Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid: Flyers Rumors & Media Mentions

[Curufinwe]

So if the Flyers trade Sanheim to the Jets, what would the return be? They also have 4 dmen with NTCs of some kind. But Brenden Dillon doesn't have one, and only has a year left at $3.9m.

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Pionk has 2 years left at $5.875m.
CLAUSE DETAILS: Beginning 2023-24: 6 team no trade list

Schmidt has 2 years left at $5.95m.
CLAUSE DETAILS: Player submits a 10 team no trade list.

The Jets don't have a 2nd in 2023 or 2024.

 

[landsbergfan]

We have reached the point where other teams players are preventing the team from making mistakes

 

[bennysflyers16]

You mean our Rookie GM and TV host president don't understand the CBA ???

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

[landsbergfan]

I think the case is that the Hurricanes extorted the Flyers to circumvent the cap. The Flyers get to make the argument to the league to convince them that they really were just that stupid.

It’s pretty obvious that it’s not actual circumvention, but it’s an easy enough fix to just wait two weeks for it to become official and avoid any slippery slopes

 

[Curufinwe]

It’s pretty obvious that it’s not actual circumvention, but it’s an easy enough fix to just wait two weeks for it to become official and avoid any slippery slopes

Right, but both teams would prefer this to be done before the draft and free agency.

 

[Rebels57]

Because you can only have three active salary retentions at one time. TDA is dogshit that no one wants (thanks Chuck). I would rather buy him out than use up one of the retention spots. Retention spots should be used for players who would otherwise have value if some salary was retained. TDA has no value either way.

They aren't using any of those 3 slots right now. They can spare one for TDA for one season.

 

[Rich Nixon]

They aren't using any of those 3 slots right now. They can spare one for TDA.

But they're already going to be using one on Hayes. If they need to use another to facilitate this Krug situation, then using the last on TDA is dumb given what they could do with it at the deadline.

 

[GKJ]

They aren't using any of those 3 slots right now. They can spare one for TDA.

They’re about to use one on Hayes

 

[Columbus Hockey Dad]

They aren't using any of those 3 slots right now. They can spare one for TDA.

If you use one for TDA, and also Hayes, you're down to one. The Hayes one we're stuck with for three years. This means we can only retain on one player at the deadline. It's stupid. The return from Carolina is dogshit and not worth it. Just buy him out and keep options open.

 

[Rebels57]

They’re about to use one on Hayes

That's fine too. That leaves 1 to take on some retention from another team like LA did to facilitate the Provorov trade. The odds of them doing that more than once, if it all, are slim. I don't think they'll need to retain on any asset they try to move at the deadline, but I could be wrong.

 

[landsbergfan]

If you use one for TDA, and also Hayes, you're down to one. The Hayes one we're stuck with for three years. This means we can only retain on one player at the deadline. It's stupid. The return from Carolina is dogshit and not worth it. Just buy him out and keep options open.

Im in agreement on this. The rumored return is not worth burning up a slot, though they can free up slots by taking bad contracts (Provorov trade)

 

[Beef Invictus]

I’m going to go here, even if it is just speculative somewhat…

This is why you don’t hire a coach that is so controversial, and such an asshole. There is no need for it. It’s sure as shit not looked at as a positive factor when anyone is looking at choosing Philadelphia for a destination. Anyone that doesn’t have to dumpster dive for a contract.

Spare me the stories that players like him because of boot licker Cam Atkinson. Who would be the happiest guy around if he had a chance to run back to Columbus.

It doesn’t really matter that much currently, but it’s such an asinine decision to strap yourself in to the John Tortorella ride face first.

Let me go play for a rebuilding team, with a guy who’s going to make life hell with his mind games.

Again, speculative - but is it really? It’s just an hurdle that they gave themselves as an org that isn’t necessary.

I don't think it's speculation at all. Sedlak got the f*** out. Krug wants no part of it. Hayes wants out. TDA wants out. Who knows what TK is thinking after he and his friend Sanheim both got f***ed with. Provorov was gone either way, but his take afterwards was that the Flyers play turgid hockey he's eager to get away from.

What player wants to come play shit, outdated hockey for a complete asshole? The guy depresses their production and harms their reputation and it can cost them millions on their next contract. Meanwhile they batter their bodies absorbing shitloads of blocked shots. It's not in any player's interest to come here. And the team adores this franchise -wrecking slob.

 

[landsbergfan]

Right, but both teams would prefer this to be done before the draft and free agency.

