Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid: Flyers Rumors & Media Mentions

[TheKingPin]

Why does it matter? It is one year of retention in a year that we don't need cap space. I think we are able to retain on three at a time. Hayes is a no-brainer, then TDA, then we still have another spot if we need to retain on someone else (like perhaps Krug if that deal goes through).

Teams will always make the same dumb mistakes. Why waste a retention slot for a nothing return? We could find a retention for a 2024 1st I bet.

Angelo is persona non grata around these parts. Just like Hayes.

Mostly bc of torts. There are many non ideal parts that companies deal with to make money. Let alone the many illegal things they do. Suck it up and do what’s best for the long term.

 

[Curufinwe]

For those who responded to me re Sanheim and the scratching in Calgary, thank you.

I haven't been following NHL news as much this summer, so I was just curious if further information came out regarding the relationship between Torts and Sanheim.

1:52 to 3:25 is the interesting part. Sanheim says he doesn't know why he was scratched, talks about about how much it hurt him, but also claims it's in the past now and that they've moved on.



Narrator: they hadn't

Especially because he refuses to come here

If the move is to flip him to Boston, then I could see Briere retaining on him.

Angelo - 1 year at 50%
Hayes - 3 years at 50%
Krug - 4 years at 50%

 

[VladDrag]

But the downside of doing a Provorov-type retention deal is that it ties up the retention slot for years. We are already losing a retention slot on Hayes for years, too. Obviously these types of trades should be considered, but there is also value in quick turnaround on retaining (for lack of a better word) our retention slots in order to maximize how many can be performed.

You don't have to only retain on players with long-term deals. They could be a to-be UFA that needs retention at the deadline, and might be able to pick up a 2,3rd or 4th round pick simply by retaining for a few months.

With that being said, my personal view is you don't box yourself into a corner unless the deal is worth it. I don't mind retaining for TDA because it' a 1 year deal, but I would like something a little better back than a D level prospect.

Again, I am not going all the way back to read up, but was there suggestion that the Flyers would also retain on Sanheim?

 

[Curufinwe]

I haven't seen anything about retaining on Sanheim.

 

[renberg]

As far as I’m concerned, there’s nothing to be gained with the Blues aside from dumping Hayes with a retention. Keep Sanheim out of the deal and move him elsewhere if necessary.
Krug is junk. It wouldn’t surprise me if it was his agent who leaked the deal to keep it so that he could get him moved to a team of his choice. Now he’s finding out that no one wants him on that deal including the club that gave it to him. Tough to be on the outside looking in.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

f***ing delusional

yup... told ya they wouldnt have the stomach for a proper rebuild... move 2 or 3 peices..

ok back to normal...

 

[Columbus Hockey Dad]

As far as I’m concerned, there’s nothing to be gained with the Blues aside from dumping Hayes with a retention. Keep Sanheim out of the deal and move him elsewhere if necessary.
Krug is junk. It wouldn’t surprise me if it was his agent who leaked the deal to keep it so that he could get him moved to a team of his choice. Now he’s finding out that no one wants him on that deal including the club that gave it to him. Tough to be on the outside looking in.

Exactly. I would much rather work with Winnipeg for their 18th pick.

 

[GKJ]

But the downside of doing a Provorov-type retention deal is that it ties up the retention slot for years. We are already losing a retention slot on Hayes for years, too. Obviously these types of trades should be considered, but there is also value in quick turnaround on retaining (for lack of a better word) our retention slots in order to maximize how many can be performed.



Yes, it does have a limiting factor in that we can only take on a cap dump versus brokering a retention. (Assuming we actually hit the 3-limit threshold). But an asset from a cap dump, and quick turnaround with regaining DeAngelo's retention slot, has value too that needs to be factored in. (Versus having the retention slot lost for seasons)



Are we going to have that much cap space? Gagner, Lehtera, and Filppula, were an easy ~$15 million when we weren't even trying to rebuild and truly weaponize cap space.

Yes. You think we’re going to spend to the cap in dumped salary that having <$2m of it tied up in TDA is an actual problem? When teams are already going to be less incentivized to dump?

 

[Redpath]

You don't have to only retain on players with long-term deals. They could be a to-be UFA that needs retention at the deadline, and might be able to pick up a 2,3rd or 4th round pick simply by retaining for a few months.

With that being said, my personal view is you don't box yourself into a corner unless the deal is worth it. I don't mind retaining for TDA because it' a 1 year deal, but I would like something a little better back than a D level prospect.

Again, I am not going all the way back to read up, but was there suggestion that the Flyers would also retain on Sanheim?

You're right, retaining someone's expiring deal is possible too. But that is essentially the same benefit of what we are doing with DeAngelo now. We can retain someone else's contract for a 3rd round pick...or we can use DeAngelo's freed cap to take on someone else's cap dump for a 3rd round pick.

I don't understand the hangup on the D Level prospect. I'm viewing it strictly as a cap move. And this doesn't even touch the other considerations (Getting a questionable player off the team, freeing a roster spot, etc.)

Yes. You think we’re going to spend to the cap in dumped salary that having <$2m of it tied up in TDA is an actual problem? When teams are already going to be less incentivized to dump?

