Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid: Flyers Rumors & Media Mentions

[Curufinwe]

They did say they were rebuilding and so far I have not seen any evidence of that.

Briere moved their #1, #3 and #6 players by total ice time last season, and tried to move #2.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Tanking and rebuilding are not the same thing.
They have not added anyone in FA on a long-term contract.

They have (2) 1sts, (2) 2nds (JOB #51 will be awarded in August), (2) 6th rd picks in the 2024 draft.
They moved out Hayes and TDA, traded Provorov, didn't reteain Lemieux or Bellows, added Poehling (24), cleared out other contractcs.
Staal is a one year deal, Walker is a one year deal, Seeler is on a one year deal, Hathaway is a tradeable commodity. Peterson is a salary dump.

Briere inherited Atkinson (2 years), Couts (7 years), Sanheim's 8 year deal, Risto's 4 years, he's not moving on from them overnight.

I don't think Briere is finished wheeling and dealing, the whole league hit the pause button (and the pending report may be one reason).
Hextall traded Coburn and Kimmon at the TDL, then basically took three years off until the Schenn trade. Signed Weise (4 years). Traded for Filppula.
Let's check back in a year or two.

You called the exact thing you're advocating for tanking in the past.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

Briere moved their #1, #3 and #6 players by total ice time last season, and tried to move #2.

Yeah I really don't understand people getting mad about not rebuilding after not even one full offseason when the signings and trades are clearly not meant to help in the here and now. Could they be more aggressive? Sure. But there is no need or no rush to trade everyone just to trade them. More moves will come and we'll get picks in drafts for years to come. This rebuild was never going to be completed in one offseason and one draft and the assets they have (barring injury) aren't going to all the sudden become worthless. Laughton, the Neck, Hart, etc. are known commodities with track records. Teams that are interested in them now will be interested at the TDL or next off-season.

It's really just a bizarre POV or argument to make that the team isn't rebuilding. They may not be rebuilding the way you want them to, and that's fine I'm not exactly thrilled either, but to act like they are somehow NOT rebuilding or planning for the future is ridiculous.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Yeah I really don't understand people getting mad about not rebuilding after not even one full offseason when the signings and trades are clearly not meant to help in the here and now. Could they be more aggressive? Sure. But there is no need or no rush to trade everyone just to trade them. More moves will come and we'll get picks in drafts for years to come. This rebuild was never going to be completed in one offseason and one draft and the assets they have (barring injury) aren't going to all the sudden become worthless. Laughton, the Neck, Hart, etc. are known commodities with track records. Teams that are interested in them now will be interested at the TDL or next off-season.

It's really just a bizarre POV or argument to make that the team isn't rebuilding. They may not be rebuilding the way you want them to, and that's fine I'm not exactly thrilled either, but to act like they are somehow NOT rebuilding or planning for the future is ridiculous.

They're doing the same exact thing that they've always done. Focusing on "culture" and throwing out the "malcontents." That's all they've done thus far. Until they offload a player that didn't clash with Tortorella or a player that wanted out they're just retooling like they always do.

 

[GapToothedWonder]

They said they would be incompetent, are incompetent. Why are they incompetent?

Was this direct at me or somebody on my Igor Silent list?

 

[FlyerNutter]

Was this direct at me or somebody on my Igor Silent list?

“They said they wouldn't tank, they're not tanking, why aren't they tanking?"

Option 2 I guess.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Moving TK now is not just about trying to get extra value if they decide to do so at the deadline. As you state the risk of injury, or a less productive season is also there.

The biggest reason to move TK now is to improve the draft position. The Flyers have 2 superstars in 30 years, and seem far too content to continue to trot out lineups largely carried by vanilla secondary talent.

I get the infatuation with working hard, and trying to have the Flyers rise above expectations based on a John Tortorella work ethic. I don’t agree with it, but I get it.

They are the most boring club in the NHL, and seem destined to pick 5-10th, and somehow believe they found their war horses in that range. It’s an asinine plan for a bottom of the barrel scouting/development group.

I’d love to be told how vastly different this is from the Hextall retool. Because they moved Provorov who wanted out anyway, and haven’t signed FAs?

They have done nothing to ensure a higher grade of talent is likely to befall them. They still don’t have the gall to properly rebuild.

Declaring Mission Accomplished because they got Michkov would be a disaster. My biggest reason for being open to trading TK is that right now (more like a month ago) is the time to build everything you can around MM, on the same timeline as him, to maximize your window. There are glaring holes that need filling.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Yeah I really don't understand people getting mad about not rebuilding after not even one full offseason when the signings and trades are clearly not meant to help in the here and now. Could they be more aggressive? Sure. But there is no need or no rush to trade everyone just to trade them. More moves will come and we'll get picks in drafts for years to come. This rebuild was never going to be completed in one offseason and one draft and the assets they have (barring injury) aren't going to all the sudden become worthless. Laughton, the Neck, Hart, etc. are known commodities with track records. Teams that are interested in them now will be interested at the TDL or next off-season.

