Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid: Flyers Rumors & Media Mentions

[deadhead]

The problem is that this fan base is stupid. Deadhead is much closer to the average Flyers fan than the majority of posters here. I'd say 80% of Flyers immediately bought into Briere and Jones because they care about restoring the "Flyers Way".


If they can't show objectivity in giving a job, how can they be objective in evaluating the job being done?

I'd say the majority of this board is stupid, buying into conspiracy theories.
Yeah, they're leaking b/c of some crazy scheme to market the team. Geez, do you people actually believe this crap?
So the Kings are leaking news about the Dubois trade b/c they want to drum up interest?

Trades are tough in a flat cap environment, I think part of dumping TDA and Hayes is freeing up cap room for a second wave of deals this summer.
I mean Trotz gave away Johansen just to free up $4M for two years.
So to get value out of Hayes, I'm sure Briere will both retain and take on a bad contract like Scandella.

Sanheim for Krug doesn't make sense, so there must have been other moving parts.
To move Krug to a third party, Briere will probably have to take back another bad contract.
Which makes this all very complex.

There are three days left until the draft starts, deals will be made.

 

[Beef Invictus]

so when nothing goes your way, it's always the flyers fault not the other teams?

Rofl what

 

[Beef Invictus]

Has there been any reason as to why Sanheim would be moved?

Tortorella doesn't like him. They learned zilch from the AV experience.

He's one of the guys maliciously benched in front of friends and family after he used his own money to buy them tickets to see him.

 

[deadhead]

I guess I should have rephrased the question:

Is there any other reason apart from his contract why Sanheim's name has been in trade rumors?

The reason I asked is that I skimmed some of the last few pages and I thought I saw something about him not being a Torts guy. Was curious if some type of information came out about his relationship with Torts.

Think it's simple, he's 27 when the new contract kicks in, he'll be 31 or so when they're competitive again.
Once the NTC kicks in, he'll be difficult to move.
He won't be that hard to replace, it's much easier to find mobile, 2nd pair LHDs than RHDs.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Think it's simple, he's 27 when the new contract kicks in, he'll be 31 or so when they're competitive again.
Once the NTC kicks in, he'll be difficult to move.
He won't be that hard to replace, it's much easier to find mobile, 2nd pair LHDs than RHDs.

This is rich considering this Flyers management group has been trying and failing to replace Ghost since moving him. And Niskanen. And Gudas.

 

[LegionOfGloom]

I guess I should have rephrased the question:

Is there any other reason apart from his contract why Sanheim's name has been in trade rumors?

The reason I asked is that I skimmed some of the last few pages and I thought I saw something about him not being a Torts guy. Was curious if some type of information came out about his relationship with Torts.

Tort benched him in his hometown to be a dick. So normal Torts-player relationship.

 

[BillDineen]

Basically chuck was so incompetent, the league thinks they are circumventing the cap because his moves made no sense?

 

[JABEE]

Flyers are going through all this work to circumvent league rules to get a bottom tier center prospect from Carolina along with losing a retention slot.

 

[LegionOfGloom]

Flyers are going through all this work to circumvent league rules to get a bottom tier center prospect from Carolina along with losing a retention slot.

Yep, makes no sense. Just cut the guy.

 

[GKJ]

Only reason not to buy out is they actually like the prospect

 

[Beef Invictus]

Only reason not to buy out is they actually like the prospect

He could be a bigboi

 

[Pet Charles]

LeBrun's understanding is that the DeAngelo deal is being held up because him getting traded back to his old team, on a retained salary, within 12 months, might technically qualify as circumvention under the CBA. There will be talks with the league this week, but the trade might not happen until July

Because of course. Fletcher is really the gift that keeps on giving, like gonorrhea.

Ok, so take another shot after July 7.

 

[TCTC]

I guess I should have rephrased the question:

Is there any other reason apart from his contract why Sanheim's name has been in trade rumors?

The reason I asked is that I skimmed some of the last few pages and I thought I saw something about him not being a Torts guy. Was curious if some type of information came out about his relationship with Torts.

He'll be out of his prime when the Flyers are good again. If you can get a decent return for him now, you pull the trigger. Otherwise that contract is going to be an anchor.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

If they can't show objectivity in giving a job, how can they be objective in evaluating the job being done?

Like most things, it isn't black and white. It absolutely looks like they are doing what they have always done, don't get me wrong. BUT that doesn't mean they are doing it or that it is per se bad for the organization. I don't know exactly what these roles do (I believe Sharp and LeClair are special advisors or the GM or something) but it is likely just kind of like having another set of eyes in the room. For these types of positions, I don't really think that there is a ton of qualification needed, and if you had a bigger or better front office resume, you wouldn't be hired as a special advisor to the GM you'd be getting a more involved position.

