Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid: Flyers Rumors & Media Mentions

[Hollywood Cannon]

I searched through the CBA as much as reasonably possible over lunch and I didn’t see any clause restricting the Flyers from trading TDA back to the Canes right now. There are clauses that apply to RFAs issued qualifying offers but that wasn’t the case with TDA. The No Circumvention section doesn’t include any language that would remotely apply to this situation. It’s more for situations where you try and do obviously ridiculous things like trading your backup goalie and diminutive but speedy third-line center for future considerations in order to avoid exposing them to a waiver draft then get them back a few days letter for the bargain cost of a late-round draft pick. It would stretch credulity to suggest the Flyers would benefit in this whole series of transactions. The Canes would obviously benefit but that’s only because they were negotiating with Chuck Fletcher, not because they did something unsavory (I would accept the argument that it was unfair for them to take advantage of the Flyers with Fletcher at the helm).

In other words, it would be nice if LeBrun would elaborate or report that he inquired about what specific language in the CBA would prevent a trade of TDA back to NC now, because it’s not clear. Again, it’s not like it violates the spirit of restrictions on circumventing the CBA.

It's not allowed because the Hurricanes are the ones that would benefit from it not the Flyers.

A team trades a player to another organization who then signs him to a new contract and then sends him back to the original team with money retained. That's the issue.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

It's not allowed because the Hurricanes are the ones that would benefit from it not the Flyers.

A team trades a player to another organization who then signs him to a new contract and then sends him back to the original team with money retained. That's the issue.

At the end of the day it doesn't seem like there really is an issue. Just have to wait a week or two (or trade him elsewhere).

 

[chadateit]

Has every last glimmer of optimism (from the faint light) that came with the Provorov trade officially gone away now? Can I get back to the absolute hopeless, miserable dread that being a fan of this team has been for the last 5 or 6 years?

 

[deadhead]

Friedman just said on Marek show that the ask for Laughton and Konecny are very high, but teams are interested.

Also mentioned that yesterday was a travel day and for talks to likely heat up again now that everyone is together.

A couple drinks over dinner . . . .

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

At the end of the day it doesn't seem like there really is an issue. Just have to wait a week or two (or trade him elsewhere).

There isn't much of an issue if the Hurricanes still want to do it at that point. However they can easily find someone else in UFA or another opportunity could present itself that they like more.

There's also the matter of the buyout window ending on June 30th.

 

[ponder719]

Maybe because without the Sanheim component, they are not raping the Flyers so no need to rush into it.

Hayes is a dump
Krug is a longer dump

If we end up retaining on Hayes AND take a longer dump back AND get nothing for that retention, it's an awful trade to do.

Hayes for Krug makes sense, then, given this team's status as an ongoing dump.

 

[renberg]

The Canes must see something in TDA that we missed here last season. To get him at $1.5 is a deal at $2.5, if I were them I'd pass. He's a mess on and off of the ice. Maybe Rod B. has some magic extractor that brings things out in him that no one else can. Who knows.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Friedman just said on Marek show that the ask for Laughton and Konecny are very high, but teams are interested.

Also mentioned that yesterday was a travel day and for talks to likely heat up again now that everyone is together.

Can’t wait for the next failed trade to leak out.

 

[ponder719]

The Canes must see something in TDA that we missed here last season. To get him at $1.5 is a deal at $2.5, if I were them I'd pass. He's a mess on and off of the ice. Maybe Rod B. has some magic extractor that brings things out in him that no one else can. Who knows.

Can't imagine why TDA would fit in on a team self-styled as a "Bunch of Jerks."

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

There isn't much of an issue if the Hurricanes still want to do it at that point. However they can easily find someone else in UFA or another opportunity could present itself that they like more.

There's also the matter of the buyout window ending on June 30th.

Cross that bridge when we get to it. For one, unless something has changed since this morning which I missed (which certainly is possible), it sounds like the NHL hasn't officially vetoed the trade and they are still trying to talk to both sides to see what the scoop is. And while it is entirely possible that the Canes could find a replacement for TDA between now and then that also seems pretty unlikely. If that were in the mix I would imagine the Canes would have waited until July to make the trade anyway. Why would they rush to trade something (anything) for TDA if they could get something without giving up an asset. Certainly possible but it seems like if they want TDA they won't have an issue waiting. Would be weird for the Canes to want to trade for him right now but not next week. Absolute worst case scenario here for the Flyers is they don't get the what is surely to be minimal return from the Canes this week and have to look for another trade partner which they may or may not find until the deadline or not at all, at which point again the downside is not getting an additional pick or crappy prospect. It would absolutely be preferable to have the trade go through, but I'm not sweating it if it doesn't. The Hayes deal? That's a bigger issue if that isn't going to be completed.

 

[Striiker]

Consider me officially unbuckled and unstrapped.

I don’t get if I get thrown off the ride.

 

[ajgoal]

I'll have to dig into this later. At first read, I don't see anything in the CBA that would prevent this.

 

[Tripod]

The Canes must see something in TDA that we missed here last season. To get him at $1.5 is a deal at $2.5, if I were them I'd pass. He's a mess on and off of the ice. Maybe Rod B. has some magic extractor that brings things out in him that no one else can. Who knows.