It's really just a bizarre POV or argument to make that the team isn't rebuilding. They may not be rebuilding the way you want them to, and that's fine I'm not exactly thrilled either, but to act like they are somehow NOT rebuilding or planning for the future is ridiculous.

There are teams that commit to rebuilding, and teams that don’t.

I’ve seen one superstar on the team since I became a fan in the early 2000s. Have seen many exciting, and dominant players inserted into the league since that time.

The Flyers will happily draft fifth, and watch a team like Chicago come away with Bedard + Moore.

They aren’t rebuilding. It’s Hextall retool 2.0 .

I understand people wanting to give them a chance, but I’ve seen this song - and dance before. The most important thing should be building a highly talented young core, and putting themselves in the best spot to draft such a core. They continually refuse to do it. Not trying to find a magical deal for TK that gets them an extra 2nd rounder.

This team isn’t winning shit drafting 5-10 for a few years. I can’t bring myself to believe that. They don’t have the scouting or developmental staff to pull off such a strategy. We’ve seen that in proof continuously.

The infatuation with building a try hard team, that over relies on secondary depth - and effort is infused in their DNA. I’ll bet my ass it’s because of “the glory days”, and a certain alumni element having more of a chokehold on this organization than any other professional team I’ve seen.

I get catering to a portion of the fanbase that does spend money on seats. Not to belittle those people because it’s not fair for me to do so - but in another 10 years let’s say… They have done a masterful job to alienate a section of the fanbase that frankly imo detests that old school Flyer legacy.

They have ruined my generations team for their own egos. So be it.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Tanking and rebuilding are not the same thing.
They have not added anyone in FA on a long-term contract.

They have (2) 1sts, (2) 2nds (JOB #51 will be awarded in August), (2) 6th rd picks in the 2024 draft.
They moved out Hayes and TDA, traded Provorov, didn't reteain Lemieux or Bellows, added Poehling (24), cleared out other contractcs.
Staal is a one year deal, Walker is a one year deal, Seeler is on a one year deal, Hathaway is a tradeable commodity. Peterson is a salary dump.

Briere inherited Atkinson (2 years), Couts (7 years), Sanheim's 8 year deal, Risto's 4 years, he's not moving on from them overnight.

I don't think Briere is finished wheeling and dealing, the whole league hit the pause button (and the pending report may be one reason).
Hextall traded Coburn and Kimmon at the TDL, then basically took three years off until the Schenn trade. Signed Weise (4 years). Traded for Filppula.
Let's check back in a year or two.

They are the same thing.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Declaring Mission Accomplished because they got Michkov would be a disaster. My biggest reason for being open to trading TK is that right now (more like a month ago) is the time to build everything you can around MM, on the same timeline as him, to maximize your window. There are glaring holes that need filling.

Matvei while a pick Im excited about, and wanted is exactly the kind of move that’s going to give credit where it’s not due.

Say he’s off the board. That draft looks a whole lot different, and less promising.

I’m not giving them credit when they lucked into a player being there, instead of being a smart team - and putting themselves in a position to draft him without praying other teams pass him up.

 

[renberg]

Matvei while a pick Im excited about, and wanted is exactly the kind of move that’s going to give credit where it’s not due.

Say he’s off the board. That draft looks a whole lot different, and less promising.

I’m not giving them credit when they lucked into a player being there, instead of being a smart team - and putting themselves in a position to draft him without praying other teams pass him up.

Taking any team's early first round selection off of the board makes their draft look different and less promising. How do the Hawks look without Bedard? CBJ w/o Fantilli? ANA w/o Carlsson? You can't take MM off of the board. Other teams passed on him. The Flyers could have done it as well but took the bold step and nabbed him. My call is that MM is the second best player in the draft and if he plays in the NHL, it will be as a Flyer. Briere deserves credit for making the pick.

 

[GKJ]

The rumor is that there are deals on the table waiting for this announcement to come out.
Whether that is BS or not is another matter.

I am skeptical of the firesale I believe that Laughton would have been gone with the rumored offer that was turned down if this had been a fire sale. However, it was a rumor and it was light on specifics.

I think that’s passed now that the off-season has played out. A trade will have to wait for the deadline.

 

[Curufinwe]

They're doing the same exact thing that they've always done. Focusing on "culture" and throwing out the "malcontents." That's all they've done thus far. Until they offload a player that didn't clash with Tortorella or a player that wanted out they're just retooling like they always do.

