Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid: Flyers Rumors & Media Mentions

[BrindamoursNose]

32 Thoughts:

- Marek reiterates LeBrun's circumvention story on DeAngelo. Doesn't think the league is going to look the other way.

Circumvention story on TDA? Did I miss that or is that new info? What circumvention?

SOS

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

32 Thoughts:

- Friedman thinks Hayes will end up a Blue no matter what. Question is what is going along with Hayes.

- We wanted to keep Sanheim's name quiet, but that got out. It was initially our goal to keep him. Some teams kicked the tires on him, but St. Louis got really interested. St. Louis likes the idea of pairing Sanheim with Parayko.

- Have heard anything on Krug waiving his NTC from "Hard no" to a "It is a no for now." Friedman believes it was initially our goal to keep Krug, not flip him. Some Flyers have tried to talk Krug into it. John LeClair had the same agent as Krug, so we have tried to get at him that way.

- Marek reiterates LeBrun's circumvention story on DeAngelo. Doesn't think the league is going to look the other way.

I was told on good authority that Parayko and Leddy were their top pair and Sanheim wouldn’t be.

Oops.

 

[Redpath]

Circumvention story on TDA? Did I miss that or is that new info? What circumvention?

SOS

The league is considering the DeAngelo trade to be technical cap circumvention because he played for the Hurricanes less than 12 months ago, and now the Hurricanes would be re-acquiring him on a retained salary. The trade might have to wait until July.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

The league is considering the DeAngelo trade to be technical cap circumvention because he played for the Hurricanes less than 12 months ago, and now the Hurricanes would be re-acquiring him on a retained salary. The trade might have to wait until July.

Gracias!

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Circumvention story on TDA? Did I miss that or is that new info? What circumvention?

SOS

But my understanding is that the NHL took issue with DeAngelo going back to Carolina within a year of his trade from the Hurricanes. There’s language in the CBA about a player returning within 12 months, especially on a retained salary, as being possible circumvention.

I believe both the Flyers and Hurricaneshave argued with the league about this, saying: 1) His contract wasn’t even signed with Carolina; it was Philadelphia that signed him last summer to a two-year, $10 million deal. And 2) Chuck Fletcher was the GM who traded for DeAngelo and signed him, and he’s no longer there — so how could any of this be a circumvention?

 

[Adam Warlock]

This is so embarassing for the Flyers lol. Between Krug not wanting to come here and the TDA thing...looks really bad.

Briere might regret taking thr job. Team is the laughing stock of the league.

 

[JABEE]

Imagine wasting so much effort to embarrassingly lose two Tony DeAngelo trades with the same team in a 12 month span. Also, if you want to try to weasel around rules with the league do it for an important move, not with this garbage

 

[deadhead]

This is so embarassing for the Flyers lol. Between Krug not wanting to come here and the TDA thing...looks really bad.

Briere might regret taking thr job. Team is the laughing stock of the league.

Why? Krug is a 32 year old veteran, why would he want to go to a rebuilding team?

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

The Flyers are such a shitshow.

 

[renberg]

32 Thoughts:

- Friedman thinks Hayes will end up a Blue no matter what. Question is what is going along with Hayes.

- We wanted to keep Sanheim's name quiet, but that got out. It was initially our goal to keep him. Some teams kicked the tires on him, and St. Louis got really interested. St. Louis likes the idea of pairing Sanheim with Parayko.

- Have heard anything on Krug waiving his NTC from "Hard no" to a "It is a no for now." Friedman believes it was initially our goal to keep Krug, not flip him. Some Flyers have tried to talk Krug into it. John LeClair had the same agent as Krug, so we have tried to get at him that way.

- Marek reiterates LeBrun's circumvention story on DeAngelo. Doesn't think the league is going to look the other way.

The Blues have been wanting one of Provorov or Sanheim for a while. With Provorov off of the Flyers, Sanheim became their target. It could be that they wanted a Sanheim for Krug and a first rounder deal which Krug messed up with his NTC. I realize that first rounder picks are valuable but the late late first rounders shouldn't be viewed as outstanding assets. Krug isn't that good and is carrying a contract that costs and has term. I'd keep Sanheim and walk away. Do the Hayes/Retention and be done with it.
An aside here is that there are so many clubs that are handing out NTC and NMC clauses that it's getting to be a problem in making deals. Clubs need to wise up about that and be prudent about giving them to players.

 

[VladDrag]

This is so embarassing for the Flyers lol. Between Krug not wanting to come here and the TDA thing...looks really bad.

Briere might regret taking thr job. Team is the laughing stock of the league.

I think the Krug thing sucks a lot. It's not as bad as a Sedlak wanting to leave lots of money on the table and go home mid season. Certainly from the NHLPA standpiont, they look like a terrible option.