Okay…but it is done, just not official

 

[ponder719]

So if the Flyers trade Sanheim to the Jets, what would the return be? They also have 4 dmen with NTCs of some kind. But Brenden Dillon doesn't have one, and only has a year left at $3.9m.

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Pionk has 2 years left at $5.875m.
CLAUSE DETAILS: Beginning 2023-24: 6 team no trade list

Schmidt has 2 years left at $5.95m.
CLAUSE DETAILS: Player submits a 10 team no trade list.

The Jets don't have a 2nd in 2023 or 2024.

The Jets are trying to get Blake Wheeler to F off. Sanheim for Wheeler, #18, and a prospect, with a gentleman's agreement that we'll facilitate Wheeler to somewhere else or buy him out, might do it.

 

[GKJ]

That's fine too. That leaves 1 to take on some retention from another team like LA did to facilitate the Provorov trade. The odds of them doing that more than once, if it all, are slim. I don't think they'll need to retain on any asset they try to move at the deadline, but I could be wrong.

It’s not slim at all if you intend to be an active GM. Retain maximum flexibility. We don’t know who this team may still acquire.

 

[bennysflyers16]

The Jets are trying to get Blake Wheeler to F off. Sanheim for Wheeler, #18, and a prospect, with a gentleman's agreement that we'll facilitate Wheeler to somewhere else or buy him out, might do it.

That's the deal... Or Wheeler and Lambert.

We keep Wheelie for the year and flip him at deadline wherever he wants to go.

 

[Curufinwe]

Im in agreement on this. The rumored return is not worth burning up a slot, though they can free up slots by taking bad contracts (Provorov trade)

I think if you can find a taker for Tony Dickhead, you do it and move on. And Carolina don't have any bad contracts to take back.

That's the deal... Or Wheeler and Lambert.

We keep Wheelie for the year and flip him at deadline wherever he wants to go.

Danny boy would be a real wheeler dealer if he pulls that off.

 

[Columbus Hockey Dad]

The Jets are trying to get Blake Wheeler to F off. Sanheim for Wheeler, #18, and a prospect, with a gentleman's agreement that we'll facilitate Wheeler to somewhere else or buy him out, might do it.

And here is where you start to have problems with retention spots. If you acquire a guy like Wheeler with the intention to move him at the deadline, you'd need to retain salary. BUT, with only one spot left you'd have to choose whether to use it for Wheeler or Walker and you will lose value in a trade for one of them. You have to be strategic with these retention spots.

 

[ponder719]

I think if you an find a taker for Tony Dickhead, you do it and move on. And Carolina don't have any bad contracts to take back.

Buying him out, effective today, saves us $3.33M on next year's cap at a hit of $1.67M on the 24-25 cap, and preserves a retention slot. That gets rid of him, too.

 

[Curufinwe]

Buying him out, effective today, saves us $3.33M on next year's cap at a hit of $1.67M on the 24-25 cap, and preserves a retention slot. That gets rid of him, too.

I'm not opposed to that. But some kind of return for a guy who cost three picks would be nice.

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[deadhead]

And here is where you start to have problems with retention spots. If you acquire a guy like Wheeler with the intention to move him at the deadline, you'd need to retain salary. BUT, with only one spot left you'd have to choose whether to use it for Wheeler or Walker and you will lose value in a trade for one of them. You have to be strategic with these retention spots.

I don't think you'll need retention for Walker, $2.65M and if he rebounds (2nd year after ACL) he'll be a bargain at that price.
Solid defensive RHDs are gold at the TDL.

 

[ponder719]

I'm not opposed to that. But some kind of return for a guy who cost three picks would be nice.

I get that, but I don't think we're actually getting a return, the rumored names sound like a lottery ticket for a drawing where first prize is a free ticket. It's just a question of which mechanism we use to get rid of TDA.

 

[LegionOfGloom]

Do you even need to buyout DeAngelo? Can't we just terminate his contract, pay him the $5 million and tell him to get lost?

 

[Curufinwe]

I don't think you'll need retention for Walker, $2.65M and if he rebounds (2nd year after ACL) he'll be a bargain at that price.
Solid defensive RHDs are gold at the TDL.

Not very solid.

 

[deadhead]

If the return is Rizzo, he's a pretty promising bottom six candidate, high IQ, has scored at a high level in college though with talented linemates (but to play with Mazar as a sophomore says he's not a JAG) - a good depth piece. Need them too in a rebuild. Most of the picks after the 1st rd are only going to land you depth pieces at best - here's one that's actually proven.