Trading Provorov & Hayes and buying out DeAngelo is not the same as trading for Ristolainen, Ellis and DeAngelo.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Trading Provorov & Hayes and buying out DeAngelo is not the same as trading for Ristolainen, Ellis and DeAngelo.

Where did anyone say that it is?

But now that it’s brought up, it’s very similar to trading Voracek, Ghost, and Patrick and then they’re counting on Atkinson and Couturier to be their additions in this situation.

They’re operating the same exact way that they always do. Blaming “culture” for their short falls and doing things “the right way” will result in glory.

 

[tnfrs]

if briere came in and started shipping everyone out without getting reasonable returns he wouldnt last long as a GM, the fanbase is already torn on the moves hes made so far and everything he does is going to be held under a microscope and scrutinized. the only way you get better value back is if you have leverage and not being trigger happy now gives him a better bargaining posture later. a fire sale would just attract vultures to pick at our bones, thats my opinion anyways.

 

[Curufinwe]

"They're doing the same exact thing that they've always done."

"They’re operating the same exact way that they always do"

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

"They're doing the same exact thing that they've always done."

Which is blaming culture and by removing malcontents will fix everything.

Cool, they didn’t buy. Much success. Much praise.

 

[Curufinwe]

Trading your #1 dman for a 1st, two 2nds, a D prospect, a rental dman, and a cap dump goalie is clearly rebuilding.

 

[BringBackHakstol]

Yeah I really don't understand people getting mad about not rebuilding after not even one full offseason when the signings and trades are clearly not meant to help in the here and now. Could they be more aggressive? Sure. But there is no need or no rush to trade everyone just to trade them. More moves will come and we'll get picks in drafts for years to come. This rebuild was never going to be completed in one offseason and one draft and the assets they have (barring injury) aren't going to all the sudden become worthless. Laughton, the Neck, Hart, etc. are known commodities with track records. Teams that are interested in them now will be interested at the TDL or next off-season.

It's really just a bizarre POV or argument to make that the team isn't rebuilding. They may not be rebuilding the way you want them to, and that's fine I'm not exactly thrilled either, but to act like they are somehow NOT rebuilding or planning for the future is ridiculous.

Keep sticking your head in the sand. People have thoroughly and eloquently explained their stances on this issue ad nauseum here. Don't be dense.

Trading your #1 dman for a 1st, two 2nds, a D prospect, a rental dman, and a cap dump goalie is clearly rebuilding.

If the Flyers keep Konecny, Hart, and Laughton for the length of their contracts, how does that jive with a rebuild?

It's too early to say definitively, but folk's intuition that this is not a true rebuild has plenty of merit.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Keep sticking your head in the sand. People have thoroughly and eloquently explained their stances on this issue ad nauseum here. Don't be dense.

its really not worth trying to convince someon who thinks this is a new Era..

the same results will come, just like they always do with this Org.

"ok look we need to purge more new cancer from the lockerroom and rebuild the culture"

you can put that statement on basicly every years end of season presser

 

[BringBackHakstol]

if briere came in and started shipping everyone out without getting reasonable returns he wouldnt last long as a GM, the fanbase is already torn on the moves hes made so far and everything he does is going to be held under a microscope and scrutinized. the only way you get better value back is if you have leverage and not being trigger happy now gives him a better bargaining posture later. a fire sale would just attract vultures to pick at our bones, thats my opinion anyways.

Letting the fan's feelings drive your decision making process is losing before you even started. Do the right thing and build a winner. The fans will come in droves if this team is elite. No one is going to care they traded Hart 3 years prior.

 

[Beef Invictus]

"They're doing the same exact thing that they've always done."

"They’re operating the same exact way that they always do"

Yes, correct. You've got it.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Trading your #1 dman for a 1st, two 2nds, a D prospect, a rental dman, and a cap dump goalie is clearly rebuilding.

Doing it because you're rebuilding is rebuilding. Doing it because of culture reasons is not. In this situation there's the right way, the wrong way, and the Flyers way. They did the Provy situation the Flyers way from start to finish. This is bad.

 

[tnfrs]

Letting the fan's feelings drive your decision making process is losing before you even started. Do the right thing and build a winner. The fans will come in droves if this team is elite. No one is going to care they traded Hart 3 years prior.

ya sure, but it doesnt happen over 1 summer is what im saying. and im not suggesting hes letting the fans feelings influence anything lol im saying hes going to be more patient than most fans are

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Just a reminder that all most of us have been asking for is for the Flyers to move one single player that didn’t clash with Torts or have rumors of wanting out/caused a PR shitstorm to signal this being an actual rebuild.

Until that happens, yeah, I’m going to be very hesitant to believe what they’re selling. Especially when they’ve been pretty vocal about their three year timeline which in itself isn’t a rebuild.