Briere has made are to appease and protect one man and thats a problem.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

They traded malcontents and "bad culture" players. That's what happened. They're hoping that Atkinson and Couturier will be their additions and make the team better. They've signed people that will block kids from showing what they have at the NHL level. That's not rebuilding.

Stop eating their propaganda. I get it, you want to believe that things are different but they haven't shown that they are or that they deserve the benefit of the doubt. That's earned. Don't give them what they want.

Lol, so in a true rebuild they would have held on to those guys? I don't see the issue here. Both things can be true.

It feels exactly like their traditional Culture Reset methods.

Both things can be true (and both things can be necessary). Rebuilding doesn't mean you can't, don't, or shouldn't change the culture.

 

[tucson83]

if briere came in and started shipping everyone out without getting reasonable returns he wouldnt last long as a GM, the fanbase is already torn on the moves hes made so far and everything he does is going to be held under a microscope and scrutinized. the only way you get better value back is if you have leverage and not being trigger happy now gives him a better bargaining posture later. a fire sale would just attract vultures to pick at our bones, thats my opinion anyways.

seems they are not happy no matter what they do because they just want the players that will make them happy and the problem with that is lottery, if we tanked and didnt get bedard, fans are going to find ways to blame the organization for some crazy reason, even though they had the worst record and couldnt do nothing else.

i would say this, stop hating the management and hate the system.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Lol, so in a true rebuild they would have held on to those guys? I don't see the issue here. Both things can be true.


Both things can be true (and both things can be necessary). Rebuilding doesn't mean you can't, don't, or shouldn't change the culture.

In a true rebuild they would offload ONE single other player that doesn't have those reasons attached.

Instead they're all still here and have a three year timeline to compete.

The writing is on the wall with this one. Anyone that believes the process with where it currently stands is being fooled.

 

[Redpath]

Worth noting they spent draft picks to move up and take a goalie for no good reason.

I know you are smart enough to recognize the distinct difference between trading up in the draft for a prospect they valued versus Holmgren/Clarke/Fletcher-era pick hemorrhaging in order to fill out the roster to compete ASAP.

 

[BringBackHakstol]

The word culture should be banned, It makes me physically ill reading it at this point

 

[Beef Invictus]

TDA and Hayes werent moved bc theyre bad for "culture". They were moved bc they were too popular...and could lead a rebellion against Torts. Same with Sanheim...who players started turning on Torts after he was scratched in calgary.

75% of the moves Briere has made are to appease and protect one man and thats a problem.

And since everyone knows that's what they're doing, it damages value. They need to be getting the most the can. Instead they cling to things like Laughton while being clowned on the TDA front. They need maximum value and picks and they refuse to go get it. Because that's not that point. The point is appeasing Tortorella and fixing culture. It's not a rebuild. In a decade everyone who doubts this will be lamenting these decisions. We've seen this before.

 

[tnfrs]

The word culture should be banned, It makes me physically ill reading it at this point

i think they use the word culture because its rude to just say hayes is a fkn loser

 

[Beef Invictus]

I know you are smart enough to recognize the distinct difference between trading up in the draft for a prospect they valued versus Holmgren/Clarke/Fletcher-era pick hemorrhaging in order to fill out the roster to compete ASAP.

I know you're smart enough to remember the Hextall rebuild that wasn't a rebuild, because nobody who comes up through the Clarke tree has the slightest idea what a rebuild or Cap Era hockey are.

It's odd that the "this is fine" crowd only insists on the Fletcher/Homer comps while ignoring that aspect of Flyers history. Recall as well that nobody with the team had any issues with how Hextall did hockey management and his mistake was not coddling that pathetic loser manchild Clarke enough. They kept it all, all the processes and all the players. And the people who loved all that are still running the show. Nothing has changed. They're still the team they've always been. So I'm not going to look at the same people doing the same stuff they've been doing and say "this same thing is different actually"

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

i think they use the word culture because its rude to just say hayes is a fkn loser

Hayes was celebrated for years as being a core member of improving the culture because Giroux and Co. had a bad culture.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Hell in fact, this is even less of a rebuild than what Hextall did because he didn't just engage in culture appeasement.

 

[tnfrs]

Hayes was celebrated for years as being a core member of improving the culture because Giroux and Co. had a bad culture.

didnt kevin hayes not sign an ELC with chicago who drafted him because he wanted to play for the rangers and then jumped shipped for the most money?

 

[Beef Invictus]

Lol, so in a true rebuild they would have held on to those guys? I don't see the issue here. Both things can be true.


Both things can be true (and both things can be necessary). Rebuilding doesn't mean you can't, don't, or shouldn't change the culture.

Focusing on culture to the degree the Flyers do fails every time. It's not worth enough to be a factor. You can't artificially create culture. You can't force it. The Flyers will continue chewing off their own feet following that path. It has bred nothing but bad moves and no benefits. That's all it'll ever do.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

didnt kevin hayes not sign an ELC with chicago who drafted him because he wanted to play for the rangers and then jumped shipped for the most money?

And? That sounds like the Flyers should be blamed for putting a guy like Hayes at the center of their universe to me.

 

[Beef Invictus]

seems they are not happy no matter what they do because they just want the players that will make them happy and the problem with that is lottery, if we tanked and didnt get bedard, fans are going to find ways to blame the organization for some crazy reason, even though they had the worst record and couldnt do nothing else.

i would say this, stop hating the management and hate the system.

There's a reason "the system" has brutalized the Flyers so severely and not the good teams.

It's Flyers management! You're defending losers. Do you like losing? Will you stop being a fan of the stop losing because they change management?