The question is what type of insight LeClair and Sharp will bring...old school "Flyers hockey" from the good old days, or will they be more open to the current NHL. That's really the only issue. You aren't getting a legendary GM or coach or whomever to be a special advisor to the GM. The guys you are going to get are going to be guys like LeClair and Sharp...people who know and have been around hockey. In all likelihood, these roles would be filled with similar people to LeClair or Sharp if they looked externally (e.g., random players from the 90s/00s). Again, if that's not the case and they are just forming a new version of Clarke-Barber-Homer then yeah we're f***ed, and they don't deserve the benefit of the doubt because of the organization's track record, but I am still holding out hope that this is not the cas.e

 

[Redpath]

Or we can wash our hands clean of DeAngelo now without a buyout staying on our books for an extra year.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

They’re gonna end up buying out DeAngelo. Thanks Chuck & John.

 

[GKJ]

Or we can wash our hands clean of DeAngelo now without a buyout staying on our books for an extra year.

That’s not possible.

 

[TheKingPin]

LeBrun's understanding is that the DeAngelo deal is being held up because him getting traded back to his old team, on a retained salary, within 12 months, might technically qualify as circumvention under the CBA. There will be talks with the league this week, but the trade might not happen until July

When your moves are so illogical, they get flagged for cap circumvention. Thanks, Chuck!

 

[Columbus Hockey Dad]

Yep, makes no sense. Just cut the guy.

I think in this case I'd rather buy the guy out and save the retention spot...

 

[deadhead]

Like most things, it isn't black and white. It absolutely looks like they are doing what they have always done, don't get me wrong. BUT that doesn't mean they are doing it or that it is per se bad for the organization. I don't know exactly what these roles do (I believe Sharp and LeClair are special advisors or the GM or something) but it is likely just kind of like having another set of eyes in the room. For these types of positions, I don't really think that there is a ton of qualification needed, and if you had a bigger or better front office resume, you wouldn't be hired as a special advisor to the GM you'd be getting a more involved position.

The question is what type of insight LeClair and Sharp will bring...old school "Flyers hockey" from the good old days, or will they be more open to the current NHL. That's really the only issue. You aren't getting a legendary GM or coach or whomever to be a special advisor to the GM. The guys you are going to get are going to be guys like LeClair and Sharp...people who know and have been around hockey. In all likelihood, these roles would be filled with similar people to LeClair or Sharp if they looked externally (e.g., random players from the 90s/00s). Again, if that's not the case and they are just forming a new version of Clarke-Barber-Homer then yeah we're f***ed, and they don't deserve the benefit of the doubt because of the organization's track record, but I am still holding out hope that this is not the cas.e

These kinds of hires serve a number of purposes:
1) gives ex-players hands on experience with the management side, Sakic was a special advisor for two years before taking over Colorado
2) gives the team a chance to evaluate these players and see if they have a future in management
3) provides current players and prospect with a chance to interact with experienced veterans who worked their way up the ladder (and kiss the ring)
4) provides marketing opportunities for the team using well liked former players

Note, neither Sharp or LeClair are in positions where they have any influence outside of personal persuasion, that is, no formal role other than working with young players, so any impact they have would be a reflection of respect they've earned.

 

[BiggE]

New regime
Same b.s.

 

[Curufinwe]

I guess I should have rephrased the question:

Is there any other reason apart from his contract why Sanheim's name has been in trade rumors?

The reason I asked is that I skimmed some of the last few pages and I thought I saw something about him not being a Torts guy. Was curious if some type of information came out about his relationship with Torts.

There's the fact he was scratched for the game in Calgary and was never given an explanation for why.

RyJo got traded 50% retained for nothing. I have a hard time believing Hayes at 50% retained gets you a first…

From LeBrun's article:


When the Predators made it known that they would eat 50 percent of Ryan Johansen’s remaining contract, they actually had a few teams nibbling over the past two to three weeks.

That culminated in the 30-year-old center being shipped to Colorado on Saturday, but it’s a deal that again hammers home the point of how difficult it is to move money in Year 3 of a more or less frozen cap environment.

Think back to Max Pacioretty going to Carolina for free last summer in a trade, or more recently the Kings’ three-team trade to get Cal Petersen’s contract off the books. It’s been crazy hard to move money.

“There’s no money in the system, ” Predators general manager Barry Trotz told The Athletic over the phone Sunday afternoon. “So I wanted to make sure I got money in the system”

 

[Flyerfan4life]

The cronyarchy is on meth steroids. Great hire everyone. Fold the team.

imagine thinking anything in this Org. has changed...

 

[Redpath]

That’s not possible.

It's the cleanest way possible, short of someone trading for him at full salary or with better retention.

 

[AndHeMissedTheNet]

I'm sorry but the fact that some of you guys are arguing over using a salary retention slot for TDA vs. using a buyout for TDA is kinda embarrassing. He is not worth this amount of discourse. The trade Fletch made for him was the worst of his entire tenure as GM, which says a lot, and the sooner they wash their hands of him, the better. The return ultimately doesn't matter; you're not recouping anywhere close to the sort of value that you gave up for him anyway.

And no, i have no reason to believe he would fetch more at the deadline. Not when he'd likely be healthy scratch for whatever amount of time he'd still be on the Flyers.