Do I think that? No, probably not.

Is that $2million in flexibility better than the alternative of not having it? Yes, obviously.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

so when nothing goes your way, it's always the flyers fault not the other teams?

Hurr durr?

DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

 

[Rich Nixon]

f***ing delusional

In his defense, having listened to it, the hosts were pushing "Are we gonna hafta wait until like 2028 to care about this team again?" and he kind of bullshitted them with "no, it could be sooner...you'll have to see." And when the interview ended the hosts even agreed he was probably just saying that because he can't say "No, we're gonna suck for a long time." Just doing his job as President of Hockey Operations and Narrative Pushing.

For context, they asked him if the team preferred young NHL players or picks when making these trades and he did not hesitate to say "Picks."

 

[Danko]

Jones is right about draft capital. That's exactly what they need.

The tony deal is whatever, if they need to wait til July 8th to trade him thats fine.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

 

[Striiker]

Hurr durr?

DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

Hey is that my Robert Hagg skating gif???

 

[GKJ]

You're right, retaining someone's expiring deal is possible too. But that is essentially the same benefit of what we are doing with DeAngelo now. We can retain someone else's contract for a 3rd round pick...or we can use DeAngelo's freed cap to take on someone else's cap dump for a 3rd round pick.

I don't understand the hangup on the D Level prospect. I'm viewing it strictly as a cap move. And this doesn't even touch the other considerations (Getting a questionable player off the team, freeing a roster spot, etc.)



Do I think that? No, probably not.

Is that $2million in flexibility better than the alternative of not having it? Yes, obviously.

The number of players you would have to take on to get to that number is more than the number of retained salary slots you have. The buyout penalty is a non-factor.

 

[Fight4yourRight]

Hey is that my Robert Hagg skating gif???

Jim Jackson would definitely feel an attraction.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

Teams will always make the same dumb mistakes. Why waste a retention slot for a nothing return? We could find a retention for a 2024 1st I bet.

This is what I am not grasping...we have another one. If we get a draft pick for TDA we can still use the third one.

 

[Danko]

You could potentially have 8-9 of the phantoms on the roster this year, so your gonna see some ahl level deals.

Foerster
Brink
Desnoyers
Laczynski
Zamula
Ginning
Attard
Ersson

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Hey is that my Robert Hagg skating gif???

No, that's my Arizona dunce f*** gorilla gif.

 

[Rich Nixon]

This is what I am not grasping...we have another one. If we get a draft pick for TDA we can still use the third one.

And then we'd have no more until next season, meaning no opportunity to scrape resources for free at the deadline. The calculation is whether you can get more for a retained DeAngelo than you could get with that retainment slot at the deadline. Seems pretty obvious based on reports that they should just buy him out.

 

[Striiker]

No, that's my Arizona dunce f*** gorilla gif.

Thief

 

[BiggE]

Just trade everyone with value over the age of 22 and start over. f*** it, give me Nic D on the top line and pp1 next season, Seeler playing 25+ minutes per game and Petersen starting 60 or more.

Ice a lineup that would embarrass the 74-75 Kansas City Scouts for the next 2 years and land a couple of top 3 picks. Doing the same old half ass retool will just lead to another decade of mediocrity.

For a guy his size, Briere was fearless on the ice; now he needs to be the same in the front office. If Torts don’t like it, he can quit. If Jones or Hilferty can’t grasp the need to burn it down and start over, then force them to fire you, Danny.

We’ve suffered long enough.

 

[Redpath]

32 Thoughts:

- Friedman thinks Hayes will end up a Blue no matter what. Question is what is going along with Hayes.

- We wanted to keep Sanheim's name quiet, but that got out. It was initially our goal to keep him. Some teams kicked the tires on him, and St. Louis got really interested. St. Louis likes the idea of pairing Sanheim with Parayko.

- Have heard anything on Krug waiving his NTC from "Hard no" to a "It is a no for now." Friedman believes it was initially our goal to keep Krug, not flip him. Some Flyers have tried to talk Krug into it. John LeClair had the same agent as Krug, so we have tried to get at him that way.

- Marek reiterates LeBrun's circumvention story on DeAngelo. Doesn't think the league is going to look the other way.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

I have a solid feeling that we're going to trade a lot of guys & sign vets who "play the right way" to re-establish a locker room.

It's a real thing to need to get the right culture, but I just hope they don't sign 3 more Deslauriers for 4 years per.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Just trade everyone with value over the age of 22 and start over. f*** it, give me Nic D on the top line and pp1 next season, Seeler playing 25+ minutes per game and Petersen starting 60 or more.

Ice a lineup that would embarrass the 74-75 Kansas City Scouts for the next 2 years and land a couple of top 3 picks. Doing the same old half ass retool will just lead to another decade of mediocrity.

For a guy his size, Briere was fearless on the ice; now he needs to be the same in the front office. If Torts don’t like it, he can quit. If Jones or Hilferty can’t grasp the need to burn it down and start over, then force them to fire you, Danny.

We’ve suffered long enough.

That's what I'm talking about. Fully embrace the Ronnie Attard Era. A nut-emptying megatank.