I'm not sure the TDA thing really hurts their reputation....but it certainly is not helping it!

 

[FlyerNutter]

It’s a good thing they have John Tortorella to help sway guys on coming to Philly.

Always nice when you don’t have to sidestep who your HC is.

Hayes, TDA, Sanheim. Assistant GM is doing well influencing what his lineup will be.

 

[AndHeMissedTheNet]

This is so embarassing for the Flyers lol. Between Krug not wanting to come here and the TDA thing...looks really bad.

Briere might regret taking thr job. Team is the laughing stock of the league.

I'm not really sure how someone could be surprised by any of this though.

 

[GKJ]

If there’s any question as to whether or not Krug will buy in to rebuilding with Torts, it seems you are getting the answer you need. It’s a lot easier for guys who are already here to do that.

 

[Columbus Hockey Dad]

So how much time are they going to waste trying to get Krug to change his mind or trying to find somewhere to move him? Unless this is the only team who will take Hayes, it's time to move on...

 

[JABEE]

Flyers interested in Michov.
Hayes deal imminent.
Jets and Flyers looking to do more

 

[FlyerNutter]

I’m going to go here, even if it is just speculative somewhat…

This is why you don’t hire a coach that is so controversial, and such an asshole. There is no need for it. It’s sure as shit not looked at as a positive factor when anyone is looking at choosing Philadelphia for a destination. Anyone that doesn’t have to dumpster dive for a contract.

Spare me the stories that players like him because of boot licker Cam Atkinson. Who would be the happiest guy around if he had a chance to run back to Columbus.

It doesn’t really matter that much currently, but it’s such an asinine decision to strap yourself in to the John Tortorella ride face first.

Let me go play for a rebuilding team, with a guy who’s going to make life hell with his mind games.

Again, speculative - but is it really? It’s just an hurdle that they gave themselves as an org that isn’t necessary.

 

[renberg]

So how much time are they going to waste trying to get Krug to change his mind or trying to find somewhere to move him? Unless this is the only team who will take Hayes, it's time to move on...

Krug had a horrible season last year. Also injured and couldn't answer the bell in the POs. He may not like it but the Blues wanted to get out from under his deal for several reasons. Tough to be a salary dump. Frankly, i don't see why the Flyers would want him except to offset giving money to the Blues in the Hayes part of the deal.

 

[04hockey]

trades and rebuilds aren't gonna happen overnight

 

[Larry44]

I'm not really sure how someone could be surprised by any of this though.

I'm surprised that Briere, Jones, LeClair and Sharp, with their vast experience and detailed knowledge of the CBA, didn't pick up on it.

That said, is the league suggesting that the Flyers paid the Canes several valuable draft picks for the rights to stash TDA for a year as a favour to the Canes, so they can't trade him back yet?

 

[dragonoffrost]

I'm surprised that Briere, Jones, LeClair and Sharp, with their vast experience and detailed knowledge of the CBA, didn't pick up on it.

That said, is the league suggesting that the Flyers paid the Canes several valuable draft picks for the rights to stash TDA for a year as a favour to the Canes, so they can't trade him back yet?

For statement one... This is why you have people who specialize in the CBA so you can ask them how does X, Y, Z work under the cap.

For statement two... The league is looking hard at anything that could even remotely be considered cap circumvention. They don't like how teams have played with LTIR and then miraculously the player returns game one of the playoffs or close to it.

 

[GKJ]

I'm surprised that Briere, Jones, LeClair and Sharp, with their vast experience and detailed knowledge of the CBA, didn't pick up on it.

That said, is the league suggesting that the Flyers paid the Canes several valuable draft picks for the rights to stash TDA for a year as a favour to the Canes, so they can't trade him back yet?

I think the case is that the Hurricanes extorted the Flyers to circumvent the cap. The Flyers get to make the argument to the league to convince them that they really were just that stupid.

 

[Columbus Hockey Dad]

I think the case is that the Hurricanes extorted the Flyers to circumvent the cap. The Flyers get to make the argument to the league to convince them that they really were just that stupid.

They should just buy him out. Save the retention spot. Call it a day. It's not worth the embarrassment of trading him back to Carolina for pennies and using a retention spot.

 

[Adam Warlock]

Why? Krug is a 32 year old veteran, why would he want to go to a rebuilding team?

Being a rebuilding team after 10 years of awful management is embarassing.

 

[GKJ]

They should just buy him out. Save the retention spot. Call it a day. It's not worth the embarrassment of trading him back to Carolina for pennies and using a retention spot.

They should, you’re right.

As for the embarrassment, that’s not Briere’s problem, which is also what they’re arguing.