Because they are smart.

They know he will be a 3rd pairing guy to help their PP. They know he will be a UFA so has something to play for. They have seen his good and bad in their system. They know he can work.

Going to pay 3.5 million for 2 years of ADA
Collect 3 picks too

Meanwhile....

gave up 3 picks
Going to pay him 7.5 million for 1 year of ADA

Wonnder why one team is good and the other is not.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I'll have to dig into this later. At first read, I don't see anything in the CBA that would prevent this.

I’m sure it’s there and it’s a good rule.

At it’s very base it prevents a team from trading a player to another team and having them sign the player to an extension only to send him back to the original team with retention.

The only issue here is the minutiae between a deal being made now and then a week from now.

 

[BillDineen]

Provorov, Hayes, TDA, Sanheim. Coach doesn't like them, sell low.

TK, Laughton, Seeler. Can't sell high. Their juju injects character into the walls of the room that never leaves.

 

[Flybynite]

Because they are smart.

They know he will be a 3rd pairing guy to help their PP. They know he will be a UFA so has something to play for. They have seen his good and bad in their system. They know he can work.

Going to pay 3.5 million for 2 years of ADA
Collect 3 picks too

Meanwhile....

gave up 3 picks
Going to pay him 7.5 million for 1 year of ADA

Wonnder why one team is good and the other is not.

Yea... I mean how stupid does the NHL have to be to think it could be a 'circumventing the cap scenario'

The Flyers gave up a SECOND, THIRD, and FOURTH and are paying half his god damn salary in order to get a fringe ass prospect from Carolina.

What NHL teams are lining up to help someone CIRCUMVENT THE CAP for that kind of return?

 

[landsbergfan]

I'll have to dig into this later. At first read, I don't see anything in the CBA that would prevent this.

I haven’t attempted to find it in the CBA but capfriendlys interpretation of it states the following.

Once a retained salary transcation has occurred, there are various limitations, such as:

• A team cannot reacquire a player whom they have retained salary from for a minimum of one year after the date of the transaction, or unless the player's contract expires or is terminated prior to the one-year date.

FWIW the CBA has a similar clause regarding buying out a player and then signing him to a new contract. That didn’t stop the Caps from resigning Brooks Orpik years ago. They traded him to the Avs so the Avs could buy him out and then signed him a month later

(Though now that I read through this I can see how the language sounds different)

 

[deadhead]

Provorov, Hayes, TDA, Sanheim. Coach doesn't like them, sell low.

TK, Laughton, Seeler. Can't sell high. Their juju injects character into the walls of the room that never leaves.

Provorov was not "sold low."
Hayes has limited value with that contract.
TDA has no value with that contract.
Sanheim is discounted due to that contract.

2nd and/3rd for Hayes and 50% and Scandella is fine.
Late 1st for Sanheim is fine (he's not better than Skjei who was younger and cheaper)
Anything for TDA is great.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Provorov was not "sold low."
Hayes has limited value with that contract.
TDA has no value with that contract.
Sanheim is discounted due to that contract.

2nd and/3rd for Hayes and 50% and Scandella is fine.
Late 1st for Sanheim is fine (he's not better than Skjei who was younger and cheaper)
Anything for TDA is great.

You're making it sound like Fletcher made numerous mistakes.

 

[BernieParent]

Hayes for Krug makes sense, then, given this team's status as an ongoing dump.

There has to be a sweetener for the extra year of Krug's contract, at the very least. 1st and more than just a warm body for retained Hayes and taking back all of Krug's contract, since the Flyers would likely have to retain on him to flip for additional assets.

 

[TheKingPin]

It’s funny as shit to me to hear so much about TDA, Hayes, and Sanheim - but Laughton/TK stories all but dead.

The path to a successful rebuild lies in trading the latter two, but it’s not about maximizing assets during this time.

It’s catering to a head coach, and his wishes for perfecting the “culture”.

I’m with you. I could see TK being tough to get done bc you need someone to pay a lot to get him. Laughton should be highly targeted by contenders.

 

[Rebels57]

It’s not slim at all if you intend to be an active GM. Retain maximum flexibility. We don’t know who this team may still acquire.

Fair enough. I just want DeAngelo gone and don't care how at this point lol.

 

[Rebels57]

It’s funny as shit to me to hear so much about TDA, Hayes, and Sanheim - but Laughton/TK stories all but dead.

The path to a successful rebuild lies in trading the latter two, but it’s not about maximizing assets during this time.

It’s catering to a head coach, and his wishes for perfecting the “culture”.

Both of them will still have trade value beyond this offseason thankfully. I'd prefer to trade both to maximize our chances at drafting 1st overall next summer, but if they don't get fair offers now they shouldn't trade them yet.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Interesting that we have heard zilch about Frost. We know Tortorella isn't a fan, but he must be someone the rest of management holds firm in keeping.

 

[Columbus Hockey Dad]

Interesting that we have heard zilch about Frost. We know Tortorella isn't a fan, but he must be someone the rest of management holds firm in keeping.

I would doubt we hear much about the RFA's until July...